Pepsi90919
Lifer
it said 'nerve' when i read it. i was going to say nerve=courage.
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REFUSAL TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE!
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it said 'nerve' when i read it. i was going to say nerve=courage.
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
thank you, my lord they say i dont read their damn posts....
I totally understood that you just want her to stand but you STILL haven't realized that is going against the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. You love this country so much but you need to understand the Constitution FIRST.
Zenmervolt
Elite member
READ OUR POSTS before you pop-off like that. Forcing her to stand is just as much an infringement on her freedom as is making her say the pledge. You cannot force respect, attempting to force respect only generates resent. I don't care if it's "just standing up", it's still feedom of speech. Any infringement on that is a dangerous precident that sets us down the slippery slope towards fascism.Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
ZV
Big fricken deal. I don't say the pledge. Yes, I stand up, but I wouldn't feel bad about sitting down while it was being recited. Its nothing more than a silly poem, and I get no nationalk "pride" out of sayin it or hearing. I can respect the thousands of men and women who died for our country in ways more profound than saying a few lines that I may or may not agree with.
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
thank you, my lord they say i dont read their damn posts....
I totally understood that you just want her to stand but you STILL haven't realized that is going against the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. You love this country so much but you need to understand the Constitution FIRST.
When did common decency get a place in the Constitution? She has the right to do whatever she wants. You have the right to take the flag and use it to wash your car. It's simply a matter of respect and personal decency.
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: gopunk
it's just a piece of cloth
jesus christ, i can't believe some people get so worked up and pissed off just because somebody won't stand up
it's great that you have a national sense of pride, but it is NOT your place to force your pride onto others. leave her alone or GTFOH. i can't think of anything more un-american than forcing people to do things.
just a piece of cloth?? why dont you GTFOH you ignorant prick
haha this is rich, you're calling me ignorant? you're calling me a prick? who's the one that thinks citizens should be required to stand up for the flag? nazi.
it IS just a piece of cloth, you fool. you exemplify the dangers of nationalism. a piece of cloth has now been elevated to a higher status than personal freedom.
Originally posted by: gopunk
it's just a piece of cloth
jesus christ, i can't believe some people get so worked up and pissed off just because somebody won't stand up
it's great that you have a national sense of pride, but it is NOT your place to force your pride onto others. leave her alone or GTFOH. i can't think of anything more un-american than forcing people to do things.
I have to disagree with you there...so much history and pride is in that piece of "cloth". What you just said was very disrespectful since I am going to school to become an officer in the military. I will be fighting for you freedoms that you just seem to take for granted. I am actually taking nicks side now since so many people aren't showing the proper respect for anything anymore. In high school I have seen many people who refuse to stand for the pledge. It does make me mad, yet they could at least show some kind of respect by standing and not talking during it or making funny jokes. Stuff like this just pisses me off....
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
thank you, my lord they say i dont read their damn posts....
I totally understood that you just want her to stand but you STILL haven't realized that is going against the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. You love this country so much but you need to understand the Constitution FIRST.
When did common decency get a place in the Constitution? She has the right to do whatever she wants. You have the right to take the flag and use it to wash your car. It's simply a matter of respect and personal decency.
Respect has nothing to do with this.
He wants the person to stand. If you understand the Constitution then you would know this would violate it if they are forced to. No one has any idea why the girl doesn't stand so you can't comment on personal decency or respect.
Zenmervolt
Elite member
Look, I agree with your feelings. It would really burn me too, but if I start forcing people to "respect" something that I love, then I become infinitely worse than the person I am forcing.
ZV
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
Once again do you still feel they should be required to stand? If so you have learned NOTHING!!!!
It does not BURN me up because I have no idea why the person doesn't stand. On top of that, it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS WHY SOMEONE DOESN'T STAND!!!!!
It is their personal freedom so sit. It makes me happy that we have the freedom to do so. I am so happy there aren't more people you around.
nick1985
Lifer
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
i am not going to join the military as of now. i got accepted to a college where i get a scholarship to run, etc. if the time comes, hell yeah, ill be the first one to sign up
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