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Ray Rice Cut By Ravens

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z1ggy said:
I meant just in general, he is large by default because he is an NFL running back. His legs are the size of small trees.

I agree, it's kind of a double standard but it's really the only situation he would not be losing his job over (another grown man hitting him). Any woman, any child, and any geriatric, would receive the same amount of shit thrown at him. So really, it's kind of hypocritical and sexist when men beat up other men, seeing as any other type of person would land them in doo-doo.
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Exactly, smack is a tard for thinking that height dictates how hard you can hit someone, especially elite athletes. Barry Sanders was 5-6 and could have knocked any one of the clowns out in this thread. Or Dan Green at 5-8. http://youtu.be/saNqV1j68l4 Rice ran a 4.3, benched 225 for 23 reps and had a 39.5 vertical. He would destroy any of you.
 
More and more, the question that is needed to be asked is whether something like nfl belongs in a civilized society, even one as violent as ours?
 
squarecut1 said:
More and more, the question that is needed to be asked is whether something like nfl belongs in a civilized society, even one as violent as ours?
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In our quickly degrading society, the NFL is one of the more civilized institutions. Some guy hitting a woman in an elevator has nothing to do with the NFL.
 
Carson Dyle said:
In our quickly degrading society, the NFL is one of the more civilized institutions. Some guy hitting a woman in an elevator has nothing to do with the NFL.
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Nobody views it that way. Companies have discovered a long time ago that their employees are representations of their companies. What an NFL player does off the field reflects just as much as his play on the field on the team and the organization as a whole. The NFL wants to be a league of upstanding players, not a bunch of overpaid thugs.
 
smackababy said:
Nobody views it that way. Companies have discovered a long time ago that their employees are representations of their companies. What an NFL player does off the field reflects just as much as his play on the field on the team and the organization as a whole. The NFL wants to be a league of upstanding players, not a bunch of overpaid thugs.
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You're wrong. If the NFL were a company of 20 people, maybe it would be more like you want to believe. But it's comprised of hundreds of players and thousands of employees. What counts is how the NFL disciplines someone who has violated some code of conduct. I guarantee you the NFL's code is far stricter than all but a few employers in existence.
 
smackababy said:
Nobody views it that way. Companies have discovered a long time ago that their employees are representations of their companies. What an NFL player does off the field reflects just as much as his play on the field on the team and the organization as a whole. The NFL wants to be a league of upstanding players, not a bunch of overpaid thugs.
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Then the NFL needs to stop drafting and paying grown men millions who have barely an 8th grade education, have been treated as walking gods for most of their formative years, have had multiple rule violations (assaults, drug, DUI, thefts, etc), and can't string 3 or 4 words together to make coherent sentences.

So, I would argue that the NFL does not want to be a league of upstanding players because the fan base and society has indicated that they don't want upstanding players...they just want players...any type will do.

Ray Rice will be back in uniform before the year is out. His lawyers and their lawsuits will see to that.
 
Carson Dyle said:
You're wrong. If the NFL were a company of 20 people, maybe it would be more like you want to believe. But it's comprised of hundreds of players and thousands of employees. What counts is how the NFL disciplines someone who has violated some code of conduct. I guarantee you the NFL's code is far stricter than all but a few employers in existence.
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What are you talking about? How are any of your reasons contradicting to what I've said? If someone is part of any company (except, maybe congress...) and they have an incident that receives a lot of publicity, they are terminated. The NFL is represented by who it employs. Every time Aldon Smith gets arrested again, people look at the Niners and think "wow a wonderful team, hiring all those criminals". That reflects very poorly on the NFL.

Work for a large company and do something stupid in the public eye. Want to bet money on if you're fired or not? That wouldn't really be a safe bet for me to take though, as you wouldn't have the money to pay me when you lost.
 
angminas said:
Here's the sequence of events as I saw it.

1. She lightly backhands him outside the elevator.
2. They get in the elevator.
3. Smack is probably talked in both directions.
4. He lightly punches her in the face.
5. She comes at him, but yelling, not with fists to his face or car keys to his eyes.
6. He knocks her out.
7. He can't be bothered to drag her completely out of the elevator, leaving her feet and then her hair at risk of being caught in the doors.

Am I missing anything?
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Yeah

1. She hits him (and is therefore fair game for retaliation)
2. Agreed
3. Conjecture
4. He hits her as retaliation to her prior assault on him.
5. She still doesn't get it and goes after him again
6. He defends himself so he won't be a victim of abuse from her again
7. Doesn't matter/has nothing to do with the assault.
 
TheFamilyMan said:
I would wager you are wrong on that one. It is, more than likely, the other way around.
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You don't get suspended by most employers for getting a DUI. In fact, most employers will never know. Only if driving is vital to your job, is it a different story. Most employers don't do drug testing. Few would fire or suspend you for getting into a bar fight. You're not likely to get fired for punching a drunk at 2AM.

The fact that every off-field infraction of an NFL player, whether it's serious or trivial, instantly beomes national news, makes the NFL's code of conduct that much more stringent. You can't get away with much once it hits the press.
 
Carson Dyle said:
You don't get suspended by most employers for getting a DUI. In fact, most employers will never know. Only if driving is vital to your job, is it a different story. Most employers don't do drug testing. Few would fire or suspend you for getting into a bar fight. You're not likely to get fired for punching a drunk at 2AM.

The fact that every off-field infraction of an NFL player, whether it's serious or trivial, instantly beomes national news, makes the NFL's code of conduct that much more stringent. You can't get away with much once it hits the press.
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But, if I made national news for punching a drunk at 2AM, would I get fired or not? And, plenty of employers drug test.
 
Carson Dyle said:
You don't get suspended by most employers for getting a DUI. In fact, most employers will never know. Only if driving is vital to your job, is it a different story. Most employers don't do drug testing. Few would fire or suspend you for getting into a bar fight. You're not likely to get fired for punching a drunk at 2AM. The fact that every off-field infraction of an NFL player, whether it's serious or trivial, instantly beomes national news, makes the NFL's code of conduct that much more stringent. You can't get away with much once it hits the press.
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You are right obviously. He is just full of typical American ignorance.
 
I still am wondering why he did not know how to do a firemans carry instead of that weak dragging. And he stopped because a security guard noticed him.
 
slag said:
4. He hits her as retaliation to her prior assault on him.
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6. He defends himself so he won't be a victim of abuse from her again
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Let's see what Maryland self-defense laws say about that:

The law of self-defense justifies an act done in the reasonable belief of immediate danger. If an injury was done by a defendant in justifiable self-defense, he can neither be punished criminally nor held responsible for damages in a civil action. . . . One who seeks to justify an assault on the ground that he acted in self-defense must show that he used no more force than the exigency reasonably demanded. The belief of a defendant in an action for assault that the plaintiff intended to do him bodily harm cannot support a plea of self-defense unless it was such a belief as a person of average prudence would entertain under similar circumstances. The jury should accordingly be instructed that to justify assault and battery in self-defense the circumstances must be such as would have induced a reaonable man of average prudence to make such an assault in order to protect himself. The question whether the belief of the defendant that he was about to be injured was a reasonable one under all the circumstances is a question for the consideration of the jury.

Id., 179 Md. at 600-01, 20 A.2d at 487.


The Court of Appeals said in the case that, even if the plaintiff had struck the defendant's employees first, the plaintiff would still be entitled to prevail in an action for battery if the defendant's employees, in repelling the plaintiff's acts, "used unreasonable and excessive force, meaning such force as prudent men would not have used under all the circumstances of the case." Id., 179 Md. at 600, 20 A.2d at 487.
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Did he have the right to restrain her and/or file charges against her later? Sure. But his actions were clearly far beyond "reasonable", given their respective physiques.
 
Respective physiques as a concept is so abused by zealots considering it does not take into account the mental or emotional characteristics or strengths of the human in question. Also does not take into account instinctual responses.
 
norseamd said:
Respective physiques as a concept is so abused by zealots considering it does not take into account the mental or emotional characteristics or strengths of the human in question. Also does not take into account instinctual responses.
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Huh? None of the above justifies his actions, either morally or legally or in any kind of concept of self defense.

Anyway the thug can play with a ball. So he is rich and famous and nothing will happen to him
 
It is downright sickening, and a sad indicator of the decay of our society, that such scum are revered by millions because they are the pushers who give the addicts their dose of sports highs
 
NFL sending a message through Rice for all the crap NFL players do off field.


Weak.

Rice can recover on field, shame was already delivered by release of video.
 
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