Record gun sales sweep nation

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What is wrong with you delusional righty tighties, if you think an army of ill trained militias armed with Ak-47's is going to be able to stand up against one army tank, jet plane, or a company of howitzers, you might wish to contact the surviving members of the branch dividians. When they had the element of surprise, they managed to repel one initial assault, but within a day, they were totally surrounded and totally outgunned.

Sadly many of these assault weapons now being purchased by misguided but other wise honest people, will find their way into the hands of criminals over the course of five or 10 years.

Your last paragraph and that line of thinking is what scares me the most. You honestly believe what you are posting. That is what scares me.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What is wrong with you delusional righty tighties, if you think an army of ill trained militias armed with Ak-47's is going to be able to stand up against one army tank, jet plane, or a company of howitzers, you might wish to contact the surviving members of the branch dividians. When they had the element of surprise, they managed to repel one initial assault, but within a day, they were totally surrounded and totally outgunned.

Sadly many of these assault weapons now being purchased by misguided but other wise honest people, will find their way into the hands of criminals over the course of five or 10 years.

Your last paragraph and that line of thinking is what scares me the most. You honestly believe what you are posting. That is what scares me.

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Quite true spidey07, reality always scares you so you cling to a fantasy.

No, I do not believe we will have an armed military takeover of the US, but if our military ever has to be called in to pry guns from cold dead fingers, they can do the job without any hindrance from mere Ak-47's.

Iraq and Afghanistan may be the NRA ideal of the armed citizen, but what they have ended up with is not any kind of social order, but instead a bunch of corrupt and armed thugs practicing ethnic cleansing, a quest for local fiefdoms, and power bases. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sadly many of these assault weapons now being purchased by misguided but other wise honest people, will find their way into the hands of criminals over the course of five or 10 years.

I'd like you to walk me through exactly how that would happen... thanks ahead of time.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Quite true spidey07, reality always scares you so you cling to a fantasy.

No, I do not believe we will have an armed military takeover of the US, but if our military ever has to be called in to pry guns from cold dead fingers, they can do the job without any hindrance from mere Ak-47's.

Iraq and Afghanistan may be the NRA ideal of the armed citizen, but what they have ended up with is not any kind of social order, but instead a bunch of corrupt and armed thugs practicing ethnic cleansing, a quest for local fiefdoms, and power bases. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

The day that the military is sent in to take away weapons will be the day that people will vote from the rooftops.

I'm not sure what the fuck you are talking about with Iraq or Afghanistan either.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Well at least Obama is spurring one segment of the economy. With his and the Dems stance it isn't surprising. I can personally attest to this - went to the store today and folks were carrying out 1000s of rounds and the most popular choices were the "assault rifle". People weren't there to look. They were there to BUY, and buy they did. The guy I normally go to at the store said it simply - "I've never seen anything like this".

http://ap.google.com/article/A...EMaTMPoeCiuiwD94ABV9G1

"Franklin Gun Shop outside Nashville, Tenn., sold more than 70 guns on Tuesday, making it the biggest sales day since the shop opened eight years ago. Guns & Gear in Cheyenne, Wyo., also set a one-day sales record on Tuesday, only to break that mark on Wednesday."

Guns are always a good investment, especially in hard economic times. Increased sales may not have anything at all to do with Obama, but the current economic downturn.

Here is the one my wife wants for christmas. It will easily double in value in 10 years.

 

[spidey07]

Lemon Law, way to compare apples to oranges.

But you're line of thinking is what is driving up sales. What is scary is you really believe what you are posting.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Wow, now I need a gun to protect me from the lunatics who though it necessary to buy an assault rifle because Barack Obama was elected.

I think normal people should be entitled to own pretty much any weapon they want. No tanks or rocket launchers or anything, but anything within reason (including semi-automatic "assault weapons"). That said, I think there should be a test as to whether or not your are too stupid/crazy to own a weapon designed for killing people. And anybody who bought a gun because Obama was elected would fail that test, big time. Gun folks are always fond of saying that gun ownership is not a problem if you have responsible gun owners, and nothing demonstrates a lack of responsibility better than a willingness to buy into some paranoid theory like this. After all, these folks are now well armed and (apparently) pretty easily fooled into believing anything. THAT is not a combination I want to see too often.

I'll kindly ask you to recant your statement within the next 2 years.

It's not paranoia at all. It's reality. But you are correct, better safe than sorry so why not stock up?

What's that saying again? "It's foolish to hope for the best without preparing for the worst."

If Obama turns into some gun-banning Nazi, I'll change my mind. But since gun bans don't seem to be a major issue for anyone other than pro-gun people trying to scare everyone, I'm not too worried.

Its pretty simple, the Congressional Dems have wanted to reinstitute bans and go ever further than before. They have the numbers and the White House, its going to happen, it just a matter of when, not if.

 

[Spike]

What I find as kinda funny is the fact that I always thought it would be fun to own a semi-automatic rifle (AR or Sig variety) but never really considered it seriously. Now that it's almost a certainty some sort of ban will be put into effect, maybe even a permanent one if that can get past the courts, I find myself much more tempted to buy one. So the very people who will try and go after the sale of "assault rifles" will, in fact, spur more law abiding citizens to buy them. Also, I still find it strange that they target the sale of these rifles anyway since they are used in a tiny fraction of all gun crime and those that are used are almost always illegally obtained. It seems to me that money and effort would be better spent going after the black market for firearms.

Ah well, guess that Christmas bonus (yes, I still get one and it's bigger than last year) might go in part towards that new rifle. Thank you Obama for giving me the reason to get one. Even my wife agrees it may be time and we both voted for him though she is the more liberal one. Now the question is go for the expensive Sig 551 or the cheaper AR-15.... decisions decisions...

 

[Possessed Freak]

First time gun owner, and it is an AR (Bushmaster).

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Lemon law
What is wrong with you delusional righty tighties, if you think an army of ill trained militias armed with Ak-47's is going to be able to stand up against one army tank, jet plane, or a company of howitzers, you might wish to contact the surviving members of the branch dividians. When they had the element of surprise, they managed to repel one initial assault, but within a day, they were totally surrounded and totally outgunned.

Sadly many of these assault weapons now being purchased by misguided but other wise honest people, will find their way into the hands of criminals over the course of five or 10 years.

Your last paragraph and that line of thinking is what scares me the most. You honestly believe what you are posting. That is what scares me.

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Quite true spidey07, reality always scares you so you cling to a fantasy.

No, I do not believe we will have an armed military takeover of the US, but if our military ever has to be called in to pry guns from cold dead fingers, they can do the job without any hindrance from mere Ak-47's.

Iraq and Afghanistan may be the NRA ideal of the armed citizen, but what they have ended up with is not any kind of social order, but instead a bunch of corrupt and armed thugs practicing ethnic cleansing, a quest for local fiefdoms, and power bases. The road to hell is often paved with good intentions.

You and I can at least agree on one thing. Only your idea of heaven, an unarmed and unprotected populace, is my idea of hell.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
First time gun owner, and it is an AR (Bushmaster).

Nice. What model?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It doesn't surprise me that gun sails are up in Tennessee and probably all across the South. Economic depression and a poor economy doesn't change the human need for protein, and with the price of gas so high there's simply not enough road kill to go around.

Ahh, so that explains the lack of liberals down there. Meat is meat, right?

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
First time gun owner, and it is an AR (Bushmaster).

Nice. What model?

Almost exactly this one:
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[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sadly many of these assault weapons now being purchased by misguided but other wise honest people, will find their way into the hands of criminals over the course of five or 10 years.

I'd like you to walk me through exactly how that would happen... thanks ahead of time.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Sadly many of these assault weapons now being purchased by misguided but other wise honest people, will find their way into the hands of criminals over the course of five or 10 years.

I'd like you to walk me through exactly how that would happen... thanks ahead of time.

Well.

I'd like to state some things that should be obvious :

(1)- Virtually all gun crime committed in this country is by men with handguns. Rifles are rarely used.

(2)- Guns used in crimes are mostly black market / stolen.

As to why anyone would support gun control, it's beyond me. If we ended our dumb as a box of rocks 'war on drugs', we could afford to lock up violent criminals for draconian-length sentences instead of slaps on the wrist. As well as stop manufacturing career criminals out of simple losers. Why we have people in prison for 10 years for some pot or whatever, who then shares cells with rapists and aggravated criminals for that time, doesn't make any sense, unless the purpose of the machinery is to create as many criminals as possible. Profitable I suppose for the law enforcement machinery, bigger budgets, more sweeping powers, etc, but uniformly bad for our nation.

We need to leave law-abiding people alone, legalize drugs, keep guns legal, but punish the ever-living shit out of anyone who commits a violent crime.

 

[NeoV]

a fairly large percentage of guns used in crimes are stolen - hence the statement that 'many of these assault weapons will find their way into the hands of criminals over the next 5-10 years' is a completely valid statement. Any of you thinking you are immune to this are delusional.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NeoV
a fairly large percentage of guns used in crimes are stolen - hence the statement that 'many of these assault weapons will find their way into the hands of criminals over the next 5-10 years' is a completely valid statement. Any of you thinking you are immune to this are delusional.

3% of gun crime occurs with rifles. There are many rifles that are not "assault weapons".

Only 10% of prison inmates acquired their guns through theft, of these, 9% stole handguns (that is, only 1% of inmates acquired a rifle through theft).

So less than 0.03% of gun crime is from stolen rifles. That's hardly "many".

In terms of most stolen types of firearms, rifles don't even make the top 12, which means that fewer than 1.3% of all gun theft is theft of rifles. Again, this is hardly "many".

Statistics from the US Bureau of Justice

ZV

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: NeoV
a fairly large percentage of guns used in crimes are stolen - hence the statement that 'many of these assault weapons will find their way into the hands of criminals over the next 5-10 years' is a completely valid statement. Any of you thinking you are immune to this are delusional.

EDIT: nevermind.. I think Zen said it best. The stats speak for themselves.

Stay the f*ck away from my gun rights.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: NeoV
a fairly large percentage of guns used in crimes are stolen - hence the statement that 'many of these assault weapons will find their way into the hands of criminals over the next 5-10 years' is a completely valid statement of OPINION. Any of you thinking you are immune to this are delusional.

Fixed, and nobody ever claimed to be "immune" to opinion.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NeoV
a fairly large percentage of guns used in crimes are stolen - hence the statement that 'many of these assault weapons will find their way into the hands of criminals over the next 5-10 years' is a completely valid statement. Any of you thinking you are immune to this are delusional.

3% of gun crime occurs with rifles. There are many rifles that are not "assault weapons".

Only 10% of prison inmates acquired their guns through theft, of these, 9% stole handguns (that is, only 1% of inmates acquired a rifle through theft).

So less than 0.03% of gun crime is from stolen rifles. That's hardly "many".

In terms of most stolen types of firearms, rifles don't even make the top 12, which means that fewer than 1.3% of all gun theft is theft of rifles. Again, this is hardly "many".

Statistics from the US Bureau of Justice

ZV

But, but....

 

[ElFenix]

if an AWB comes about that is similar to the last one, sounds like a good investment plan to me.

 

[piasabird]

Who is to say a person should not be allowed to prepared to defend themselves?

Private ownership of guns is a defense against Tyrany.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Who is to say a person should not be allowed to prepared to defend themselves?

Private ownership of guns is a defense against Tyrany.

The pasty liberals who live sheltered lives and think that guns are "icky" and are scared by loud noises.

These people believe that if a guy breaks in the house in the middle of the night, you should call 911 and wait the 5 minutes for a cop to arrive. Defending you family and property yourself is "barbaric", and you are obviously a "knuckle-dragger" for wanting to exercise your constitutional rights.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: piasabird
Who is to say a person should not be allowed to prepared to defend themselves?

Private ownership of guns is a defense against Tyrany.

The pasty liberals who live sheltered lives and think that guns are "icky" and are scared by loud noises.

These people believe that if a guy breaks in the house in the middle of the night, you should call 911 and wait the 5 minutes for a cop to arrive. Defending you family and property yourself is "barbaric", and you are obviously a "knuckle-dragger" for wanting to exercise your constitutional rights.

I can honestly say that I really do not know many liberals who are against banning all guns. I mean, I know they are out there, but most understand your logic to the point where they realize some firearms are necessary a good thing for the community. You really shouldn't stereotype everyone who leans more to the left as radical extremists. At the same time, I know that most understand that lines need to be drawn as well. Hand guns in your home? Ok. Automatic assault rifles designed for combat in the Marines, Uhhh...no. What's next? Grenades? Silencers? Trip mines?

However, what I also notice is that the definition of what constitutes as a vigilante differs between hardcore Amendment 2 supporters and those who are either somewhere in the middle or more liberal. Personally, I am ok with defending one's property, but I am not ok with taking the law into your own hands just because you believe that the criminal deserves the punishment you have decided for them. We have a court system for a reason and when we can use it we should. We shouldn't skip it just because we know we can get away with killing someone by shooting them in the back as they are already running down the street with intent to kill them and reclaim your Playstation. Nor should we choose to kill just because we think they might get away and not get caught by the authorities. Big difference and it does come down to how much one believes in our justice system.

 

[chucky2]

But my Playstation is worth something, while they're worth nothing...actually, shooting them saves us money, it lets us not have to pay for their incarceration.

For those who commit crime it's simple: You take your life and put it into the hands of others and their mercy.

And that's the way it should be...removing that check lets criminals with little else to lose operate with little fear of meaningful consequences.

Chuck