RE: Immigration raids

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Well what else are we to expect of you when all you can muster regarding illegal immigration are mindless cries of xenophobia? Sounds like a cover to me... I think you aim to exploit these people politically and economically.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Draconian border enforcement? LOL, that's so out of touch with reality it's actually funny!!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Well what else are we to expect of you when all you can muster regarding illegal immigration are mindless cries of xenophobia? Sounds like a cover to me... I think you aim to exploit these people politically and economically.

American nativism and xenophobia has a well established historical precedent, and the views expressed on this forum frequently parrot the arguments put forth by nativist elements in our society. It's hardly mindless, it's an easily identifiable cycle of American history. You should go read about it sometime.

Now you think I'm part of some nefarious scheme to exploit immigrants politically and economically? I'd love to hear what you think the details of my master plan are. Stop being silly about this, you're just trying to find a counter-accusation because the xenophobia charge hits a little close to home.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Draconian border enforcement? LOL, that's so out of touch with reality it's actually funny!!

Feel free to explain how? Then we can all laugh!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

One of a million different things depending on how we do it, why do you ask?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Maybe you should puzzle out how people want our laws enforced, and think its unwise to let just anyone into our country? Ive asked in other threads and got no reponse, maybe you can answer. What part of our current road to citizenship should be bypassed for our group of illegals, to get them legal? Or do you think they should go through the same hoops?

Of course they shouldn't go through the same hoops. Our ridiculous immigration system and the hoops it requires people to go through is what contributed to this problem to begin with. If people could enter the US legally more easily there would be much less incentive to do so illegally, and we would have the benefit of better information on those who were coming in, we could refocus border resources on catching the truly undesirable people, etc.

I'm not personally familiar enough with the particulars of immigration law to tell you what exactly should be changed however, I'd have to read more about it.

Then please read, sir. Because if youre advocating bypassing the current requirements imposed on LEGAL immigrants, you are a fool. And I personally dont think you are, just misinformed. Read up and decide for yourself what hoops should be bypassed and why, then we can have an actual discussion on reform. You cant reform what you dont know. Theres nothing wrong with saying "we need to change the system", but doing so without knowing what the system is is foolish.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

One of a million different things depending on how we do it, why do you ask?

What happened when we gave the last amnesty to 3 million illegals? I'll tell you, we got 20 million more illegals (and counting). No matter how you want to justify it, open borders don't work, to say nothing about the security issues involved.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Well what else are we to expect of you when all you can muster regarding illegal immigration are mindless cries of xenophobia? Sounds like a cover to me... I think you aim to exploit these people politically and economically.

American nativism and xenophobia has a well established historical precedent, and the views expressed on this forum frequently parrot the arguments put forth by nativist elements in our society. It's hardly mindless, it's an easily identifiable cycle of American history. You should go read about it sometime.

Now you think I'm part of some nefarious scheme to exploit immigrants politically and economically? I'd love to hear what you think the details of my master plan are. Stop being silly about this, you're just trying to find a counter-accusation because the xenophobia charge hits a little close to home.

Once you read up on legal immigrant requirements I would be more than happy to engage you. If, that is, you still have the same opinion. Until then, theres no point. Youre arguing your point against something you know nothing about.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Maybe you should puzzle out how people want our laws enforced, and think its unwise to let just anyone into our country? Ive asked in other threads and got no reponse, maybe you can answer. What part of our current road to citizenship should be bypassed for our group of illegals, to get them legal? Or do you think they should go through the same hoops?

Of course they shouldn't go through the same hoops. Our ridiculous immigration system and the hoops it requires people to go through is what contributed to this problem to begin with. If people could enter the US legally more easily there would be much less incentive to do so illegally, and we would have the benefit of better information on those who were coming in, we could refocus border resources on catching the truly undesirable people, etc.

I'm not personally familiar enough with the particulars of immigration law to tell you what exactly should be changed however, I'd have to read more about it.

Eskimospy you are for "change", yet you not familiar with our current system.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

One of a million different things depending on how we do it, why do you ask?

Eskimospy, you are so evasive, almost like you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Well what else are we to expect of you when all you can muster regarding illegal immigration are mindless cries of xenophobia? Sounds like a cover to me... I think you aim to exploit these people politically and economically.

American nativism and xenophobia has a well established historical precedent, and the views expressed on this forum frequently parrot the arguments put forth by nativist elements in our society. It's hardly mindless, it's an easily identifiable cycle of American history. You should go read about it sometime.

America is also a nation of immigrants like no other country in the world, a true melting pot with a proud history of creating opportunities for poor newcomers. The fact that you focus on the xenophobic aspects is very telling... and like I said, belies your real motives.

Now you think I'm part of some nefarious scheme to exploit immigrants politically and economically? I'd love to hear what you think the details of my master plan are. Stop being silly about this, you're just trying to find a counter-accusation because the xenophobia charge hits a little close to home.

I can care less about your "master plan" or whatever other retard schemes you contrive. I don't need to find a counter-accusation, it's right there for anyone to see... you express no real ideas regarding illegal immigration yet engage in very much pitiful whining about nativism about those who do. What hits close to home is your implied message that people who want real action now to solve problems are led by a xenophobia, and just like the people who spout racism to impugn and silence intelligent debate hide their real motives behind a cloak of lies.

Don't try and pretend to be some moderate straddling a reasonable line while 90% of your tripe revolves around American xenophobia and nativism. It's transparent, it's sad, and it's obvious you have another agenda. Political and economic exploitation makes perfect sense... people like you have always needed a victim class to rape for your own self gratification.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: rudder
So there was a concensus in this thread that pelosi was a fruitcake. Saying immigration raids were unamerican.

One of the arguments we always hear about offering amnesty is because the illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do. I always argued back that they are doing jobs at wages American workers can't work at.

So here is a study that shows wages of American workers increase after immigration raids.

Article

Now I wish ICE would come around here and let American workers get back into the construction industry.

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

This is the typical leftist mentality, call the law abiding people xenophobes because they want laws enforced. This is one issue that most Dem's and Republicans agree on, with the exception of our elected officials.

BTW if this country is so full of these "un-American", law abiding, xenophobes how did Barrack Hussein Obama get elected?

asinine post........how did Obama get elected...perhaps because he is ligit!!

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: rudder
So there was a concensus in this thread that pelosi was a fruitcake. Saying immigration raids were unamerican.

One of the arguments we always hear about offering amnesty is because the illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do. I always argued back that they are doing jobs at wages American workers can't work at.

So here is a study that shows wages of American workers increase after immigration raids.

Article

Now I wish ICE would come around here and let American workers get back into the construction industry.

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

This is the typical leftist mentality, call the law abiding people xenophobes because they want laws enforced. This is one issue that most Dem's and Republicans agree on, with the exception of our elected officials.

BTW if this country is so full of these "un-American", law abiding, xenophobes how did Barrack Hussein Obama get elected?

asinine post........how did Obama get elected...perhaps because he is ligit!!

No that's not it.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

One of a million different things depending on how we do it, why do you ask?

Eskimospy, you are so evasive, almost like you have no idea what you are talking about.

He knows what he's talking about, he just won't come out and say it. His goal is not to advance his agenda honestly, it's to advance his agenda by way of destroying the credibility of others and stifling debate. You will not see meaningful ideas or solutions from him, only accusations and obfuscation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

One of a million different things depending on how we do it, why do you ask?

Eskimospy, you are so evasive, almost like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let me guess.......you do know what you are talking about?...lol

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

US immigration law has been used as a vehicle to enforce xenophobia for a long, long time.

Immigration law allows us to control who can and can't immigrate into our country. I fail to see how anybody (but a fool) can think that allowing anybody and everybody in our country is a good idea? We need to control our boarders, it's just that plain and simple.

Who thinks that allowing anybody and everybody into our country is a good idea?

If we give the current 20 MILLION illegals amnesty and don't seal our border, WTF do YOU think will happen??

One of a million different things depending on how we do it, why do you ask?

Eskimospy, you are so evasive, almost like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let me guess.......you do know what you are talking about?...lol

I have a bit of first hand knowledge, how about you.. do you know what you are talking about?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

Wait, which side are you on? Aren't leftists the ones who want a "living wage," health benefits, legal protections, and union rights, for all workers? Sounds to me like you are the one who wants to continue to exploit these laborers in our factories.

There are a lot of people like Eskimospy who like having the brown people scrape out a meager existence in this country so that certain goods and services remain cheap. Besides, where would these people be without a permanent underclass to exploit politically as well?

Maybe you two political geniuses should sit down for a second and see if you can puzzle out how someone can be against draconian border enforcement, but not be for exploitation of laborers in our factories.

Well what else are we to expect of you when all you can muster regarding illegal immigration are mindless cries of xenophobia? Sounds like a cover to me... I think you aim to exploit these people politically and economically.

American nativism and xenophobia has a well established historical precedent, and the views expressed on this forum frequently parrot the arguments put forth by nativist elements in our society. It's hardly mindless, it's an easily identifiable cycle of American history. You should go read about it sometime.

Now you think I'm part of some nefarious scheme to exploit immigrants politically and economically? I'd love to hear what you think the details of my master plan are. Stop being silly about this, you're just trying to find a counter-accusation because the xenophobia charge hits a little close to home.

Once you read up on legal immigrant requirements I would be more than happy to engage you. If, that is, you still have the same opinion. Until then, theres no point. Youre arguing your point against something you know nothing about.

Do you realize that near half of the illegal population were legal?s that did it the right way then chose not to leave when it was time and or otherwise violated their visa?

Did you know you must be the recipient of a job offer from a US company to apply for an H-2 temporary work visa? Do you realize that most all requests for low skill temporary- seasonal workers by US companies are for farm workers?

Even though we are issuing 66,000 such visas a year we still have a shortage of farm workers.

Why?

They come in under the pretext of working for a farmer then jump ship without approval to do other jobs, jobs Americans will do and do do.

Construction companies, hotels, motels, restaurants, manufactures, factories etc? do not petition for low skill temporary- seasonal workers. So when you so all those ?legal?s? occupying such jobs they are likely violating their visas, taking jobs from Americans, jobs they are not supposed business doing, and driving wages and benefits in to the toilet in doing so. Which is adversely affecting America?s own low skill work force because the job market is so saturated they can?t get jobs, end up on welfare which burdens all Americans.

Not only do we need to remove most here illegally we have to make the rules for getting in and getting to stay far more stringent. i.e. Any visa violations should result in immediate deportation with no chance of re-entry.

We are way way to lax in the protection of our sovereignty and way of life, we have completely lost sight of what it is to be a American, we are giving rights and leeway to illegal immigrants that we would never have ourselves.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Socio

Do you realize that near half of the illegal population were legal?s that did it the right way then chose not to leave when it was time and or otherwise violated their visa?

You mean of work visa's? Or do you mean of all visa types? I find 50% a little high.

Originally posted by: Socio
Did you know you must be the recipient of a job offer from a US company to apply for an H-2 temporary work visa? Do you realize that most all requests for low skill temporary- seasonal workers by US companies are for farm workers?

Yes I know that. Did you know when you apply for an H2 you must show proof of an intent to return to your home country on expiration of the visa as qualification? Did you know a worker with an H2 visa can stay up to 2 years, and if in that time he/she finds another job they can petition themselves as a nonimmigrant worker?

Originally posted by: Socio
Even though we are issuing 66,000 such visas a year we still have a shortage of farm workers.

Why?

They come in under the pretext of working for a farmer then jump ship without approval to do other jobs, jobs Americans will do and do do.

See my note above regarding petition for nonimmigrant worker.

Originally posted by: Socio
Construction companies, hotels, motels, restaurants, manufactures, factories etc? do not petition for low skill temporary- seasonal workers. So when you so all those ?legal?s? occupying such jobs they are likely violating their visas, taking jobs from Americans, jobs they are not supposed business doing, and driving wages and benefits in to the toilet in doing so. Which is adversely affecting America?s own low skill work force because the job market is so saturated they can?t get jobs, end up on welfare which burdens all Americans.

Not only do we need to remove most here illegally we have to make the rules for getting in and getting to stay far more stringent. i.e. Any visa violations should result in immediate deportation with no chance of re-entry.

We are way way to lax in the protection of our sovereignty and way of life, we have completely lost sight of what it is to be a American, we are giving rights and leeway to illegal immigrants that we would never have ourselves.

Agree.

 

[fskimospy]

Blackangst, you're going to act like you won't engage me until I know more about immigration, but you don't even know that more than 50% of all illegal immigration comes from visa overstays? Seems like we both have a lot of reading to do.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: rudder
So there was a concensus in this thread that pelosi was a fruitcake. Saying immigration raids were unamerican.

One of the arguments we always hear about offering amnesty is because the illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do. I always argued back that they are doing jobs at wages American workers can't work at.

So here is a study that shows wages of American workers increase after immigration raids.

Article

Now I wish ICE would come around here and let American workers get back into the construction industry.

Interesting that you want to decrease competition in the labor market, driving up prices. I thought you guys were all about competition?

I for one find our current xenophobia to be deeply un-American. Actually now that I think about it, xenophobia is very American. Every generation has it's immigrant group that they demonize as heralding the end of the republic. Ben Franklin had his German-Americans, the 1800's had their Chinamen, we later had our Irish and our Italians, and now we have the central american brown scare.

IT'S NOT AN IMMIGRANT GROUP THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

knock knock knock is anyone home?

Competition? They are not legally even supposed to work here. Giving them a job is breaking the law. Competition? WTF.

Another over-educated gas bag that ignores what is staring him in the face so he gets to put down real American citizens that he happens to disagree with.

Who are you to call someone UNAMERICAN?

You clearly do not want our laws enforced. And many of your ilk pick and choose the good laws and the ones that are well not good enough for you. Public refferendums on gay marriage? 38-0 against gay marriage... yup too bad those don't count Let's take it to court and have a small group of elites decide... Gun laws somhow taking the weapons away from law abiding citizens is protecting the greater good. The last time I was assaulted it took the police 15minutes to get 7 blocks. Yes I lived on Main St itself 7 blocks away from the station. What happens if you live 15 miles away? How about 10 miles? Better yet Cabrini Green? You better be packing more than a Louisville Slugger.

I could go on but I have better things to do...

 

[piasabird]

California likes a 2 class system with slave laborers.

All bow down to queen Pelosi.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: piasabird
California likes a 2 class system with slave laborers.

All bow down to queen Pelosi.

I guess they ran out of Okies a while back...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

I have a bit of first hand knowledge, how about you.. do you know what you are talking about?

Sure you do. I've lived right next to the busiest border crossing on the entire planet for a decade or so now, I've had quite a few classes on immigration, and I have a close friend who works for US Customs.

Apparently I shouldn't have mentioned to blackangst earlier that I don't feel qualified to speak on exactly how we should achieve comprehensive immigration reform, because people on here have taken that to mean that I was saying I don't know anything about immigration.

As for EXman, I have no idea how to respond to your rambling, incoherent post. (what the hell do gay marriage and gun control have to do with this?) I lived in Chicago, and I've been to Cabrini Green. As far as 'real American citizens' go, that term is stupid but I spent the better part of a decade in the military, and I actually went to war fighting for fools like you.