You're going to have to choose your loyalty here. To your country, or to your country's Ideals. I choose the ideas, and am therefore forced to defend her right to sit. Just for referrence, the Supreme Court has repeatedly shot down mandated Pledges.
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
i am not going to join the military as of now. i got accepted to a college where i get a scholarship to run, etc. if the time comes, hell yeah, ill be the first one to sign up
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
it's just a piece of cloth
jesus christ, i can't believe some people get so worked up and pissed off just because somebody won't stand up
it's great that you have a national sense of pride, but it is NOT your place to force your pride onto others. leave her alone or GTFOH. i can't think of anything more un-american than forcing people to do things.
I have to disagree with you there...so much history and pride is in that piece of "cloth". What you just said was very disrespectful since I am going to school to become an officer in the military. I will be fighting for you freedoms that you just seem to take for granted. I am actually taking nicks side now since so many people aren't showing the proper respect for anything anymore. In high school I have seen many people who refuse to stand for the pledge. It does make me mad, yet they could at least show some kind of respect by standing and not talking during it or making funny jokes. Stuff like this just pisses me off....
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
i am not going to join the military as of now. i got accepted to a college where i get a scholarship to run, etc. if the time comes, hell yeah, ill be the first one to sign up
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
READ OUR POSTS before you pop-off like that. Forcing her to stand is just as much an infringement on her freedom as is making her say the pledge. You cannot force respect, attempting to force respect only generates resent. I don't care if it's "just standing up", it's still feedom of speech. Any infringement on that is a dangerous precident that sets us down the slippery slope towards fascism.Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
ZV
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
READ OUR POSTS before you pop-off like that. Forcing her to stand is just as much an infringement on her freedom as is making her say the pledge. You cannot force respect, attempting to force respect only generates resent. I don't care if it's "just standing up", it's still feedom of speech. Any infringement on that is a dangerous precident that sets us down the slippery slope towards fascism.Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
ZV
Nobody is forcing her to stand up. We're saying that it's disrepectful for her to not at least honor those who died defending her rights. It is a personal matter, and nick has every right to be disgusted with her conduct as she has every right to sit down. You people need to sto pyelling 'Unconstitutional' when it doesn't even apply.
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
READ OUR POSTS before you pop-off like that. Forcing her to stand is just as much an infringement on her freedom as is making her say the pledge. You cannot force respect, attempting to force respect only generates resent. I don't care if it's "just standing up", it's still feedom of speech. Any infringement on that is a dangerous precident that sets us down the slippery slope towards fascism.Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
ZV
Nobody is forcing her to stand up. We're saying that it's disrepectful for her to not at least honor those who died defending her rights. It is a personal matter, and nick has every right to be disgusted with her conduct as she has every right to sit down. You people need to sto pyelling 'Unconstitutional' when it doesn't even apply.
You're going to have to choose your loyalty here. To your country, or to your country's Ideals. I choose the ideas, and am therefore forced to defend her right to sit. Just for referrence, the Supreme Court has repeatedly shot down mandated Pledges.
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
great, another nazi.
i don't know whether i will ever serve, i can't see that far into the future.
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
great, another nazi.
i don't know whether i will ever serve, i can't see that far into the future.
You are so friggin ignorant. Did you even read my earlier post? By calling someone a Nazi or by cursing around do you think you will accomplish anything?
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
great, another nazi.
i don't know whether i will ever serve, i can't see that far into the future.
You are so friggin ignorant. Did you even read my earlier post? By calling someone a Nazi or by cursing around do you think you will accomplish anything?
uh yea, i did read your post.
and no, i don't expect to accomplish anything through any of my actions on AT. this is just a timewaster for me.
Through the whole thread you've said that she should be forced to stand.
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MacBaine
Hey... people. Stop ripping this guy a new one. None of you seem to be able to read... he doesn't want to force her to say the pledge, he's saying that it's disrespectful for her to not at least stand up. Yeah, you aren't going to be able to force anybody to do anyhting, that's why our country is great. But disrespecting the flag is also disrepsecting all those who died to give her the right not to say the pledge. It's disrespecting those who die every day in the service of our country.
Jeeze.. you guys need to slow down and read a little.
he said she needs to stand or GTFOH. that means he believes that citizens should be required to stand.
I agree with what totally with what MacBaine said. Gopunk, are you ever going to serve in the military or fight for your freedoms?
great, another nazi.
i don't know whether i will ever serve, i can't see that far into the future.
You are so friggin ignorant. Did you even read my earlier post? By calling someone a Nazi or by cursing around do you think you will accomplish anything?
ok, i see what you mean. i misread, i thought you said you totally agree with what nick1985 said, regarding citizens being forced to stand. my apologies.
and no, i don't expect to accomplish anything through any of my actions on AT. this is just a timewaster for me.
