RANT: Things every student getting into the computers field *should* know.

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Crazymofo
You know Yllus I am absolutely fricking fabulous at masturbating but I cannot for the life of me get someone to pay me for all my hard work i've been doing!! :|:|

Try investing in a quality webcam, a catchy domain name and some webspace. Or put a spin on it. How do you feel about pantyhose? :Q

OMG!! Where have you been all this time?? You have all the answers don't you! I should thank you for this thread though, yet another reason to get off my ass and finally get a degree... But then again I still have no fvcking clue what I want to do with my life... back in HS I thought I would have had that answered by now

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: jemcam
One question:

How old are you?

Twenty-two.

I doubt you'll answer, but put a sticky on this thread in five years and I'd love to see your honest answer. Experience is worth 10x a college degree, lucky for me, I have both. My degree is not in CS, but rather Business Management. All a degree and good grades get you is in the door. Where you go from there depends on a good attitude and willingness to learn, both of which you sorely lack.

Nah, just having some fun. I know all about mutual respect and realizing when someone has something to teach you. You could do a checkthrough of my resume, call up all of my previous employers and the furthest thing from their minds would be associating me with a bad attitude at work.

Enthusiasm and arrogance is cheap among college kids.

Not to mention the ability to get it up.

Okay, you still make me laugh. At 22 I THOUGHT I had the world by the balls too. I have no problems in the dick dept. thank you very much. I think you need to learn to temper your arrogance and be a little more open minded. Only time will convince you, not a couple of messages on this board.

p.s., I sure hope for your sake you don't come on with this attitude IF you ever get hired. If you do, you'll soon become a huge pain in the ass if you're working for a big corporation. My best advice to you is if you want to keep up with your mouth, your best option is to start your own business, oh, and if you start to make money, hire a PR guy and stay in the back of the office.

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Can't the CE, CS, and EE all get along and bash IT?
Also know as I transferred?

Do you realize that a large portion of "CS" jobs also fall under "IT" work?

 

[TitanDiddly]

Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

I thought you were put on vacation??

 

[poopaskoopa]

5/8

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

 

[RichieZ]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: xchangx

Real CS has nothing to do with these vocations, so don't bother asking, "Aren't you worried about your jobs going overseas?" They aren't our jobs.

This is not true, I took a trip up to NY and talked to a lot of companies, CIO Citi Group, CSFB, E&Y, PWC, etc...

They all said that they plan to move cs overseas. Cheaper labor for the same quality of work, perhaps even better.

funny UBS and BoA offered me an internship this summer, but then so did IBM, Ford, and Accenture.

I know people who got internships at BankOne, Citi, ML etc.

That's because internship = slave labour in most cases. While CS related stuff does pay (though not the greatest) a lot of other industries don't, and then there's the whole tax break thing they get for taking on interns. It's so they keep up the image they care a good deal about domestic labour while keeping a little more green in their coffers (or lining their wallets).

IBM offered me $24 an hour, up from $19 last yr. Ford offered $18/hr. Didn't get my formal offer letters from the others yet. So I'd say it pays pretty well. To me internships are ways of gaining experience and earning a little money, plus many companies use it as a way of screening ppl for full time. Lots of ppl get jobs at the companies they interned at.

 

[jemcam]

Okay Yllus, after reading your profile and visiting your website, I've decided that what you need is a mentor, someone older that you respect and want to emulate. Spend lots of time with him/her, be honest and open just like you have with us, and do what he tells you. It seems unnatural at first, but if he's a good mentor, he'll explain why.

For instance, holding back on voicing your opinions and being too brash.

I was very much like you, but luckily someone above me saw my potential and turned me into more of a corporate person, which opened lots of doors and made me much more marketable inside and outside of the company.

I'm not cutting you down at all, I think you would be a good employee, but you will or can be great with a little more wisdom under your belt.

The dick joke is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Can't the CE, CS, and EE all get along and bash IT?
Also know as I Transferred?

Your next drink in Toronto is on me! :beer::beer:

So which university do you go to, York or Toronto?

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: DWW

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Spencer278
Can't the CE, CS, and EE all get along and bash IT?
Also know as I Transferred?

Your next drink in Toronto is on me! :beer::beer:

So which university do you go to, York or Toronto?

Ah sorry, checked your page... Ryerson doesn't count as a real school

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: jemcam
Okay Yllus, after reading your profile and visiting your website, I've decided that what you need is a mentor, someone older that you respect and want to emulate. Spend lots of time with him/her, be honest and open just like you have with us, and do what he tells you. It seems unnatural at first, but if he's a good mentor, he'll explain why.

For instance, holding back on voicing your opinions and being too brash.

I was very much like you, but luckily someone above me saw my potential and turned me into more of a corporate person, which opened lots of doors and made me much more marketable inside and outside of the company.

I'm not cutting you down at all, I think you would be a good employee, but you will or can be great with a little more wisdom under your belt.

The dick joke is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

I appreciate this post, really and truthfully. Thank you.

The point of my original post and most of my replies afterwards was merely to whip up a bit of a storm, as well as puff out the chests of the CSers we have here. We're inundated with news of the collapse of our area of the job economy daily and it can be depressing, even if it is inaccurate. I like to give my meagre writing skills a workout occasionally and this was a good opportunity.

Now personally, I've had my ups and my downs. I've had my own office at 19 in one of Canada's top five banks. Then my work got outsourced to IBM Solution Services and I got turfed. Was I angry? Fsck no, I was utterly replaceable and merely riding the tech wave! Went to work in computer sales at Best Buy a year later. It was a step down to be sure, but a fantastic learning experience in a completely different set of skills as well. I'll be alright!

The dick joke, by the way, was a good-natured one and totally left the door open to a comeback. Weird that it's gone unreplied to for so long here of all places...

Originally posted by: DWW
Ah sorry, checked your page... Ryerson doesn't count as a real school

They must be doing something right if I came here! You another Toronto ATer? Whereabouts you attending and in what program?

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: jemcam
Okay Yllus, after reading your profile and visiting your website, I've decided that what you need is a mentor, someone older that you respect and want to emulate. Spend lots of time with him/her, be honest and open just like you have with us, and do what he tells you. It seems unnatural at first, but if he's a good mentor, he'll explain why.

For instance, holding back on voicing your opinions and being too brash.

I was very much like you, but luckily someone above me saw my potential and turned me into more of a corporate person, which opened lots of doors and made me much more marketable inside and outside of the company.

I'm not cutting you down at all, I think you would be a good employee, but you will or can be great with a little more wisdom under your belt.

The dick joke is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

You're gonna write me off as bering an arrogant ass for saying this but I hope I don't become a "corporate person" and a "good employee" regardless of having a mentor or not. "corporate employees" work for, well, large corporations where they spend their days going through administrative work and justifying why they spent 12 cents on a BIC pen.

I can't speak for sully, but I'd have my own (or work in a) start-up even if it means working 80 hours a week on something that I am truly passionate about, rather than working a 9-5 job in some ungrateful corporation. Being a good employee will get you a stable, uneventful job; maybe I'll want that when I settle down working in this kind of company isn't what I'm looking for coming right out of university.

Just my thoughts on it. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[DWW]

Was kidding about Ryerson. It has become a great school over the past while. I lived in Toronto for a year and went to college there but now I'm off to Waterloo in the fall

 

[jemcam]

Well to be honest with you, I had an equally disparaging remark to make about you, but decided it wasn't productive and it probably would have ruined my entire intention of my post, and that was to recognize your skills and your efforts, but give you a subtle reminder that you aren't there yet.

Aging my mean I lost my looks, but I now have knowledge and wisdom and that gets me much farther and is 100x more gratifying.

Good luck to you, and for the record, I work for one of the largest Corporations in the U.S. and have been lucky to have been employed there for 15 years.

 

[jemcam]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: jemcam
Okay Yllus, after reading your profile and visiting your website, I've decided that what you need is a mentor, someone older that you respect and want to emulate. Spend lots of time with him/her, be honest and open just like you have with us, and do what he tells you. It seems unnatural at first, but if he's a good mentor, he'll explain why.

For instance, holding back on voicing your opinions and being too brash.

I was very much like you, but luckily someone above me saw my potential and turned me into more of a corporate person, which opened lots of doors and made me much more marketable inside and outside of the company.

I'm not cutting you down at all, I think you would be a good employee, but you will or can be great with a little more wisdom under your belt.

The dick joke is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

You're gonna write me off as bering an arrogant ass for saying this but I hope I don't become a "corporate person" and a "good employee" regardless of having a mentor or not. "corporate employees" work for, well, large corporations where they spend their days going through administrative work and justifying why they spent 12 cents on a BIC pen.

I can't speak for sully, but I'd have my own (or work in a) start-up even if it means working 70 hours a week on something that I am truly passionate about, rather than working a 9-5 job in some ungrateful corporation. Being a good employee will get you a stable, uneventful job; maybe I'll want that when I settle down working in this kind of company isn't what I'm looking for coming right out of university.

Just my thoughts on it. Take it for what it's worth.

I worked for several years at many small businesses, starting with my Dad's auto repair shop prior to working for a big corporation. The thing that brought me to a big company was job security and a steady salary.

I agree with you though, working for a large corporation isn't for most people right out of college. The different experiences are what makes you marketable and gives you character. When I had enough character building, I went Corporate and worked less, came home at 4:00 every day, get lots of vacation, tons of bennies, and a very tall ladder to get on and start working my way up.

Hey, it's not for everyone, but it works well for me.

EDIT: For the record, I sure as hell didn't want to be doing what I am now when I was 22 either. Priorities change, you get jaded, you'll find out soon enough.

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: DrNoobie
Eh, all are equally worthless. Damn computer geeks just keep breaking my charting computer at work.

that's why real doctors chart by hand or dictate by phone.

and about the nursing student comment, you need to gain some respect for nurses. 'being the boss' doesn't mean you call all the shots. there have been countless times that the egotistical doctor had his head in his ass, called for the wrong drip, only to have a nurse catch it and fix it. keep working on that bedside manner.

 

[StageLeft]

I've had my own office at 19 in one of Canada's top five banks.

Man, Canada only has like two banks. RBC, and well some other bank. But still that's a good job :0

In regards to IT vs. CS most of the jobs I've worked at/in are with CS grads and I am indiscernible from them in what we do. Most of my stuff is just standard windows development and it doesn't take long at all for a person with a CS degree working on .NET to realize that they just wasted a whole hell of a lot of time with those calculus courses. Now, my brother in law works in a position heavy on math and a bunch of other crap which I couldn't do, but a lot of CS grads are doing, and will continue to do, the stuff that the watered down IT folk can only do. And as time goes on they'll appear more and more like each other, since the IT guy still can't add 2+2, and the CS guy hasn't had to in a decade

 

[johnjbruin]

a :beer: for you for a post that is right on the money

 

[StageLeft]

Hey, it's not for everyone, but it works well for me.

It's for a lot of people once they get older. It doesn't take long dicking around with small salaries and non-existent job security before one starts to envy his peers who've been making good money in the same company since the beginning of time. I personally have little desire to ever start my own company. I see work as a way to make money. That is all. The line is drawn there and I simply can't see myself ever having the passion in what I _work at_ to want to drop 70/hours week starting a small business. Sure, I could get rich, but that's hardly a big priority, and even if it was I could just as easily end up broke. Like jemcam I like coming home and knowing that that is the end of my day, and on to what I want to do (btw I like my job, but it's still a job). "No stress, no seeds, no stems, no sticks."

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
CS students are hillarious, I love it. "We look down on programs XYZ but damn it we're just as good as engineers why do they look down on us?!?!"

LMAO, at the degree hierarchy. btw, it's EE > CE >= CS


<-- just joshing

He speaks the truth. CS people get all upset about this since they like to look down on others, but don't like others looking down on them!

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

Personally, I don't think CE requires a lot of math, but you're usually required to take a lot of math. Compared to some other engineering disciplines, it usually requires less math.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

Personally, I don't think CE requires a lot of math, but you're usually required to take a lot of math. Compared to some other engineering disciplines, it usually requires less math.

Well I don't know about at your school but CEs here need to take the following math classes:

Linear Algebra (not the high-school level stuff, real linear algebra)
Differential Equations
Intermediate Calc
Advanced Calc
Complex Variables & transforms
Signals and Systems I & II (let's face it, those are math classes)
Discrete Variables

that's quite a few math courses if you ask me

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox
Is there a lot of (anywhere near complex) math involved with CE? Math courses? If so, I'm screwed. I hope not.

Yes there are complex math courses involved in CE. Yes, your profs WILL own you with impossible midterms. No, studying won't help. Welcome to the wonderful world of engineering. Enjoy! :beer:

Dang. How about CS?

Personally, I don't think CE requires a lot of math, but you're usually required to take a lot of math. Compared to some other engineering disciplines, it usually requires less math.

Well I don't know about at your school but CEs here need to take the following math classes:

Linear Algebra (not the high-school level stuff, real linear algebra)
Differential Equations
Intermediate Calc
Advanced Calc
Complex Variables & transforms
Signals and Systems I & II (let's face it, those are math classes)
Discrete Variables

that's quite a few math courses if you ask me

i think he was just saying htat you have to take a lot of math but htat the actual field doesn't require much