RANT: Things every student getting into the computers field *should* know.

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS


<-- just joshing

He speaks the truth. CS people get all upset about this since they like to look down on others, but don't like others looking down on them!

nobody likes to be wrongfully looked down upon

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

Personally, I don't think CE requires a lot of math, but you're usually required to take a lot of math. Compared to some other engineering disciplines, it usually requires less math.

Well I don't know about at your school but CEs here need to take the following math classes:

Linear Algebra (not the high-school level stuff, real linear algebra)
Differential Equations
Intermediate Calc
Advanced Calc
Complex Variables & transforms
Signals and Systems I & II (let's face it, those are math classes)
Discrete Variables

that's quite a few math courses if you ask me

I said they take a lot, but don't use too much in their courses Personally I don't think they use too much math in their fields. What fields of CompE are mathematically intensive?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS


<-- just joshing

He speaks the truth. CS people get all upset about this since they like to look down on others, but don't like others looking down on them!

nobody likes to be wrongfully looked down upon

Then why do CS people look down on those MIS/CIS people?

 

[Martin]

Actually, its more like EE ~= CE > CS >> *

First two years of EE/CE are the same here, third year is ~70% identical, only 4th year is really different. But neither is harder or easier. While EEs take semiconductor physics, CEs do operating systems etc.

Now CE and CS, those are different animals. There is a good reason why the average for CS is much lower and class size much bigger. CS has more programming, but its considerably easier than CE. Thus, a CE grad with software engineering option will know much more than a CS grad.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

Personally, I don't think CE requires a lot of math, but you're usually required to take a lot of math. Compared to some other engineering disciplines, it usually requires less math.

Well I don't know about at your school but CEs here need to take the following math classes:

Linear Algebra (not the high-school level stuff, real linear algebra)
Differential Equations
Intermediate Calc
Advanced Calc
Complex Variables & transforms
Signals and Systems I & II (let's face it, those are math classes)
Discrete Variables

that's quite a few math courses if you ask me

I said they take a lot, but don't use too much in their courses Personally I don't think they use too much math in their fields. What fields of CompE are mathematically intensive?

Nuts. I get the feeling that math is going to chase me down no matter what I choose for a major... stupid private education. Grr-age.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS


<-- just joshing

He speaks the truth. CS people get all upset about this since they like to look down on others, but don't like others looking down on them!

nobody likes to be wrongfully looked down upon

Then why do CS people look down on those MIS/CIS people?

in all seriousness, i don't think EE's are any smarter than CS majors at decent schools. at crappy schools, yea, CS is sh!tty because they think its just programming. but at a decent school (one with some amount of theory), its just that some people are good at calculus, continuous math (EE) while others are good at discrete (CS)

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

Personally, I don't think CE requires a lot of math, but you're usually required to take a lot of math. Compared to some other engineering disciplines, it usually requires less math.

Well I don't know about at your school but CEs here need to take the following math classes:

Linear Algebra (not the high-school level stuff, real linear algebra)
Differential Equations
Intermediate Calc
Advanced Calc
Complex Variables & transforms
Signals and Systems I & II (let's face it, those are math classes)
Discrete Variables

that's quite a few math courses if you ask me

I said they take a lot, but don't use too much in their courses Personally I don't think they use too much math in their fields. What fields of CompE are mathematically intensive?

Nuts. I get the feeling that math is going to chase me down no matter what I choose for a major... stupid private education. Grr-age.

you could always go business

 

[CanOWorms]

Personally, I'd say it's subjective on what's harder, but in a general sense, EE > CompE > CS. I'm an EE with a CS minor, currently obtaining my MSEE & thinking of switching my focus into CompE. I'm not going to spazz out and say CompE is harder than EE just because I'm thinking/going into that area.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: gopunk



in all seriousness, i don't think EE's are any smarter than CS majors at decent schools. at crappy schools, yea, CS is sh!tty because they think its just programming. but at a decent school (one with some amount of theory), its just that some people are good at calculus, continuous math (EE) while others are good at discrete (CS)

In good schools, EE students are good at both continous and discrete math . Let's face it, there are very few EEs that will go through their career without having to work with digital systems so we have to be good at discrete math too. Although you're right in that EE students don't pursue the same level of formalism in some parts of discrete math that CS students do.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS


<-- just joshing

He speaks the truth. CS people get all upset about this since they like to look down on others, but don't like others looking down on them!

nobody likes to be wrongfully looked down upon

Then why do CS people look down on those MIS/CIS people?

in all seriousness, i don't think EE's are any smarter than CS majors at decent schools. at crappy schools, yea, CS is sh!tty because they think its just programming. but at a decent school (one with some amount of theory), its just that some people are good at calculus, continuous math (EE) while others are good at discrete (CS)

Oh, I don't think EEs are smarter than CS majors. That's ridiculous. I think the programs might be more difficult in a general sense. I wouldn't say a person in engineering or science is smarter than someone in pottery, but that engineering/science is more difficult than pottery

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Oh, I don't think EEs are smarter than CS majors. That's ridiculous. I think the programs might be more difficult in a general sense. I wouldn't say a person in engineering or science is smarter than someone in pottery, but that engineering/science is more difficult than pottery

I agree completely, intelligence is not related to what program you're in.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS


<-- just joshing

He speaks the truth. CS people get all upset about this since they like to look down on others, but don't like others looking down on them!

nobody likes to be wrongfully looked down upon

Then why do CS people look down on those MIS/CIS people?

Crippling inferiority complex.

 

[Imdmn04]

CS or CE majors=textile workers of the 21st century

 

[TommyVercetti]

I am surprise that *one* person hasn't responded to any threads regarding CS/jobs whatever. I am amazed.

 

[d3n]

To be honest, I feel that it is all about the college name game. Weather its EE or CS or IT

How valuable is your schools reputation. Anyhting other than an Ivy leauge school it stands a good chance your employeer will only care if the schools name sounds close to an instituation they have heard of before. For Example New York university (NYU) and University of New York or, more accurately , City University of New York (CUNY)


Take an education for what its worth. To most people its a peice of paper. Hopefully they use it for what college was intended for. That being the foundation for further education.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
What about the networking peoples ? What are they ?

Networking as in coding with sockets, layers, writing software for wired and wireless data communication: Should be in CS. In any case, brothers-in-arms and I would unsheath my sword to protect them as if they were my own kin.

Networking as in designing but for some reason not contained within the CS major: First-cousins.

Networking as in help desk, technicians, guy who occasionally reboots and dusts off the servers (aka "admin"): You may exchange simple pleasantries but should not be associated with outside of one's place of work.

I would group Networking types as EE degrees weather anyone would care to admit it or not. Their profession deals allot closer to the physical layer of the OSI model than the application layer The telcos were the original networking giants... The bread and butter for these companies and the giants of today are EE types.

 

[radioactiveballpoint]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
So.... CS > CE > *? I was considering CE, because I want to have the 'Engineering" tacked onto my name. Always wanted to be an engineer. Unfortunately, My private education, well....

Edit: The college I'm thinking about has CE and CS... I take is CE is a bit harder, and you do more hardware?

It'd be nice to talk with people who have graduated from both. Anybody wants to help out an HS Junior who needs to look into majors and colleges, feel free to IM me(Phasmatis Nox).

I'm in my 3rd year at University of Texas right now. I was doing CE for a while and I recently switched to CS. They are completely different. CE is an electrical engineering degree. You build electrical circuits. You solve differential equations. You design chips, then program them in assembly and write small c/c++ programs. Computer Science is about programming. If you like computer hardware and like to fiddle with electronics and crap, do CE. If you like programming do CS. CE will give you a little bit of experience in doing programming, but DOES NOT provide a strong background in it. And don't look at CE as being "harder". You will do well at whatever you like doing, because if you like it, it you won't mind sitting down to do your work - and that is key.

 

[wviperw]

Actually, Computer Science, as a field of study, technically has to do with the theoretical side of things more than anything. It can almost be thought of as a subset of mathematics (discrete math to be precise). A true computer scientist would most likely be doing research on algorithm and programming language theory, the theory of computation, etc.

Our modern notion of someone attaining a CS major usually indicates that said person will get a computer programming job. This enters into the applications side of Computer Science, which would be Software Engineering (SoftE).

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
You forgot to mention that those of us in MIS will leave school with a BSBA and are not having our jobs shipped overseas en masse.

En masse?

A fraction of 1% is hardly in mass. And part of that fraction of 1% is actually IT, and phone jockies not actual programmers. The amount of programming jobs shipped over seas are FAR less than phone jockies aka tech support.

Outsourcing of programming jobs is overstated. And well the rest is just fear mongering.

 

[milagro]

Let me guess..you're just getting out of college. Didn't read the thread but you sound extremely green. Next thing you'll be talking about is your GPA. Go work for 5 years or so. Then we'll talk.

 

[weezergirl]

lol at this thread and all the people getting offended by it.

<--EECS and i'm a girl so i think that makes me better than all of you!

jk.

 

[atom]

<--EECS and i'm a girl so i think that makes me better than all of you!

It's only true if you're also good at counterstrike.

 

[XNice]

I started out at an ME, then went to IST, and now I am about to graduate as an MIS major. And well this is the best descision. All CIS, CS, CE majors do the same thing everyone does, they hope their "smarts" will land them a job...lol. Why do you all hate us MIS majors, cause we have a business sense to make money off what techi's know. So when we need to develope a system or network or some tech service, we will employ you CE, CIS, CS majors who have little idea how to communicate and/or find a way to make your great knowledge earn you money. We are the link between your technical gibberish and those even more cluless CEO's and Manager to make "it" work.

But its cool, cause if I was CS, etc I'd hate on MIS majors too. We just make more money. Thats why managers make more money than music artists, yea the artists have more talent but the manager knows how to turn that talent into greenbacks.

But also there are alot of real dummies in MIS, all the rejects from CIS, CE, CS that couldnt hack it go into MIS. I 've seen that. And I've built computer systems for a lot of clueless MIS, IST majors out there. I'm one of the few MIS majors that knows anything computer related and knows it pretty well..... ah well my 2cents.

Originally posted by: yllus

6) The greatest thing about our society is that if you are good at what you do, then no matter what you do, there is a reasonably well paying job out there with your name on it. Don't blame the economy, blame yourself.


-- yllus (2004)

I definitely agree with that.....


edit> sic

 

[Vortex22]

Originally posted by: XNice
I started out at an ME, then went to IST, and now I am about to graduate as an MIS major. And well this is the best descision. All CIS, CS, CE majors do the same thing everyone does, they hope their "smarts" will land them a job...lol. Why do you all hate us MIS majors, cause we have a business sense to make money off what techi's know. So when we need to develope a system or network or some tech service, we will employ you CE, CIS, CS majors who have little idea how to communicate and/or find a way to make your great knowledge earn you money. We are the link between your technical gibberish and those even more cluless CEO's and Manager to make "it" work.

I'm planning on going into MIS also, and I hope it works out just like that for me.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: weezergirl
lol at this thread and all the people getting offended by it.

<--EECS and i'm a girl so i think that makes me better than all of you!

jk.

Agreed.
Geek girls >>> *