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Jhhnn

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It's about jobs and the economy, look around... Obama is the 4th worst prez in history regarding GDP growth. Trump's company has a higher profit margin than Apple and he has the most dominant personality (leader) of the 17 candidates. Despite the media and Republican establishment spending millions upon millions in ads and coalitions to stop him, he still won. And he won the nomination faster than hillary to boot.

"Jobs & the economy" is just a smokescreen for the culture warriors. Trump's primary voters are generally better off than most Americans-

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

Trump's candidacy is the distillation of every bad bigoted joke ever told in this country & the insecurity of diminished middle class privilege. It's the authoritarian love of strong leadership in all its glory.

At a multiplicity of levels, it's an attempt to deny reality.
 

zinfamous

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This sort of thing seems to inevitably become insufferable. People are emotionally invested in their political sports team winning so they naturally ignore inconvenient information and cling to information that tells them what they want to hear. I do the same thing every year when I convince myself that the Eagles will somehow win the super bowl.

Hey, at least you and Sp33dy have that in common.

Do you also think that Sam Bradford is a top 3 QB today based on some horseshit metric that no one uses and likewise doesn't apply to any of the legitimate top 10 QBs?

:D
 

zinfamous

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Isn't it funny that despite her "credentials", her woman card, her man - whore and allegedly rapist husband, that she just can't convincingly beat a loser socialist and a "bloviating" centrist?

What does that tell you?

You're going to lose and your meltdown will be epic.

Bill Clinton is an alleged rapist? That's news.

Drumpfilstiltskin raped Ivana, according to Ivana in her own bio.

You obviously believe the story you prefer to believe.
 

Genx87

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No, it's where you ignore the fact that the Bush Admin. asked for the AUMF saying it was needed for negotiation purposes with the promise that it would only be used as a last resort and then proceeded to break that promise.

This is a really silly excuse. I expected a better spin than this. Hillary was duped by Bush is your spin?

Sounds like a great campaign slogan.
 

Jhhnn

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No, it's where you ignore the fact that the Bush Admin. asked for the AUMF saying it was needed for negotiation purposes with the promise that it would only be used as a last resort and then proceeded to break that promise.

If he doesn't understand that by now he never will. He apparently can't. When conservative heads get stuck in loops, they stay that way. It's the oft exploited side of loyalty.
 

Blackjack200

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Hey, at least you and Sp33dy have that in common.

Do you also think that Sam Bradford is a top 3 QB today based on some horseshit metric that no one uses and likewise doesn't apply to any of the legitimate top 10 QBs?

:D

Haha, seriously? Is that true? What's the metric? I used to live in Philly and the fans were so pissed when Chip Kelly blew up that roster :D

That guy was hated by the end.
 

Jhhnn

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This is a really silly excuse. I expected a better spin than this. Hillary was duped by Bush is your spin?

Sounds like a great campaign slogan.

Not just Hillary. Most of the country at the time. Or are you not old enough to remember?
 

fskimospy

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Hey, at least you and Sp33dy have that in common.

Do you also think that Sam Bradford is a top 3 QB today based on some horseshit metric that no one uses and likewise doesn't apply to any of the legitimate top 10 QBs?

:D

I wish he were, but basically all evidence points to him being a pretty average quarterback. That doesn't mean that I won't find some stupid reason to be optimistic this fall though! Maybe we can pull a NY Giants and limp a mediocre team into the playoffs and then ride our pretty good defense all the way.

Odds of that happening? About 99%. SUPER BOWL, BABY.
 

zinfamous

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That's news? Where the fuck have you been?

Obviously not reading whatever hackneyed conspiracy shit you force-feed down your gullet.

But seriously, what the holy horseshit are you talking about? Everyone knows that Clinton is a wild and unabashed philanderer (something that people don't care to reason with is that he and Hillary almost certainly had a rather open and tolerant relationship regarding this...but it was never "popular" in politics, so you get the circus), but a rapist?

lol, I would like to see your "absolute certainty" to this compared to the rape allegations out of Ivana's mouth.
 

zinfamous

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Haha, seriously? Is that true? What's the metric? I used to live in Philly and the fans were so pissed when Chip Kelly blew up that roster :D

That guy was hated by the end.

You'd have to go back to the various weekly football threads from last season, but dude is a rabid Bradford nut-muncher--which clearly only started after that disastrous trade. It goes along with Sp33dy though--whatever it takes to convince himself that the reality of the life around him is perfect and all is right with how he demands it should be.

shit, he's probably going to PM me again after this post to call his wife or something. :\
 

sm625

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Obamacare Disaster said:
Starting in Virginia, Anthem Inc and Carefirst BlueCross BlueShield are proposing 15.8% and 25% increases respectively. In Oregon, the increases are stunning to say the least. Providence Health Plan, currently the largest insurer for people buying coverage through the Oregon health exchange, is seeking an average increase of 29.6%. Not to be outdone, Moda Health Plan Inc, another large insurer for the state, is proposing a premium increase of 32.3% - this is after a 25% hike last year.

All trump has to do is wait for these price increases to hit.
 

fskimospy

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All trump has to do is wait for these price increases to hit.

Requested price increases do not remotely equate to actual price increases and overall premiums are below estimates from when the legislation was passed. Why did you not mention either of those things?

I think you might want to expand your news sources.
 

echo4747

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So did he lie when he said those things or is he lying now? You can't have it both ways i.e. you can't sell me that bridge.

I don't recall trump specifically saying saying he would prosecute women who were raped and wished to have an abortion. (If I am wrong could you cite the source) As it stands... abortion is legal in the US. I'm pretty sure you need to be accused of breaking the law in order to be prosecuted.
 

Exophase

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Obviously not reading whatever hackneyed conspiracy shit you force-feed down your gullet.

But seriously, what the holy horseshit are you talking about? Everyone knows that Clinton is a wild and unabashed philanderer (something that people don't care to reason with is that he and Hillary almost certainly had a rather open and tolerant relationship regarding this...but it was never "popular" in politics, so you get the circus), but a rapist?

lol, I would like to see your "absolute certainty" to this compared to the rape allegations out of Ivana's mouth.

The rape accusation came from Juanita Broaddrick:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

I don't see anything that would make it less credible than Ivana's accusation. If anything I would consider Broaddrick's accusation more credible because a witness attested to her upset state and lip injury. Both Broaddrick and Ivana denied the accusations, but Broaddrick was recorded saying that she would deny it because she didn't want to ruin her name and didn't think it was possible to take down Bill, and she later turned on this.

At any rate, Hillary shouldn't be held accountable for her husband's actions, true or not. Broaddrick did however make Hillary appear to be complicit or at least aware of the action and if true that doesn't reflect very well on her. Guess it's moot since we'll never really know.
 

Blackjack200

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Indus

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I don't recall trump specifically saying saying he would prosecute women who were raped and wished to have an abortion. (If I am wrong could you cite the source) As it stands... abortion is legal in the US. I'm pretty sure you need to be accused of breaking the law in order to be prosecuted.

He did on MSNBC with Chris Matthews. And it was discussed heavily on the sunday talk shows.

Regarding abortion being legal, I know that but didn't the conservaterrorists put 2 asian women in jail for abortions? I don't remember the names but I think 1 state was Indiana.
 

theeedude

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This is gonna be like 2012. Republicans will have faith in the polls right until they get decimated.
 

Exophase

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He did on MSNBC with Chris Matthews. And it was discussed heavily on the sunday talk shows.

Regarding abortion being legal, I know that but didn't the conservaterrorists put 2 asian women in jail for abortions? I don't remember the names but I think 1 state was Indiana.

Trump said that women should be prosecuted in the completely hypothetical scenario of abortion being illegal. This context is highly relevant. I agree with it on at least some level, even though I'm not anti-abortion like Trump now claims to be. I had no idea that the standard Republican position to not hold women accountable for their abortions even when they liken it to murder. I'm guessing Trump didn't either, probably because he hasn't been much of a Republican.

I don't understand the logic behind making abortion illegal but not giving the women who voluntarily participate in it any culpability. All I can think of is is that it's a compromise to make the prospect more palatable or that it's done with the mentality that women don't fully understand the consequences of their actions and therefore should be held to lower legal standards like children.
 

fskimospy

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Trump said that women should be prosecuted in the completely hypothetical scenario of abortion being illegal. This context is highly relevant. I agree with it on at least some level, even though I'm not anti-abortion like Trump now claims to be. I had no idea that the standard Republican position to not hold women accountable for their abortions even when they liken it to murder. I'm guessing Trump didn't either, probably because he hasn't been much of a Republican.

I don't understand the logic behind making abortion illegal but not giving the women who voluntarily participate in it any culpability. All I can think of is is that it's a compromise to make the prospect more palatable or that it's done with the mentality that women don't fully understand the consequences of their actions and therefore should be held to lower legal standards like children.

To be fair it was not hypothetical at all, it was this:

MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?

TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.

MATTHEWS: For the woman.

TRUMP: Yeah, there has to be some form.

He was not asking him as a hypothetical if it was already illegal, Trump very clearly stated earlier that he thought it should be illegal and that women should be punished for getting an abortion.

I personally agree with you. I find the pro-life argument to be almost entirely illogical, but particularly I agree the idea where someone thinks abortion is murder but only wants to penalize the doctor is ridiculous. If it's murder then why not punish both parties? I mean she is basically paying the doctor like a hit man. (in the eyes of a pro-life person) Political expediency is the only thing that explains it.
 

Exophase

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He was not asking him as a hypothetical if it was already illegal, Trump very clearly stated earlier that he thought it should be illegal and that women should be punished for getting an abortion.

Okay, I can see how that follows. It's really hard to decipher because like a lot of Trump's exchanges it's part of a really long, vague, confusing and rambling mess. The part about it being a response to a hypothetical was how the campaign clarified it later, whether or not that's what he actually meant at the time I really couldn't say.

Trump is actually pretty impressive in how blatant and cavalier he is in his flip-flopping. Not just in his abortion stance, which you could sort of say happened over years, but over a bunch of stuff during the actual election cycle. Like how he throws all of these insults at people when they're his opponents then says they're actually good folks when they drop out or endorse him. And he says straight up it's just politics and not a big deal. So brazen. I wonder how many people actually respect him more because of this insanity.

I personally agree with you. I find the pro-life argument to be almost entirely illogical, but particularly I agree the idea where someone thinks abortion is murder but only wants to penalize the doctor is ridiculous. If it's murder then why not punish both parties? I mean she is basically paying the doctor like a hit man. (in the eyes of a pro-life person) Political expediency is the only thing that explains it.

Well, in this case (yeah, I know) I actually think the misogyny angle holds some weight. Anti-abortion stances are really old and the "don't punish the woman" line appears to also be very old. It was probably easy to believe that the women were always victims of being tricked or pressured into getting the abortions. That and they don't want to hurt women because they "went through enough" by losing the child - not understanding at all that the women generally wouldn't have seen it that way in the first place.

Another strange argument is that the pro-life movement was always heralded for women, making it pro-women and apparently that's supposed to mean that women shouldn't be punished. Like so:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-camosy-real-pro-lifers-don-punish-women-article-1.2583258

Of course anyone who is really pro-woman wouldn't want them to get infantilizing special treatment. That article also tries to argue that abortion is a product of male privilege, which is just... yeah.
 
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echo4747

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He did on MSNBC with Chris Matthews. And it was discussed heavily on the sunday talk shows.

Regarding abortion being legal, I know that but didn't the conservaterrorists put 2 asian women in jail for abortions? I don't remember the names but I think 1 state was Indiana.

On Chris Matthews it was asked that : If abortion was implied : ILLEGAL.... Donald Trump even if elected pres can not outlaw abortion

anyway my point is: I find the notion that raped women that have abortions getting thrown in jail on account of a Trump presidency... silly and far-fetched
 
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