It is better to have and not need than to need and not have. Besides, if a ban is passed they will be great investments.
Its less than that Peyton, Obama is going to undo the tax credits that Bush enacted...my wife and I don't make 250K/year and under the Obama plan I will be paying roughly $800 more per year than I previously did...
Not enough to break the bank, but still money out of my pocket that could have gone to other things like my daughters college fund.
And I am willing to bet that it is only the beginning....more taxes and fees will follow, you can count on it, and when they do I don't want to hear any bitching and moaning because afterall "we" elected this guy.
I'm aboard the "hope" train now, as that's all that's left. Actually Obama did give me some "hope" the other day when he gave a speech after he won where he said something about us having to roll our sleeves up and get to work or something like that. I "hope" that doesn't mean enact some well meaning policies that turn the USA into a failed socialist state, but instead actually motivates people to achieve greater success. As a black man, Obama might be able to be a great leader figure for poorer black people who can achieve greatness with some inspiration. I really want to see the financial divide that exists between "whites" and "minorities", but not by tearing everyone down into misery instead of helping the lower class build themselves up.
I just hope Obama doesn't think he'll ever be able to, or that it would be just, to make everyone equal, literally, in how much they make or have.
All I can say is we will see Peyton...if he cannot manage to put up the rouse that he is making things better in short order he might be sunk.
And like I said, I am not going to complain one iota about higher taxes ...I voted as I saw fit, others voted differently...and here we are now. I can afford it, but it will be funny if say in a few years you're back here bitching about how much you now pay.
Well, for me the one positive from this might be we finally as a nation do away with all of our affirmative action legislation.
Plus I don't mind his vision on community service for those in school, but good luck getting that implemented...I have known plenty of parents over the years who would fight that tooth and nail.
One can only hope.
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All I can say is the GOP has a long road to recovery before they even have a small shot at 2012. But in all likelihood, I would plan on budgeting for your new tax rate through January 20th, 2017.
Honestly, even you know the chances of me doing that are zero. I could care less if my tax rate is 4% more/less.
Maybe, maybe not...we will see, luckily I don't have to budget much for anything, and I don't plan on really buying anything while Obama is in office, nor will I move my money around much as I won't want to eat the cap gains taxes...I will just let it sit.
Yeah I know, you're a big hack, bigger than me even...so you'd rather suck it up and get screwed just to do your part than bitch about it, then again for all I know you could be in the bracket that stands to gain the most from the Obama plan.
You guys saying that it's crazy to buy these guns are aware of Obama's history when it comes to gun control, right? I really doubt that any one is buying these guns to protect themselves from Obama, but that they won't be available to buy in the not too distant future.
I think it's kind of ironic how so many people complain that Bush is eroding the constitution with some of his policies, yet the lefties would have no problem with Obama doing the same to the 2nd amendment.
I think it's kind of ironic how so many people complain that Bush is eroding the constitution with some of his policies, yet the lefties would have no problem with Obama doing the same to the 2nd amendment.
Originally posted by: palehorse
Yo twit, newsflash: you've never needed a gun to protect yourself from those who buy such weapons legally. In fact, you are probably safer with actual responsible gun owners all around you... Imagine that!
We are here for you!
Name calling? I don't see any good in frenzied people buying stockpiles of automatic weapons and ammunition in reaction to the election of Barack Obama.
If the policeman down the corner only has a handgun, I don't want you having an MP-5. No offense.
Slow, the left has always been about mandating morals and ideals...heck it is why in my state they tell you that you cannot smoke in a bar, they raise taxes on cigarettes and tobacco astronomically to discourage sales.... they make it impossible for you to buy a gun, or it took them forever to allow people to buy alcohol on the weekends even though they lost alot of business to their neighbor from the north...they mandate that people who make over 30K a year buy their own health care at nearly $400 per month or face a tax penalty...I can go on...
So long as they feel what they regulate is justified or for the greater good then they have no reservations about limiting or removing those freedoms, plain and simple.
mugs
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Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: palehorse
Yo twit, newsflash: you've never needed a gun to protect yourself from those who buy such weapons legally. In fact, you are probably safer with actual responsible gun owners all around you... Imagine that!
We are here for you!
Name calling? I don't see any good in frenzied people buying stockpiles of automatic weapons and ammunition in reaction to the election of Barack Obama.
If the policeman down the corner only has a handgun, I don't want you having an MP-5. No offense.
Where did you hear that people are buying stockpiles of automatic weapons?
Do you have any idea how much a legal fully automatic weapon costs in this country? Criminals and crazy people don't buy legal automatic weapons.
Triumph
Lifer
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Exactly. No one is buying them to hunt Obama. This supposed "constitutional scholar" apparently never studied the 2A. By either interpretation, individual or collective right, the federal government has no right to pass regulation concerning firearms. So a permanent assault weapons ban, or nationwide ban on concealed carry, is not legal in any sense.
Legal means nothing...honestly if I were into guns I would do much the same, as the reality is that regulation comming down that seriously prohibits the sale of said items is probabily on the not to distant horizon.
It does not say "firearms" in the 2nd amendment, and it certainly doesn't say "assault weapons" or "concealed carry". The vagueness of the term "arms" and the term "bear" in the 2nd amendment are open to interpretation, especially given the difference between owning and carrying a gun now and doing so when the 2nd amendment was written.
Spike
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I was one of those who just went down to buy a handgun only two days ago. It was something I was looking at for the last year with the main purpose being home defense and to carry while hiking/backpacking (Springfield XD 45 compact w/ 2 13 rnd mags). Obama winning the election definitely moved up my time-table but it was not the cause of my firearm purchase and I would not assume it was the cause of most others. They and I know that another AWB is likely and if it's similar to last time then higher capacity magazines and some models of firearms will be hard to come by. I plan to purchase one more firearm in the near future but it will most likely be a 12 gauge for trap shooting and I don't fear about a ban on those. Hopefully Obama will stick to working on the economy first and leave guns alone for a possible second term, frankly I trust him more to stay on task then some of those in the congress.
Overall I don't expect many changes to gun laws, even under "ultra-liberal" leadership. As I said before I can definitly see the AWB coming back and maybe a few additional restrictions but to go as far as banning all semi-automatic weapons (as Obama said he would do in 2007) or enacting some rule about anything over 4 rounds is illegal is very unlikely. Besides the fact that there are bigger fish to fry the legal battle that would ensue would hurt the image of the Democrats greatly and would take a lot of wind out of their sails. There are some of those who would love nothing more than to ban guns all together but most realize that it's not worth fighting except for some small restrictions. It's almost in the same boat as the Republicans going after abortion, while most don't like it and some want any form of it banned (rape and incest cases included) they normally leave it up to the states since it's not worth the political capital to fight. Heck, more laws (state level) where passed while Clinton was in office that regulated and limited abortion than under Bush.
Just as a note I am a registered Republican who voted for Obama though with some reservations. I truly believe he stands a better chance of helping the US and the world through his policy of change. I felt that with a Democratic majority in Congress a Democrat in the white house will have an easier time passing needed legislation. I just hope that when the time comes and we are done with what will most likely be a long road to recovery some of the harsher legislation (ie, some or lots of additional taxes) is reversed or toned down. Here's to hoping...
Overall I don't expect many changes to gun laws, even under "ultra-liberal" leadership. As I said before I can definitly see the AWB coming back and maybe a few additional restrictions but to go as far as banning all semi-automatic weapons (as Obama said he would do in 2007) or enacting some rule about anything over 4 rounds is illegal is very unlikely. Besides the fact that there are bigger fish to fry the legal battle that would ensue would hurt the image of the Democrats greatly and would take a lot of wind out of their sails. There are some of those who would love nothing more than to ban guns all together but most realize that it's not worth fighting except for some small restrictions. It's almost in the same boat as the Republicans going after abortion, while most don't like it and some want any form of it banned (rape and incest cases included) they normally leave it up to the states since it's not worth the political capital to fight. Heck, more laws (state level) where passed while Clinton was in office that regulated and limited abortion than under Bush.
Just as a note I am a registered Republican who voted for Obama though with some reservations. I truly believe he stands a better chance of helping the US and the world through his policy of change. I felt that with a Democratic majority in Congress a Democrat in the white house will have an easier time passing needed legislation. I just hope that when the time comes and we are done with what will most likely be a long road to recovery some of the harsher legislation (ie, some or lots of additional taxes) is reversed or toned down. Here's to hoping...
Thump553
Lifer
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The left is about mandating morals? What koolaid are you drinking? Look at the examples you give-it's legislating morals to bar a proven cancer risk-second hand smoke-in public places? It's your moral right to impose your disease upon others? Raising tobacco costs to attempt to recoup just a part of the public expense (unfunded medical treatment for cancer, emphysema (sp?), asthma, etc. caused or contributed to by cigarette smoking)? the public should bear the expense of uninsured medical treatment because you shirk your individual responsibilty to do so? You have a really bizarre concept of legislating morals.
Now the right NEVER legislates morals- things like bans on gay marriage, mandating abstinence teaching as the sole sex education, public funding of religious run charities, stem cell research prohibitions, attempts to outlaw the right to privacy as established by Roe v. Wade, etc, ad infinitum-those are just figments of my imagination? I guess the moral majority and conservative "values" voters are also illusions?
Face it, guns sales are up because the gun retailers are quite rightfully exploiting the paranoia of a certain segment of society. You guys are playing yourselves for fools.
I was pretty well with you until your last part about guns. I'm fairly middle of the road when it comes to politics, maybe slightly right. I don't believe for a second that either side is any better or worse when it comes to trying to legislate morals. I guess it just depends on your personal point of view who is right.
But I do not think that gun sales are up because of some unwarranted fear that is pushed by those who sell guns. The fact is Obama's record is very, very unfriendly when it comes to pro-gun views. With him and a Democrat majority House/Senate it's very likely that many guns (whether for collectable reasons, or to shoot) that you can buy today will not be able to be bought in a year or two. No one knows, maybe Obama will not touch the current laws regarding guns, but his past would show otherwise.
I've been looking at buying an SKS or AK-47 for a while now. No doubt I'll try and pick one up sooner now. I'm pretty sure there is a major gun show in my area in January, I'll probably buy one then because who knows if I'll be able to at the next show.
Triumph
Lifer
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That vagueness is what helps gun rights advocates. Is an assault weapon an arm? Yes, it certainly is. If the founding fathers were shown an AR-15 with collapsible stock and 30 round magazine, would they consider it some sort of evil devil's magic? No, I think not, someone like Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson would likely be interested in its inner workings and see it as a logical progression of the firearms of the time.
A much more ridiculous interpretation of the 2A would be one where the founding fathers intended it only to protect flintlock muzzle loading rifles.
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