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RichieZ

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Originally posted by: xchangx
Real CS has nothing to do with these vocations, so don't bother asking, "Aren't you worried about your jobs going overseas?" They aren't our jobs.

This is not true, I took a trip up to NY and talked to a lot of companies, CIO Citi Group, CSFB, E&Y, PWC, etc...

They all said that they plan to move cs overseas. Cheaper labor for the same quality of work, perhaps even better.

funny UBS and BoA offered me an internship this summer, but then so did IBM, Ford, and Accenture.

I know people who got internships at BankOne, Citi, ML etc.
 

ed21x

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here in berkeley, EECS takes every class that regular CS takes and then some EE classes.

thus CE >> CS
 

RichieZ

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Originally posted by: ed21x
here in berkeley, EECS takes every class that regular CS takes and then some EE classes.

thus CE >> CS

EECS isn't CE, its essentialy a double major. Lots of my friends are in EECS. Bastards turned me down :(
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: ed21x
here in berkeley, EECS takes every class that regular CS takes and then some EE classes.

thus CE >> CS

you do realize that berkeley is just one school right?
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: xchangx
Real CS has nothing to do with these vocations, so don't bother asking, "Aren't you worried about your jobs going overseas?" They aren't our jobs.

This is not true, I took a trip up to NY and talked to a lot of companies, CIO Citi Group, CSFB, E&Y, PWC, etc...

They all said that they plan to move cs overseas. Cheaper labor for the same quality of work, perhaps even better.
What type of work exactly are you talking about? The extent of globalization is such that whatever can be exported overseas to be done cheaper will be exported, regardless of type of work. Manufacturing's already gone, low-level tech support is being hit next. Law majors watch out, legal filings to become a corporation/LLC might be next! After all it doesn't take an incredible amount of brainwork and they can simply mail you with the documents you need, am I right? Are you beginning to get the picture?

Companies will slowly but surely apply this strategy to every facet of our economy. You can fight globalization (fruitless IMO), or you can become an indispensible. Use your intelligence. We're either all in trouble, or in not very much trouble at all.
 

atom

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Number 6 is BS. Take a reality check. Life doesn't care how good you are.

LOL I'm willing to bet he is still in college.
 

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Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Eh, all are equally worthless. Damn computer geeks just keep breaking my charting computer at work.

This is a computing site and you're calling all them worthless? Blasphemy!
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS :p


<-- just joshing
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS :p


<-- just joshing
:D I love engineers, personally. A great brotherhood and totally zany, out of control parties. Once we get some of these popular misconceptions discarded I hope CS grows as strong a community as the engineers.
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS :p


<-- just joshing
:D I love engineers, personally. A great brotherhood and totally zany, out of control parties. Once we get some of these popular misconceptions discarded I hope CS grows as strong a community as the engineers.


Engineering parties suck, the sausage to taco ratio is totally skewed in the wrong direction :(
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS :p


<-- just joshing
:D I love engineers, personally. A great brotherhood and totally zany, out of control parties. Once we get some of these popular misconceptions discarded I hope CS grows as strong a community as the engineers.

How is EE>CE? CE's take the exact same classes as EE's up to senior year electives. Basically any job an EE could get hired for a CE gets hired for here.

In fact I know tons of managers who prefer CEs over EEs because they can write code as well as understand the hardware.

After having to deal with CS kids calling up for tech support at work who don't know how to measure current and can't solder and then complain that our hardware doesn't work I really have to believe that CS < CE. That and in a lot of instances CE kids write code just as well as CS kids do.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Engineering parties suck, the sausage to taco ratio is totally skewed in the wrong direction :(
I keep forgetting that things aren't quite the same all over. Locally our engineers tend to team up and hold parties in conjunction with nursing students and things work out A-okay. :p
 

DrNoobie

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Engineering parties suck, the sausage to taco ratio is totally skewed in the wrong direction :(
I keep forgetting that things aren't quite the same all over. Locally our engineers tend to team up and hold parties in conjunction with nursing students and things work out A-okay. :p

Yes, but it's much better when you can remind the nursing students that you're the boss/going to be the boss. ;)
 

jemcam

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One question:

How old are you?

I doubt you'll answer, but put a sticky on this thread in five years and I'd love to see your honest answer. Experience is worth 10x a college degree, lucky for me, I have both. My degree is not in CS, but rather Business Management. All a degree and good grades get you is in the door. Where you go from there depends on a good attitude and willingness to learn, both of which you sorely lack.

Enthusiasm and arrogance is cheap among college kids.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: jemcam
One question:

How old are you?

I doubt you'll answer, but put a sticky on this thread in five years and I'd love to see your honest answer. Experience is worth 10x a college degree, lucky for me, I have both. My degree is not in CS, but rather Business Management. All a degree and good grades get you is in the door. Where you go from there depends on a good attitude and willingness to learn, both of which you sorely lack.

Enthusiasm and arrogance is cheap among college kids.

His points are still valid even if what you said is true
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: CrazyDe1
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS :p


<-- just joshing
:D I love engineers, personally. A great brotherhood and totally zany, out of control parties. Once we get some of these popular misconceptions discarded I hope CS grows as strong a community as the engineers.

How is EE>CE? CE's take the exact same classes as EE's up to senior year electives. Basically any job an EE could get hired for a CE gets hired for here.

In fact I know tons of managers who prefer CEs over EEs because they can write code as well as understand the hardware.

After having to deal with CS kids calling up for tech support at work who don't know how to measure current and can't solder and then complain that our hardware doesn't work I really have to believe that CS < CE. That and in a lot of instances CE kids write code just as well as CS kids do.

I don't know how it is where you graduated from but as an EE, I can basically chose to do most (note: I didn't say all) of the CE courses if I want to. It doesn't work the other way around though, ask a CE to work in optical waveguide design or high-speed wireless design and he'll look at you like you're from Mars.

Then again, I'm an EE major with a Software Eng. minor so the "knowing software" point is moot in my case. :p
 

Wuffsunie

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Originally posted by: RichieZ
Originally posted by: xchangx
Real CS has nothing to do with these vocations, so don't bother asking, "Aren't you worried about your jobs going overseas?" They aren't our jobs.
This is not true, I took a trip up to NY and talked to a lot of companies, CIO Citi Group, CSFB, E&Y, PWC, etc...

They all said that they plan to move cs overseas. Cheaper labor for the same quality of work, perhaps even better.
funny UBS and BoA offered me an internship this summer, but then so did IBM, Ford, and Accenture.

I know people who got internships at BankOne, Citi, ML etc.
That's because internship = slave labour in most cases. While CS related stuff does pay (though not the greatest) a lot of other industries don't, and then there's the whole tax break thing they get for taking on interns. It's so they keep up the image they care a good deal about domestic labour while keeping a little more green in their coffers (or lining their wallets).
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS :p


<-- just joshing
:D I love engineers, personally. A great brotherhood and totally zany, out of control parties. Once we get some of these popular misconceptions discarded I hope CS grows as strong a community as the engineers.

Yes, engineering parties are totally zany, if you define "zany" as "devoid of women"
 

Crazymofo

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You know Yllus I am absolutely fricking fabulous at masturbating but I cannot for the life of me get someone to pay me for all my hard work i've been doing!! :|:|

 

yllus

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Originally posted by: jemcam
One question:

How old are you?
Twenty-two.
I doubt you'll answer, but put a sticky on this thread in five years and I'd love to see your honest answer. Experience is worth 10x a college degree, lucky for me, I have both. My degree is not in CS, but rather Business Management. All a degree and good grades get you is in the door. Where you go from there depends on a good attitude and willingness to learn, both of which you sorely lack.
Nah, just having some fun. I know all about mutual respect and realizing when someone has something to teach you. You could do a checkthrough of my resume, call up all of my previous employers and the furthest thing from their minds would be associating me with a bad attitude at work. :)
Enthusiasm and arrogance is cheap among college kids.
Not to mention the ability to get it up. ;)

 

patrick409

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Originally posted by: xchangx
Real CS has nothing to do with these vocations, so don't bother asking, "Aren't you worried about your jobs going overseas?" They aren't our jobs.

This is not true, I took a trip up to NY and talked to a lot of companies, CIO Citi Group, CSFB, E&Y, PWC, etc...

They all said that they plan to move cs overseas. Cheaper labor for the same quality of work, perhaps even better.


Not really. I just interviewed with Citigroup last week. They're hiring over 100 cs/it type people this year. Half my CS friends got hired at EY, MS, Meryl, UBS, etc. The market for CS in New York Financial companies is huge right now, at least for NYU grads anyways.

 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Crazymofo
You know Yllus I am absolutely fricking fabulous at masturbating but I cannot for the life of me get someone to pay me for all my hard work i've been doing!! :|:|
Try investing in a quality webcam, a catchy domain name and some webspace. Or put a spin on it. How do you feel about pantyhose? :Q
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Can't the CE, CS, and EE all get along and bash IT?
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Your next drink in Toronto is on me! :beer::D:beer: