Really the most overrated band ever

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Captante

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I kind of agree with the Grateful Dead. They were musically talented, but I think a lot of the appeal was to the culture surrounding the band. Those who remember how awesome they were from having gone to their concerts forget that they were stoned out of their minds when they were at the concerts. :p

A Cure song came on the radio eariler today - I'd also call them an over-rated group who had a strong following. Again though, it seemed to be a cultural thing.



I was actually going to mention the Cure myself ... another terrible concert I wasted money on. They simply couldn't play live.

And while I MAY :p have been in a slightly altered state of mind at the dozen or so Dead shows I saw back in the day, the same could be said for pretty much every concert I saw including the ones that sucked. Point being that I was able to tell the difference for the most part at least.

(btw the last 2 Dead concerts I saw in the early 90's were pretty bad ... heavy hard drug use really took its toll)
 
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zinfamous

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Bingo

Greatful Dead is indeed also overrated.....Good.......Not bad....just tremendously overrated due to the legion of acidheads during their heydey. Same could be said of Pink Floyd.
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On the flip side, Rush deserves much more accolades than what they've received in their careers.

Rush is great, but hating on the Dead because "acidheads" and demanding Rush get more attention...

lolno. I guess you hate blues and folk and jazz and rock&roll and American fucking music.
 
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zinfamous

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I know some of the Beatles stuff was pop-fluff but their entire body of work has a lot of really, really great songs.

I do not disagree with this.

Everything before Rubber Soul can be disregarded. The BeachBoys did standard pop faaar better than the Beatles, and their artier stuff compares favorably to the Beatles, even if it doesn't surpass it.

talk about an underrated/underappreciated band today. As good as the Beatles became, they owe all of that to Dylan and the Beach Boys, honestly.
 

zinfamous

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I kind of agree with the Grateful Dead. They were musically talented, but I think a lot of the appeal was to the culture surrounding the band. Those who remember how awesome they were from having gone to their concerts forget that they were stoned out of their minds when they were at the concerts. :p

That's totally fair. :D The Dead had some terrible shows, but they also had some transcendent ones throughout the years.

You have to remember, though, that they played some 130+ nights per year for 30 years straight, interrupted only by one hiatus in ~78 and a "brief coma" in ~81.

No other band ever attempted that, and certainly won't again. (Phish has gotten close, I guess).

With an N like that, you expect some shit shows.
 

lxskllr

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That's totally fair. :D The Dead had some terrible shows, but they also had some transcendent ones throughout the years.

You have to remember, though, that they played some 130+ nights per year for 30 years straight, interrupted only by one hiatus in ~78 and a "brief coma" in ~81.

No other band ever attempted that, and certainly won't again. (Phish has gotten close, I guess).

With an N like that, you expect some shit shows.

It was also about the whole experience. You could go to a show and find friends you never met before. It was a real community of people who gave a shit. I went to some without tickets, and had a great time in the parking lot. I never saw a terrible show, but even the mediocre ones were pretty good when the whole experience was accounted for.
 

ControlD

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No, they're the most underrated ever.

The Doors are anything but underrated. Every god damned college student alive goes through a "Holy shit, the Doors are the greatest band ever" phase. Then they move on to Pink Floyd. Then they burn out on both and move on to better things.
 

Leyawiin

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No, they're not overrated. Everyone back in the day knew they were just a commercial hit mill. Anyway, Steve Perry is the most famous Portagee from my home area (Hanford, CA), so I'll stick up for him.
 

HeXen

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Metallica. I liked them ok back in the day but I can't stand that band anymore. Same with Disturbed. I always felt like Led Zeplin and KISS was over rated, never cared for their music
 

ControlD

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I don't think any of the bands listed are actually overrated. They all write their own music, play their own instruments, spent years crafting their brand and gaining a following. Not liking a band doesn't make them overrated. If you want overrated, just take a look at what is popular today. Yeah, I'm old. Still, I'll take a bad Grateful Dead song over whatever computer assisted garbage Beyonce, Pitt Bull or their ilk is putting out.

I need to go get my Metamucil or I would write more.
 

gorcorps

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I don't think any of the bands listed are actually overrated. They all write their own music, play their own instruments, spent years crafting their brand and gaining a following. Not liking a band doesn't make them overrated. If you want overrated, just take a look at what is popular today. Yeah, I'm old. Still, I'll take a bad Grateful Dead song over whatever computer assisted garbage Beyonce, Pitt Bull or their ilk is putting out.

I need to go get my Metamucil or I would write more.

Well there's plenty of modern music that will turn out to be overrated, but right now we don't have any sort of grasp on how they'll be remembered through decades.
 

zinfamous

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I thought this way for all the years between when they became a household name until maybe some time last year.

I still don't really like their genre or their sound, or much of their music, but I feel that I actually get them now...and I get why they became so popular for their fans and for what was going on with music, especially popular music, at that time.

For me, I never could appreciate them (like their sound or their songs) because I never shared the angst that their fans--even at the same age--are generally assumed to share in order to appreciate Nirvana and Cobain. I just thought of them as loud, mumbly, and complainy. In a way, I still do, but I guess I get it. That actually was very serious and meant a lot to a significant audience of what became popular music from that era, so it has very real relevance regardless of whether you like it or not, and regardless of whether it should be considered over or underrated. At the same time, I much preferred Pearl Jam (I preferred their sound and their songs, even though it is pretty much the same thing in the end).

As far as bands that pretty much defined their genre and their generation of fans, with a heavily-identified front man, and that seem to generate rather polarized opinions, I can compare Nirvana to the Doors. And my over-underrating, appreciating of the two, is frankly quite different.

The Doors:
--generally my type of sound: I love the blues and Rock and Roll. I love hippy bullshit and anything with a solid piano. Hammond B3 a plus. I generally love all psychedelic tunes, especially with well-crafted, story-driven tunes.
--Front man has a great voice for R&R and the Blues.
---I vacillate between liking them and labeling them overrated. Here is why:
I love their music. It's catchy and even poppy in a way. ...I hate Jim Morrison. I think he has a great voice and his lyrics are generally OK, but it is all bullshit. He's a terrible writer and certainly not "a poet" as people want to think. He's a phony. The band is great overall, and doesn't suffer because of Morrison.

Nirvana:
--Definitely not my type of sound: loud, messy, heavily distorted bullshit that generally supplants lack of skill with some notion of "art." Fuck that. I can appreciate to a certain degree the notion that an orchestra of terrible noises is its own art and not some mere cacophony--I get that--but I don't want to pay to listen to that shit for a 2 or 3 hour show.
--Cobain has a terrible voice. He strikes me as a spoiled suburban twat that primarily complains about problems that exist only because he chooses to have them--suburban angst. ...but he actually isn't phony. These problems are real to him and his lyrics are exactly what his life is like which, not incidentally, really was quite fucked up. Much of which were his own poor choices, but he was raised in a rather shitty household with shitty people around him. Cobain is honest and in no way a phony, and Nirvana is as honest a ban can be with their sound and their music. So....I get it.

I like the Doors more because I like their sound, but they are a phony band compared to Nirvana, who is a very honest band with a shitty sound and shitty music to my palate.

Neither are overrated.

There.
 

zinfamous

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I hate Rush so much it's literally hard for me to understand how anyone could like them.

I guess you can just scoot away in your red Barchetta, because you sure aren't living in the limelight.

Or just get yourself to YYZ International airport and fly by night away from here, because you sure aren't closer to the heart of many ATers.
 

nakedfrog

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Didn't we already solidly tread on this ground not that long ago?
I thought this way for all the years between when they became a household name until maybe some time last year.


I like the Doors more because I like their sound, but they are a phony band compared to Nirvana, who is a very honest band with a shitty sound and shitty music to my palate.

Neither are overrated.

There.
I quite enjoy both! :D
 

Hugh Jass

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Rush, The Beatles, KISS, Van Halen, Green Day, Weezer, Dave Matthews Band, Rolling Stones, Springsteen just to name a few.
 

JulesMaximus

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I thought this way for all the years between when they became a household name until maybe some time last year.

I still don't really like their genre or their sound, or much of their music, but I feel that I actually get them now...and I get why they became so popular for their fans and for what was going on with music, especially popular music, at that time.

For me, I never could appreciate them (like their sound or their songs) because I never shared the angst that their fans--even at the same age--are generally assumed to share in order to appreciate Nirvana and Cobain. I just thought of them as loud, mumbly, and complainy. In a way, I still do, but I guess I get it. That actually was very serious and meant a lot to a significant audience of what became popular music from that era, so it has very real relevance regardless of whether you like it or not, and regardless of whether it should be considered over or underrated. At the same time, I much preferred Pearl Jam (I preferred their sound and their songs, even though it is pretty much the same thing in the end).

As far as bands that pretty much defined their genre and their generation of fans, with a heavily-identified front man, and that seem to generate rather polarized opinions, I can compare Nirvana to the Doors. And my over-underrating, appreciating of the two, is frankly quite different.

The Doors:
--generally my type of sound: I love the blues and Rock and Roll. I love hippy bullshit and anything with a solid piano. Hammond B3 a plus. I generally love all psychedelic tunes, especially with well-crafted, story-driven tunes.
--Front man has a great voice for R&R and the Blues.
---I vacillate between liking them and labeling them overrated. Here is why:
I love their music. It's catchy and even poppy in a way. ...I hate Jim Morrison. I think he has a great voice and his lyrics are generally OK, but it is all bullshit. He's a terrible writer and certainly not "a poet" as people want to think. He's a phony. The band is great overall, and doesn't suffer because of Morrison.

Nirvana:
--Definitely not my type of sound: loud, messy, heavily distorted bullshit that generally supplants lack of skill with some notion of "art." Fuck that. I can appreciate to a certain degree the notion that an orchestra of terrible noises is its own art and not some mere cacophony--I get that--but I don't want to pay to listen to that shit for a 2 or 3 hour show.
--Cobain has a terrible voice. He strikes me as a spoiled suburban twat that primarily complains about problems that exist only because he chooses to have them--suburban angst. ...but he actually isn't phony. These problems are real to him and his lyrics are exactly what his life is like which, not incidentally, really was quite fucked up. Much of which were his own poor choices, but he was raised in a rather shitty household with shitty people around him. Cobain is honest and in no way a phony, and Nirvana is as honest a ban can be with their sound and their music. So....I get it.

I like the Doors more because I like their sound, but they are a phony band compared to Nirvana, who is a very honest band with a shitty sound and shitty music to my palate.

Neither are overrated.

There.

My Dad was a musician and he loved Kurt Cobain. I have to say, I didn't care for Nirvana back when they were popular but I do have quite an appreciation for them now. His death rocked my Dad, so much that he called me to ask me how it affected me (shows you how well he knew me-I'd be lucky to get a phone call from him once a year). I was born the same year Kurt Cobain was so maybe he thought I listened to them.

Anyway, I don't like all of their music but what I do like is very very good IMO. I'm a big Dave Grohl fan too.

My Dad collected 4 Kurt Cobain JagStangs over the years and I have one of them now primarily because it is a left-handed guitar and my son is left-handed (I am right handed so I can't play it). I thought it would be kind of cool for my son to have it if he decides he wants to learn to play guitar at some point.
 

Craig234

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The Doors are anything but underrated. Every god damned college student alive goes through a "Holy shit, the Doors are the greatest band ever" phase. Then they move on to Pink Floyd. Then they burn out on both and move on to better things.

And some people say Donald Trump would be the greatest president every.

Pearls before swine. Not everyone can appreciate the Doors obviously.
 

Craig234

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The perversity in this thread has been overwhelming. Led Zeppelin (sorry, "Led Zeplin") listed? The Doors? Jim Morrison a phony, the band a phony? The Beatles?

I'm disgusted.

But, if anyone wants to actually be able to say whether the Doors are great - ok, this is really a test of your taste in music - listen to these five songs. THEN you have a say.

1. Touch Me
2. The End
3. When the Music's Over
4. Riders on the Storm
5. Five to One

After listening to those five, you will have heard songs allowing an opinion. Good or bad.