Rape victim is coveted status - George Wills

[brycejones]

Did you take a look in the mirror?

Oh come on you can do better than that......aren't you at least a bit brighter than incorruptible?

 

[michal1980]

The "legitimate" rape crowd strikes again. Although I am beginning to understand why some of our more "conservative" members are always so angry. They must be as repulsive in real life and can't get women to look at them twice let alone get laid. Well that and still living in mom's basement is probably a turn off to.

projecting?

 

[brycejones]

projecting?

Nope calling it like it is. Say hi to your mom when you go upstairs.

 

[rommelrommel]

actually in this case the left has no sense of gray.

chicks statement "I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.”

Could mean she said "i'm tired not now"

Plus if she didn't want the guy around, why the fuck is she in bed with him?

Does the woman in question arguably having poor judgement preclude this from being rape?

Or in other words, how bad of a neighbourhood would I have to be in for a robbery to become consensual charity?

 

[michal1980]

Does the woman in question arguably having poor judgement preclude this from being rape?

Or in other words, how bad of a neighbourhood would I have to be in for a robbery to become consensual charity?

Bla Bla Bla.

This is a weak sauce case that we are only hearing one side of, and yet you fools on the left are ready to give this chicklet the benefit of the doubt. Why?

Just because a woman screams rape doesn't automatically make it true.

 

[rommelrommel]

Bla Bla Bla.

This is a weak sauce case that we are only hearing one side of, and yet you fools on the left are ready to give this chicklet the benefit of the doubt. Why?

Just because a woman screams rape doesn't automatically make it true.

Aside from those involved, who cares about the veracity of this particular case? She could be lying. I haven't even expressed an opinion nor am I "on the left."

The bigger issue is that people seem unable to grasp what consent is and that there can be a lack of consent in the absense of a violent rape.

 

[jackstar7]

because women never lie about being raped.

I'm saying that in this case the chick is not making a good case for rape, unless you know

kind of no actually means no. and she thought they agreed to not sleep together

Your giving this accuser far more power then she deserves.

Cant you find a more clear cut case of 'rape' then this girl?

You're whining that as an accuser of rape she has... too much power?

Seriously?

DON'T get into a position where whatever you're doing could be construed as rape. Don't be a fucking asshole.

The anecdotal nonsense about false accusations pales in comparison to the number of unreported assaults, so women are still on the short end of that power dynamic. And your complaints about that dynamic display all your insecurities. Nicely done, dipshit.

 

[nehalem256]

So you think in the case of rape there should be a gray zone?

Because I think it's better for everyone to err on the side of not raping someone.

If there is no gray zone on what constitutes rape. Why is there any need to "err on the side of not raping someone"?

You're whining that as an accuser of rape she has... too much power?

Seriously?

DON'T get into a position where whatever you're doing could be construed as rape. Don't be a fucking asshole.

The anecdotal nonsense about false accusations pales in comparison to the number of unreported assaults, so women are still on the short end of that power dynamic. And your complaints about that dynamic display all your insecurities. Nicely done, dipshit.

Seems like an admission of the truth. Liberals want to redefine being an asshole as being a rapist.

 

[jackstar7]

If there is no gray zone on what constitutes rape. Why is there any need to "err on the side of not raping someone"?

Seems like an admission of the truth. Liberals want to redefine being an asshole as being a rapist.

I believe I've told you this before, but it appears you didn't take the advice:

Go fuck yourself.

 

[mrjminer]

Her story reeks of bullshit.

 

[pcgeek11]

Consider the supposed campus epidemic of rape, a.k.a. “sexual assault.” Herewith, a Philadelphia magazine report about Swarthmore College, where in 2013 a student “was in her room with a guy with whom she’d been hooking up for three months”:

“They’d now decided — mutually, she thought — just to be friends. When he ended up falling asleep on her bed, she changed into pajamas and climbed in next to him. Soon, he was putting his arm around her and taking off her clothes. ‘I basically said, “No, I don’t want to have sex with you.” And then he said, “OK, that’s fine” and stopped. . . . And then he started again a few minutes later, taking off my panties, taking off his boxers. I just kind of laid there and didn’t do anything — I had already said no. I was just tired and wanted to go to bed. I let him finish. I pulled my panties back on and went to sleep.’”

Six weeks later, the woman reported that she had been raped.

"I Let him finish" implies consent.

Why did she wait six weeks?

 

[michal1980]

"I Let him finish" implies consent.

Why did she wait six weeks?

probably talked to some feminists that think all men are rapist's all the time.

or jealous because he did move on and didn't want to sleep with here again.

 

[michal1980]

You're whining that as an accuser of rape she has... too much power?

Seriously?

DON'T get into a position where whatever you're doing could be construed as rape. Don't be a fucking asshole.

The anecdotal nonsense about false accusations pales in comparison to the number of unreported assaults, so women are still on the short end of that power dynamic. And your complaints about that dynamic display all your insecurities. Nicely done, dipshit.

Duke

 

[Veliko]

"I Let him finish" implies consent.

Not in the context of the rest of the scenario it doesn't.

Why did she wait six weeks?

Not really sure why this is even relevant, some instances of rape aren't reported for decades. Sexual crimes have a tendency to make the victim feel ashamed of themselves, leading them to consider it their own fault.

 

[Matt1970]

Not in the context of the rest of the scenario it doesn't.

What context makes that not sound like consent? It fits right in with her putting jammies on and climbing into bed with him. It fits right in with her waiting 6 weeks to report it.

 

[Veliko]

What context makes that not sound like consent?

For a start there's the part where she told him she didn't sex. And then there's the other bit where she reported it as rape.

The best case scenario for a woman saying "I Let him finish" is that of a bored wife or girlfriend begrudgingly consenting to their partner's request, so why anyone is trying to make out that this particular case isn't rape is baffling.

It fits right in with her putting jammies on and climbing into bed with him. It fits right in with her waiting 6 weeks to report it.

What does any of this have to do with it?

 

[Matt1970]

For a start there's the part where she told him she didn't sex. And then there's the other bit where she reported it as rape.

The best case scenario for a woman saying "I Let him finish" is that of a bored wife or girlfriend begrudgingly consenting to their partner's request, so why anyone is trying to make out that this particular case isn't rape is baffling.



What does any of this have to do with it?

Oh I see, reporting it as rape is context but her waiting 6 weeks to report it has nothing to do with it. Appreciate your honesty.

 

[nehalem256]

The best case scenario for a woman saying "I Let him finish" is that of a bored wife or girlfriend begrudgingly consenting to their partner's request, so why anyone is trying to make out that this particular case isn't rape is baffling.

The first bolded is basically why it by definition isn't rape. Being bored of the sex isn't rape.

Basically the story reads like someone who doesn't want to be annoyed by her partners nagging for sex so she consents. Nagging for sex isn't rape.

 

[Veliko]

Oh I see, reporting it as rape is context but her waiting 6 weeks to report it has nothing to do with it. Appreciate your honesty.

No, it has nothing to do with it at all. She could have waited 6 minutes, 6 days, 6 months, or 6 years to report it, but it wouldn't make any difference at all.

 

[Veliko]

The first bolded is basically why it by definition isn't rape. Being bored of the sex isn't rape.

Basically the story reads like someone who doesn't want to be annoyed by her partners nagging for sex so she consents. Nagging for sex isn't rape.

I never said it was, I said it was the best case scenario... and the story we're talking about most certainly isn't a best case scenario.

 

[alzan]

"I Let him finish" implies consent.

Why did she wait six weeks?

It only implies consent to those who didn't read the selective snippets contained within the opinion piece quoted in the OP. She distinctly told her ex-boyfriend she did not want sex.

Persons who have experienced any form of sexual assault up to and including rape often feel humiliated, afraid, etc., which can keep them from reporting the assault immediately.

 

[nehalem256]

It only implies consent to those who didn't read the selective snippets contained within the opinion piece quoted in the OP. She distinctly told her ex-boyfriend she did not want sex.

No she didn't.

She "basically" told him no. And then she "kind of" just laid their and let him undress her. She is clearly using terms to fudge what happened. If you have to fudge the facts to try and make it look like rape; it isn't rape.

 

[justoh]

Aren't the facts enough to warrant a little caution before calling for someone to face rape charges, which, along with all the other implications, carries with it, according to wiki, an average sentence of 12 years?

There's really no reasonable doubt here? That's why they're calling for a civil standard of evidence. Much easier then to say, ok, it's probably a rape, instead of definitely. Crazy overreaction, even if it is very difficult to get a conviction in bone fide cases.

Why does nahelem, of all people, seem to have a more just opinion here?

 

[Veliko]

No she didn't.

She "basically" told him no. And then she "kind of" just laid their and let him undress her. She is clearly using terms to fudge what happened. If you have to fudge the facts to try and make it look like rape; it isn't rape.

The mental illness is strong in this one.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is a far more controversial topic than I realized. Made worse by certain deplorable arguments a few members have made here.

We started off with a specific case to examine and the evidence involved is damning to any legal system to try and act on. I have always been quite concerned by cases with serious consequences that ultimately come down to two people giving their stories. The only reason I'm not jumping for justice is because I have no evidentiary basis, no objective means of discerning it in such a case.

Lack of consent is wrong, and damn anyone who says otherwise. People are right to be angry, but my argument will find no reception while others start such fury. See you in another topic.