Recount in Ohio A Sure Thing

[Votingisanillusion]

Voter Fraud in Florida and Ohio:
Kerry Won the Election by at least 1,7 Million Votes
by Brad Menfil

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303775.shtml 27 Nov 2004
www.globalresearch.ca 3 December 2004

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

Brad Menfil is not my real name. I work for the RNC. I fear reprisals if I'm found out.

The truth about this election is this: Florida and Ohio had to go for Bush in order for him to "win" the election. In reality he lost both states. In fact, he did not even win the popular vote. He lost the national popular vote by at least 1,750,000. This shows you the scale of the fraud.

The exit polls were not wrong. Kerry was the clear winner, but victory was snatched from him.

Florida first. The 200,000+ margin of victory for Bush made this state uncontestable. Everybody assumes that even with some fraud, Kerry could never have made up the difference in a recount. But Kerry actually won by about 750,000 votes. The numbers were changed by a computer program (in both electronic and scan-tron voting systems) called "KerryLite." "KerryLite" of course is not actual name of the program. The actual name is 11-5-18-18 etc. For additional encryption, the numbers were jumbled but I'm not sure in which order. The numbers replace the letters of the alphabet. For example, K is the eleventh letter of the alphabet.

So the if-then statement goes something like this: "if total true Kerry>total true Bush, Bush x 1.04x (.04 is a random number)(total true Kerry), total true Bush". The second part of the equation takes the total number of votes cast and subtracts the new Bush total, subtracts the third party totals and leaves the rest for Kerry.

Sometimes the program would also reduce third party votes and award them to Bush. And even where Bush legitimately won, he was still awarded additional votes. The big Democratic counties (Broward for example) went to Kerry because it had to appear that everything was on the up and up. It's interesting to see this unfold. Does anybody wonder why the Republican counties were mostly counted after the Democratic counties? You should wonder, and also know that this was no accident. The Bush team had to make up the votes as the night went on.

In Ohio, computer voting fraud, vote tossing and voter suppression were the main methods. Vote tossing was simply the removal of Kerry votes and some third party votes. In some areas, the Bush vs. Kerry votes were absurd. Nine to one, eight to two.

Voter suppression took the form of making voters stand in four hour long lines. This of course took place in Democratic areas. The simplest thing to do was to have too few voting machines. Sometimes that's all it takes. People eventually lose patience and leave without casting a vote.

In other states such as New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa and New Hampshire, Kerry's leads evaporated very quickly once the polls were shut down. Kerry only won New Hampshire, but barely. As it turned out, the lead was 6% for Kerry in that state and not enough fraudulent activity took place to flip the state to Bush.

So this will all come out and be known to everyone. Nothing this massive can be kept a secret. You're already beginning to see these "irregularities" and the whisper will become a roar.

 

[yllus]

Brad Menfil is not my real name. I work for the RNC. I fear reprisals if I'm found out.

lol

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: yllus

Brad Menfil is not my real name. I work for the RNC. I fear reprisals if I'm found out.

lol

Why are you meddling in our election, Sully? Did you cross the border and vote for Bush?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: burnedout
Final Ohio Ballot Count Assures Bush Victory - Channel 5, Cincinnati

In related news, no instances of voter fraud noted - The Akron Beacon Journal.

but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

CsG

?

Bush's vote total was reduced by 19,000 when the first count was finally completed. What effect will a recount have on vote totals? How will Ohio ever count the 30% of votes with no paper trail? Do you think maybe the fix was in? Or do rigged elections only happen in the Ukraine?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BBond
Why are you meddling in our election, Sully? Did you cross the border and vote for Bush?

I don't require anyone's permission to comment on whatever I want, whenever I want. I also haven't jumped to the laughable conclusion that posting on an Internet forum constitutes meddling in an election. :roll:

Why do you feel the need to censor what others think? Moreover, why do you feel the need to worry about losing the rest of the world's confidence and opinion of the U.S., but then ask us to keep quiet when the opinion is contrary to your own?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

LMAO! This is really a kick. Aren't we supposed to take an anonymous reply post by Brad Menfil (not his real name) on an Internet forum seriously?

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Voter Fraud in Florida and Ohio:
Kerry Won the Election by at least 1,7 Million Votes
by Brad Menfil

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303775.shtml 27 Nov 2004
www.globalresearch.ca 3 December 2004

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

Let's um... keep it real. While I'm pretty much certain the election WAS stolen, this "Brad Menfil" sounds full of sh!t to me, and is probably writing this crap just to distract attention from the real issues and bring something more debunkable to the table.

This part especially sounds like a load of crap to me:

The numbers were changed by a computer program (in both electronic and scan-tron voting systems) called "KerryLite." "KerryLite" of course is not actual name of the program. The actual name is 11-5-18-18 etc. For additional encryption, the numbers were jumbled but I'm not sure in which order. The numbers replace the letters of the alphabet. For example, K is the eleventh letter of the alphabet.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond
Why are you meddling in our election, Sully? Did you cross the border and vote for Bush?

I don't require anyone's permission to comment on whatever I want, whenever I want. I also haven't jumped to the laughable conclusion that posting on an Internet forum constitutes meddling in an election. :roll:

Why do you feel the need to censor what others think? Moreover, why do you feel the need to worry about losing the rest of the world's confidence and opinion of the U.S., but then ask us to keep quiet when the opinion is contrary to your own?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

LMAO! This is really a kick. Aren't we supposed to take an anonymous reply post by Brad Menfil (not his real name) on an Internet forum seriously?

No, we're supposed to take an anonymous post on an internet forum by you seriously.

LMFAO

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond
Why are you meddling in our election, Sully? Did you cross the border and vote for Bush?

I don't require anyone's permission to comment on whatever I want, whenever I want. I also haven't jumped to the laughable conclusion that posting on an Internet forum constitutes meddling in an election. :roll:

Why do you feel the need to censor what others think? Moreover, why do you feel the need to worry about losing the rest of the world's confidence and opinion of the U.S., but then ask us to keep quiet when the opinion is contrary to your own?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

LMAO! This is really a kick. Aren't we supposed to take an anonymous reply post by Brad Menfil (not his real name) on an Internet forum seriously?

No, we're supposed to take an anonymous post on an internet forum by you seriously.

LMFAO

As is your habit, you come back with some peripheral personal attack as a pathetic reply to a real question. I am not making posts alleging things that point to gross violations of the law that affect the highest level of government of America - I merely discuss a given topic. As is your habit, you've experienced some difficulty in putting together a coherent post.

Do you believe the claims of Mr. Menfil, BBond? It would not surprise me.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Voter Fraud in Florida and Ohio:
Kerry Won the Election by at least 1,7 Million Votes
by Brad Menfil

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303775.shtml 27 Nov 2004
www.globalresearch.ca 3 December 2004

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

Let's um... keep it real. While I'm pretty much certain the election WAS stolen, this "Brad Menfil" sounds full of sh!t to me, and is probably writing this crap just to distract attention from the real issues and bring something more debunkable to the table.

This part especially sounds like a load of crap to me:

The numbers were changed by a computer program (in both electronic and scan-tron voting systems) called "KerryLite." "KerryLite" of course is not actual name of the program. The actual name is 11-5-18-18 etc. For additional encryption, the numbers were jumbled but I'm not sure in which order. The numbers replace the letters of the alphabet. For example, K is the eleventh letter of the alphabet.

<-Thud, fell off chair, slips into coma.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond
Why are you meddling in our election, Sully? Did you cross the border and vote for Bush?

I don't require anyone's permission to comment on whatever I want, whenever I want. I also haven't jumped to the laughable conclusion that posting on an Internet forum constitutes meddling in an election. :roll:

Why do you feel the need to censor what others think? Moreover, why do you feel the need to worry about losing the rest of the world's confidence and opinion of the U.S., but then ask us to keep quiet when the opinion is contrary to your own?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

LMAO! This is really a kick. Aren't we supposed to take an anonymous reply post by Brad Menfil (not his real name) on an Internet forum seriously?

No, we're supposed to take an anonymous post on an internet forum by you seriously.

LMFAO

As is your habit, you come back with some peripheral personal attack as a pathetic reply to a real question. I am not making posts alleging things that point to gross violations of the law that affect the highest level of government of America - I merely discuss a given topic. As is your habit, you've experienced some difficulty in putting together a coherent post.

Do you believe the claims of Mr. Menfil, BBond? It would not surprise me.

No, I believe you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: burnedout
Final Ohio Ballot Count Assures Bush Victory - Channel 5, Cincinnati

In related news, no instances of voter fraud noted - The Akron Beacon Journal.

but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

CsG

?

Bush's vote total was reduced by 19,000 when the first count was finally completed. What effect will a recount have on vote totals? How will Ohio ever count the 30% of votes with no paper trail? Do you think maybe the fix was in? Or do rigged elections only happen in the Ukraine?

yeah, after those provisional ballots AND absentee ballots were counted his LEAD was reduced but is STILL up over 100K. Keep trying though. Someday reality might hit you.

CsG

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BBond
No, I believe you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

*pets you reassuringly* You don't have the intellectual capacity to understand reason, my friend. But please do continue to amuse us.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond
Why are you meddling in our election, Sully? Did you cross the border and vote for Bush?

I don't require anyone's permission to comment on whatever I want, whenever I want. I also haven't jumped to the laughable conclusion that posting on an Internet forum constitutes meddling in an election. :roll:

Why do you feel the need to censor what others think? Moreover, why do you feel the need to worry about losing the rest of the world's confidence and opinion of the U.S., but then ask us to keep quiet when the opinion is contrary to your own?

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
but but but BOBDN ..er Bbond said....and linked joe's blog who said...

LMAO! This is really a kick. Aren't we supposed to take an anonymous reply post by Brad Menfil (not his real name) on an Internet forum seriously?

:beer:
It's hilarious to see joe's or dede's blog get linked to for this sort of stuff. I mean not only is it just some whinefest someone posted on their blog - that whinefest gets posted here by an anonymous member who acts suspiciously like a certain permabanned member.

Meh - I say they keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

CsG

 

[BBond]

Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Funny that no one is calling the people of the Ukraine kooks for demanding a new election due to voting irregularities.

If the voting irregularities in this election aren't faced and fixed we will continue to suffer from the same problems. The GAO is investigating this election. The problems have nothing to do with the vagueries of human involvement. These problems were planned. Electronic voting systems without back up. Voting software easily susceptible to hacking. Not enough voting machines at polling places. Voters blocked from voting at their polling place. Counting done behind locked doors without any observers. And always in heavily Democratic, inner city, or poor neighborhoods. You should really stop to consider that if nothing is done to correct voting irregularities in America, our democracy hangs in the balance.

This "BOBDN" you keep calling me. Is that a symptom of a psychosis? My name is Bill Bond. It's in my profile. I live in New Jersey. I'm not anonymous. I'm not "BOBDN". I'm Bill Bond. I don't know anyone named "BOBDN".

You're Martin Shaw from Iowa. There are several people here whose ideas you seem to agree with consistently. By your specious logic should I assume you are one of them?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Whilst I agree that some of these Menfil-like stories are in the tinfoil-hat category, the fact that the HJC and the GAO are investigating the events of Ohio is not. We won't have a new election, I agree as well, but a recount is imminent.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Whilst I agree that some of these Menfil-like stories are in the tinfoil-hat category, the fact that the HJC and the GAO are investigating the events of Ohio is not. We won't have a new election, I agree as well, but a recount is imminent.

I can't understand how people who claim to value democracy and freedom are opposed to fixing an obviously broken electoral system. This nation has the technological expertise to hold a fair election, I'm sure. We have two years before the next federal elections and four years before the next presidential election. Let's get rid of the unreliable, unfair system we have cobbled together and replace it with one that provides equal rights for all voters at the ballot box. We need one system for all voters. Not touch screen here, punch card there, etc.

Voting can't be fair and unbiased when you have tens of thousands of precincts handling elections as though they are all separate entities. We need a system that guarantees each vote is counted in the same manner. We can't have legitimacy in our electoral process without it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Funny that no one is calling the people of the Ukraine kooks for demanding a new election due to voting irregularities.

If the voting irregularities in this election aren't faced and fixed we will continue to suffer from the same problems. The GAO is investigating this election. The problems have nothing to do with the vagueries of human involvement. These problems were planned. Electronic voting systems without back up. Voting software easily susceptible to hacking. Not enough voting machines at polling places. Voters blocked from voting at their polling place. Counting done behind locked doors without any observers. And always in heavily Democratic, inner city, or poor neighborhoods. You should really stop to consider that if nothing is done to correct voting irregularities in America, our democracy hangs in the balance.

This "BOBDN" you keep calling me. Is that a symptom of a psychosis? My name is Bill Bond. It's in my profile. I live in New Jersey. I'm not anonymous. I'm not "BOBDN". I'm Bill Bond. I don't know anyone named "BOBDN".

You're Martin Shaw from Iowa. There are several people here whose ideas you seem to agree with consistently. By your specious logic should I assume you are one of them?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ukraine wasn't "irregularites" - it was fraud.
Keep trying to bleat your conspiracy theories if you want but anyone living in reality knows that neither this Election nor the last was "stolen".
I never said nothing should be done, infact I have always supported paper backups for electronic voting but that doesn't mean your conspiracy BS holds any weight. Infact I think there are manythings that should be fixed in our voting system - but that doesn't mean the election was fraudulent or "fixed".
Voters should have to show ID when voting to prevent fraud - something your side doesn't seem to support.
Sameday voter registration shouldn't be allowed - it invites fraud.
Plus there are many other things that need fixed so people like ACT can't screw with things.
Meh, that's just a few of the problems that exist and I feel need to be fixed but I don't go around whining about "stolen" elections.


One last question "bill" - is George W. Bush your President?

CsG

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Whilst I agree that some of these Menfil-like stories are in the tinfoil-hat category, the fact that the HJC and the GAO are investigating the events of Ohio is not. We won't have a new election, I agree as well, but a recount is imminent.

I can't understand how people who claim to value democracy and freedom are opposed to fixing an obviously broken electoral system. This nation has the technological expertise to hold a fair election, I'm sure. We have two years before the next federal elections and four years before the next presidential election. Let's get rid of the unreliable, unfair system we have cobbled together and replace it with one that provides equal rights for all voters at the ballot box. We need one system for all voters. Not touch screen here, punch card there, etc.

Voting can't be fair and unbiased when you have tens of thousands of precincts handling elections as though they are all separate entities. We need a system that guarantees each vote is counted in the same manner. We can't have legitimacy in our electoral process without it.

I agree 100% with that.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Funny that no one is calling the people of the Ukraine kooks for demanding a new election due to voting irregularities.

If the voting irregularities in this election aren't faced and fixed we will continue to suffer from the same problems. The GAO is investigating this election. The problems have nothing to do with the vagueries of human involvement. These problems were planned. Electronic voting systems without back up. Voting software easily susceptible to hacking. Not enough voting machines at polling places. Voters blocked from voting at their polling place. Counting done behind locked doors without any observers. And always in heavily Democratic, inner city, or poor neighborhoods. You should really stop to consider that if nothing is done to correct voting irregularities in America, our democracy hangs in the balance.

This "BOBDN" you keep calling me. Is that a symptom of a psychosis? My name is Bill Bond. It's in my profile. I live in New Jersey. I'm not anonymous. I'm not "BOBDN". I'm Bill Bond. I don't know anyone named "BOBDN".

You're Martin Shaw from Iowa. There are several people here whose ideas you seem to agree with consistently. By your specious logic should I assume you are one of them?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ukraine wasn't "irregularites" - it was fraud.
Keep trying to bleat your conspiracy theories if you want but anyone living in reality knows that neither this Election nor the last was "stolen".
I never said nothing should be done, infact I have always supported paper backups for electronic voting but that doesn't mean your conspiracy BS holds any weight. Infact I think there are manythings that should be fixed in our voting system - but that doesn't mean the election was fraudulent or "fixed".
Voters should have to show ID when voting to prevent fraud - something your side doesn't seem to support.
Sameday voter registration shouldn't be allowed - it invites fraud.
Plus there are many other things that need fixed so people like ACT can't screw with things.
Meh, that's just a few of the problems that exist and I feel need to be fixed but I don't go around whining about "stolen" elections.


One last question "bill" - is George W. Bush your President?

CsG

ACT eh? How about the RNC paid group that went through Ohio, Oregon, Nevada etc registerinig voters and tearing up the Dem ones? But anyway....

Exactly how do you KNOW it was fraud in the Ukraine? The exit polls!! Oh that's right!!! I forgot!! Duh, Bush says exit polls = bad in the U.S., Bush says exit polls = good in the Ukraine.

So, if you're going to use exit polls as a basis for fraud, then Bush committed fraud of epic proportions, because 41 out of 50 states had its exit polls move toward Bush, the odds of that are infintessimal. The odds of 16 of those 41 states moving BEYOND THE MARGIN OF ERROR ALL TOWARDS BUSH is 1 in 13 trillion (reported 200 trillion, but that's been revised). That's 1 in 13 TRILLION... that's 1 in 13,000,000,000,000. So, either Bush is the luckiest man in the history of the universe or he's a fraud.

Do you have any clue how hypocritical it is to say that there was fraud in the Ukraine based solely on the exit polling and then piss on those in the U.S. saying the same thing with even MORE evidence to back up their claims? How do you explain over 99.999% of all glitches, overvotes, undervotes, etc all favoring Bush? How can you?

These "irregularities" can't be explained with "You lost! Get over it!" stupidity, plain and simple.

If you truly felt that you had nothing to worry about, you wouldn't even object to a full hand recount of every state in the country. But since you and others on this forum are up-in-arms about this, then there's a large portion of yourself that acknowledges that Bush could've and would've done what we and hundreds of thousands of others are claiming.

The MSM is starting to pick up on the story, the GAO and House Judiciary Committee is doing an official investigation. The Glibs (Green and Lib parties) are working TOGETHER to get Ohio recounted. Why would they possibly do that? They have no possible agenda there. The SoS of Ohio has been dragging his feet, kicking and screaming, delaying and delaying getting Ohio certified (which could've been done at least two weeks ago). Why would he do that? Eh?

The CEO of Diebold GUARANTEED to bring Ohio's 20 electoral votes to Bush. GUARANTEED! How could he possibly make such a statement? Oh that's right, he runs the machines that count and take the votes. But that's tinfoil hate stuff. That couldn't possibly be true. Well, it is and an "apology" for that statement is on the Diebold website.

There's a video of a Diebold meeting in Texas admitting they rig the machines.

Link

They even mention... "That the results are going to differ from the exit polls. Is everyone ok with that? Yes, that's how we did it last time."

Hmmmm... no reason to wonder at all eh? Puhleeeeease.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Funny that no one is calling the people of the Ukraine kooks for demanding a new election due to voting irregularities.

If the voting irregularities in this election aren't faced and fixed we will continue to suffer from the same problems. The GAO is investigating this election. The problems have nothing to do with the vagueries of human involvement. These problems were planned. Electronic voting systems without back up. Voting software easily susceptible to hacking. Not enough voting machines at polling places. Voters blocked from voting at their polling place. Counting done behind locked doors without any observers. And always in heavily Democratic, inner city, or poor neighborhoods. You should really stop to consider that if nothing is done to correct voting irregularities in America, our democracy hangs in the balance.

This "BOBDN" you keep calling me. Is that a symptom of a psychosis? My name is Bill Bond. It's in my profile. I live in New Jersey. I'm not anonymous. I'm not "BOBDN". I'm Bill Bond. I don't know anyone named "BOBDN".

You're Martin Shaw from Iowa. There are several people here whose ideas you seem to agree with consistently. By your specious logic should I assume you are one of them?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ukraine wasn't "irregularites" - it was fraud.
Keep trying to bleat your conspiracy theories if you want but anyone living in reality knows that neither this Election nor the last was "stolen".
I never said nothing should be done, infact I have always supported paper backups for electronic voting but that doesn't mean your conspiracy BS holds any weight. Infact I think there are manythings that should be fixed in our voting system - but that doesn't mean the election was fraudulent or "fixed".
Voters should have to show ID when voting to prevent fraud - something your side doesn't seem to support.
Sameday voter registration shouldn't be allowed - it invites fraud.
Plus there are many other things that need fixed so people like ACT can't screw with things.
Meh, that's just a few of the problems that exist and I feel need to be fixed but I don't go around whining about "stolen" elections.


One last question "bill" - is George W. Bush your President?

CsG

Irregualarities equal fraud. Don't be ridiculous.

Voter registration should be handled like California and some other states handle it. When you get your driver license you are registered to vote.

The 2000 election was most definitely stolen. The winner, with over 500,000 more votes than the loser, lost because the loser went to the Supreme Court and got them to stop counting votes in Florida, get this, because Florida used differing methods to count votes. :roll:

It would seem, from the 70% of results which can be verified, that George W. Bush will be inaugrated president.

And that's Bill with a capital "B". I don't disrespect you. Don't disrespect me.

On second thought, my friends call me Bill. You can call me William.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28


ACT eh? How about the RNC paid group that went through Ohio, Oregon, Nevada etc registerinig voters and tearing up the Dem ones? But anyway....

Exactly how do you KNOW it was fraud in the Ukraine? The exit polls!! Oh that's right!!! I forgot!! Duh, Bush says exit polls = bad in the U.S., Bush says exit polls = good in the Ukraine.

So, if you're going to use exit polls as a basis for fraud, then Bush committed fraud of epic proportions, because 41 out of 50 states had its exit polls move toward Bush, the odds of that are infintessimal. The odds of 16 of those 41 states moving BEYOND THE MARGIN OF ERROR ALL TOWARDS BUSH is 1 in 13 trillion (reported 200 trillion, but that's been revised). That's 1 in 13 TRILLION... that's 1 in 13,000,000,000,000. So, either Bush is the luckiest man in the history of the universe or he's a fraud.

Do you have any clue how hypocritical it is to say that there was fraud in the Ukraine based solely on the exit polling and then piss on those in the U.S. saying the same thing with even MORE evidence to back up their claims? How do you explain over 99.999% of all glitches, overvotes, undervotes, etc all favoring Bush? How can you?

These "irregularities" can't be explained with "You lost! Get over it!" stupidity, plain and simple.

If you truly felt that you had nothing to worry about, you wouldn't even object to a full hand recount of every state in the country. But since you and others on this forum are up-in-arms about this, then there's a large portion of yourself that acknowledges that Bush could've and would've done what we and hundreds of thousands of others are claiming.

The MSM is starting to pick up on the story, the GAO and House Judiciary Committee is doing an official investigation. The Glibs (Green and Lib parties) are working TOGETHER to get Ohio recounted. Why would they possibly do that? They have no possible agenda there. The SoS of Ohio has been dragging his feet, kicking and screaming, delaying and delaying getting Ohio certified (which could've been done at least two weeks ago). Why would he do that? Eh?

The CEO of Diebold GUARANTEED to bring Ohio's 20 electoral votes to Bush. GUARANTEED! How could he possibly make such a statement? Oh that's right, he runs the machines that count and take the votes. But that's tinfoil hate stuff. That couldn't possibly be true. Well, it is and an "apology" for that statement is on the Diebold website.

There's a video of a Diebold meeting in Texas admitting they rig the machines.

Link

They even mention... "That the results are going to differ from the exit polls. Is everyone ok with that? Yes, that's how we did it last time."

Hmmmm... no reason to wonder at all eh? Puhleeeeease.

I agree with that 100%.

:thumbsup:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28


ACT eh? How about the RNC paid group that went through Ohio, Oregon, Nevada etc registerinig voters and tearing up the Dem ones? But anyway....

Exactly how do you KNOW it was fraud in the Ukraine? The exit polls!! Oh that's right!!! I forgot!! Duh, Bush says exit polls = bad in the U.S., Bush says exit polls = good in the Ukraine.

So, if you're going to use exit polls as a basis for fraud, then Bush committed fraud of epic proportions, because 41 out of 50 states had its exit polls move toward Bush, the odds of that are infintessimal. The odds of 16 of those 41 states moving BEYOND THE MARGIN OF ERROR ALL TOWARDS BUSH is 1 in 13 trillion (reported 200 trillion, but that's been revised). That's 1 in 13 TRILLION... that's 1 in 13,000,000,000,000. So, either Bush is the luckiest man in the history of the universe or he's a fraud.

Do you have any clue how hypocritical it is to say that there was fraud in the Ukraine based solely on the exit polling and then piss on those in the U.S. saying the same thing with even MORE evidence to back up their claims? How do you explain over 99.999% of all glitches, overvotes, undervotes, etc all favoring Bush? How can you?

These "irregularities" can't be explained with "You lost! Get over it!" stupidity, plain and simple.

If you truly felt that you had nothing to worry about, you wouldn't even object to a full hand recount of every state in the country. But since you and others on this forum are up-in-arms about this, then there's a large portion of yourself that acknowledges that Bush could've and would've done what we and hundreds of thousands of others are claiming.

The MSM is starting to pick up on the story, the GAO and House Judiciary Committee is doing an official investigation. The Glibs (Green and Lib parties) are working TOGETHER to get Ohio recounted. Why would they possibly do that? They have no possible agenda there. The SoS of Ohio has been dragging his feet, kicking and screaming, delaying and delaying getting Ohio certified (which could've been done at least two weeks ago). Why would he do that? Eh?

The CEO of Diebold GUARANTEED to bring Ohio's 20 electoral votes to Bush. GUARANTEED! How could he possibly make such a statement? Oh that's right, he runs the machines that count and take the votes. But that's tinfoil hate stuff. That couldn't possibly be true. Well, it is and an "apology" for that statement is on the Diebold website.

There's a video of a Diebold meeting in Texas admitting they rig the machines.

Link

They even mention... "That the results are going to differ from the exit polls. Is everyone ok with that? Yes, that's how we did it last time."

Hmmmm... no reason to wonder at all eh? Puhleeeeease.

I agree with that 100%.

:thumbsup:

Does that mean I can call you Bill?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: BBond
Where are these links to Joe or Dede's blog???

I posted links from news organizations, blackboxvoting.org, etc. In a country where the mainstream press has abandoned their duties people are forced to find alternate sources. Or maybe I should just believe your version of the propaganda.

There were widespread voting irregularities on November 2nd. They must be investigated, and indeed they are being investigated, so that we might be able to fix the system before the next election is stolen. I'd hate to see it become the third stolen presidential elections in a row.

The widespread voting irregularities in the Ukraine have Bush calling for a new election there, which makes the Ukraine more of a democracy at this point than the USA.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

As for whatever other nonsense you're alluding to, I have no idea what you're talking about. But judging from your self-righteous tone and apparently multi-polar state, I'm not surprised by anything you post and I really don't care.

As you say, meh, keep it up. The comedy is hilarious.

Correction - you post links that take an extensive amount of tin-foil to read - "news" organization or not. blog.democrats.org is a joke as are the people who cited in your little posts. The FACT is that Bush won but some of you won't let go of your tinfoil conspiracy threories.
It's obvious there are problems with our voting systems - but they are not new and won't go away any time soon because humans are involved at some point. Oh, and BTW - none of the Elections were "stolen" - you people are a joke.
No, we won't have a new election because that isn't warranted. Only the kookiest of the far left kookists would think what you alluded to should be done.

Yes, BOBDN - keep up your games - it's great comedy.

CsG

Funny that no one is calling the people of the Ukraine kooks for demanding a new election due to voting irregularities.

If the voting irregularities in this election aren't faced and fixed we will continue to suffer from the same problems. The GAO is investigating this election. The problems have nothing to do with the vagueries of human involvement. These problems were planned. Electronic voting systems without back up. Voting software easily susceptible to hacking. Not enough voting machines at polling places. Voters blocked from voting at their polling place. Counting done behind locked doors without any observers. And always in heavily Democratic, inner city, or poor neighborhoods. You should really stop to consider that if nothing is done to correct voting irregularities in America, our democracy hangs in the balance.

This "BOBDN" you keep calling me. Is that a symptom of a psychosis? My name is Bill Bond. It's in my profile. I live in New Jersey. I'm not anonymous. I'm not "BOBDN". I'm Bill Bond. I don't know anyone named "BOBDN".

You're Martin Shaw from Iowa. There are several people here whose ideas you seem to agree with consistently. By your specious logic should I assume you are one of them?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ukraine wasn't "irregularites" - it was fraud.
Keep trying to bleat your conspiracy theories if you want but anyone living in reality knows that neither this Election nor the last was "stolen".
I never said nothing should be done, infact I have always supported paper backups for electronic voting but that doesn't mean your conspiracy BS holds any weight. Infact I think there are manythings that should be fixed in our voting system - but that doesn't mean the election was fraudulent or "fixed".
Voters should have to show ID when voting to prevent fraud - something your side doesn't seem to support.
Sameday voter registration shouldn't be allowed - it invites fraud.
Plus there are many other things that need fixed so people like ACT can't screw with things.
Meh, that's just a few of the problems that exist and I feel need to be fixed but I don't go around whining about "stolen" elections.


One last question "bill" - is George W. Bush your President?

CsG

Irregualarities equal fraud. Don't be ridiculous.

Voter registration should be handled like California and some other states handle it. When you get your driver license you are registered to vote.

The 2000 election was most definitely stolen. The winner, with over 500,000 more votes than the loser, lost because the loser went to the Supreme Court and got them to stop counting votes in Florida, get this, because Florida used differing methods to count votes. :roll:

It would seem, from the 70% of results which can be verified, that George W. Bush will be inaugrated president.

And that's Bill with a capital "B". I don't disrespect you. Don't disrespect me.

On second thought, my friends call me Bill. You can call me William.

Look Bob, Why not answer the question Cad posed to you (as you requested to be adressed as your Alius "bill")

And another thing, Bob, Illegal's can get drivers license in California. We do things a little more in line with our constitution in the red states.....