Once again you have proven you are incapable of doing any of your own thinking. For your sake I hope MSNBC doesn't post an article saying the world is flat ot something.
I clearly stated in the other thread my position on Lott and his voting record. My problem is with the shrill troglodytes who want to scream racist and bigot because they read in a headline they were supposed to. classy is their poster child. As far as his opposition to MLK it is clear that his position was money at least as far as the commision is concerned. He voted for an amendment that would have fully funded the commission for two more years. When that measure failed and another was put forth funding it for five more years he voted against that one. Your link to his voting record although informative is limited in scope. I have read the Congressional record and although the Yea and Nay statements don't necessarily reflect the true reasons why every Senator voted the way they did, it is the official record and most of the arguments I read in there were credible, defensible positions.
If there is a decent fiscal conservative at ATOT (other than moi) please stand up and refute that BS. Oh yeah, I wonder who he considers more deserving . . . it should be easy to list since there's a lot.
JFK Legislation and Speeches
US House 1947-1953
US Senate 1954-1960
Thurmond record
US Senate 1954-2002
Over the years, Thurmond has redefined durability while he moderated his racial views and nurtured a reputation of having a fondness for younger women.
Well I would certainly agree that JFK and Thurmond had something in common.
At Thursday's tribute, in a scene reminiscent of actress Marilyn Monroe singing "Happy Birthday" to President John Kennedy four decades ago, a woman portraying Monroe serenaded Thurmond, who reached out and touched her.
. . . and Clinton.
In 1957, Thurmond held the Senate floor for a still-record non-stop 24 hours and 18 minutes in opposing a civil rights bill. A few years later, he wrestled a colleague to the floor in an effort to prevent a civil rights vote.
. . . he was certainly willing to fight for what he believed.
Yet as civil rights legislation changed America, Thurmond changed, too. He became the first South Carolina lawmaker to hire black staffers. He also actively courted black leaders and black voters and ended up backing some civil rights measures.
Armstrong Williams worked for Thurmond. He was at the birthday celebration and he thinks Lott embodies a backwater Delta mentality. I would certainly agree.
But in his heart, Dave, Lott was opposed to the holiday. Unless he was lying to Southern Partisan. Do you think he was lying? I think he clearly expressed his views. Even if the holiday was a bargain he would recognize others before King. I want to hear him defend his position. I despise TV and have a particularly keen disdain for BET. Yet I cannot wait to see what he has to say.
I share your pain but you give them too much attention. They don't read your links . . . hell some don't read their own, so why continue attempting an intelligent discourse with a shrub?
Hell, I'd like to line up all of them and have them defend their position.
I'm the eternal optimist I guess.
Many people in America reminesce about the good old days . . . not just in the South. If Strom lived to be 200 he might even come around with regards to bisexuals, gays, lesbians, and immigrants.
But at Lott's current pace he would exceed Methusela before he really saw people before seeing race.
Optimism is good . . . delusions are bad. Idiots do not get smarter . . . when they start making sense you're getting dumber. Look I'm an optimist, too. My state traded in a racist farmer and Jesse Helms for John Edwards and Libby Dole. We've progressed from Neanderthals to lawyers. We're just an obelisk away from primates.
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Educated at predominantly if not all white schools? Not very funny? I don't get it what's the connection?
2 guys from 2 different backgrounds expressing their opinions with similar regaurd for others feelings
LOL. What are they any less creditable then anyone else? People like you want to make me vomit. All you do is make stereotypes and assumptions. Your boy is a racist, so follow him if you want I don't care. This is a free country. Your free to be anything you want. But its sad. Wherever you are your hating on people just because they are different from you. But hey do what you gotta.
Good Luck and God Bless You dude.
Dude, this guy could be purple . . . who cares about his shade. Armstrong Williams is black and says Lott should go. Sen Nickles from OK is white (damn, redundant huh senator . . . white) he thinks the GOP should caucus about it. Mfume is black and says he should go. Bush is white and says Lott's words were detestible. I didn't hear Bush say the interpretation of his words was unbecoming. Bush referred to exactly what Lott uttered (granted, we know someone wrote it for Bush).
It is injustice for them to call for Lott's resignation when Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., voted against affirmative action on the Senate floor, yet as a vice presidential candidate said he wants to "amend it, not end it" and received a standing ovation from Mfume.
It is injustice to vote for legislation that lifts some with disregard for others. AA that helps the disenfranchised, (rural, urban, poor K-12, low SES) could easily describe amend it, not end it.
It is injustice for them to call for Lott's resignation when Jackson has fathered a child in an extramarital affair and not a soul spoke out against it.
Jackson should be ashamed. Now if he's not paying child support that's injustice. Jesse Jackson is still being ridiculed for his love child. If you want I will send you the jpeg of a little girl's body with Jesse's head. Some liberals may have looked the other way but much of black America gave Jesse hell.
Lott is responsible for bringing a Nissan Plant to Mississippi, which will employ more than 6,000 workers when it opens in a couple of years; Interstate 69, which will provide a means for people to commute from one end of the state to the other more easily; and the revitalization of the Mississippi-Arkansas bridge. All are in Bennie Thompson's 60% black district.
Lott is also responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in wasted bacon. They could build Bentley's for all I care. I bet that Nissan plant has an agreement not to pay taxes for years. Free sewage, water, and discounted electricity. I bet the government of Mississippi even volunteered to buy vehicles from Nissan. I certainly laud the interstate. The one thing people of Mississippi need more than a decent educational system is the ability to travel OUT of Mississippi.
I'm reminded of the biblical account of a woman who was caught in adultery. As her accusers stood prepared to stone her to death for her transgressions, Jesus declared, "He that is among you without sin, let him cast the first stone." Then, amazingly, they dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus never implied or intimated that the woman was right. He merely prevented the accusers from hiding behind their own sense of righteousness.
Clinton should have hired this guy for PR . . . he's so sincere and thoughtful. Well damn let's open up the prisons. I can see it now . . .
"Judge, I know I robbed a store, shot the clerk, and had sex with his cat but that was then and this is now. I'm a changed man . . . and let him without sin cast the first stone."
Judge: "Well son that's a good argument. We all make mistakes. But we don't use stones anymore and all that 'love thy neighbor and foregive trespasses' crap is for hippies and Jesus. All the hippies live in gated communities and if you see Jesus have him set you free. For my part 25 YEARS . . . and you will have ample opportunity to screw animals."
It is injustice for them to call for Lott's resignation when Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., voted against affirmative action on the Senate floor, yet as a vice presidential candidate said he wants to "amend it, not end it" and received a standing ovation from Mfume.
It is injustice to vote for legislation that lifts some with disregard for others. AA that helps the disenfranchised, (rural, urban, poor K-12, low SES) could easily describe amend it, not end it.
It is injustice for them to call for Lott's resignation when Jackson has fathered a child in an extramarital affair and not a soul spoke out against it.
Jackson should be ashamed. Now if he's not paying child support that's injustice. Jesse Jackson is still being ridiculed for his love child. If you want I will send you the jpeg of a little girl's body with Jesse's head. Some liberals may have looked the other way but much of black America gave Jesse hell.
Lott is responsible for bringing a Nissan Plant to Mississippi, which will employ more than 6,000 workers when it opens in a couple of years; Interstate 69, which will provide a means for people to commute from one end of the state to the other more easily; and the revitalization of the Mississippi-Arkansas bridge. All are in Bennie Thompson's 60% black district.
Lott is also responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in wasted bacon. They could build Bentley's for all I care. I bet that Nissan plant has an agreement not to pay taxes for years. Free sewage, water, and discounted electricity. I bet the government of Mississippi even volunteered to buy vehicles from Nissan. I certainly laud the interstate. The one thing people of Mississippi need more than a decent educational system is the ability to travel OUT of Mississippi.
I'm reminded of the biblical account of a woman who was caught in adultery. As her accusers stood prepared to stone her to death for her transgressions, Jesus declared, "He that is among you without sin, let him cast the first stone." Then, amazingly, they dropped their stones and walked away. Jesus never implied or intimated that the woman was right. He merely prevented the accusers from hiding behind their own sense of righteousness.
Clinton should have hired this guy for PR . . . he's so sincere and thoughtful. Well damn let's open up the prisons. I can see it now . . .
"Judge, I know I robbed a store, shot the clerk, and had sex with his cat but that was then and this is now. I'm a changed man . . . and let him without sin cast the first stone."
Judge: "Well son that's a good argument. We all make mistakes. But we don't use stones anymore and all that 'love thy neighbor and foregive trespasses' crap is for hippies and Jesus. All the hippies live in gated communities and if you see Jesus have him set you free. For my part 25 YEARS . . . and you will have ample opportunity to screw animals."
Well since innocent until proven guilty has been thrown out the window by the left....
Classy and Bali, go get your rope and string Lott up to the nearest tree. That does seem to be what you are doing anyway.
Classy and Bali, go get your rope and string Lott up to the nearest tree. That does seem to be what you are doing anyway.
Hypocrite. Clinton was guilty until proven innocent by the right for all of 90's. Your own president is saying it's OK to hold people without trial indefinitely, and here you are crying about innocent until proven guilty.
Did I say lynch the guy? It's not like I've ever supported anyone opposed to anti-lynching legislation (Lott's first job after law school). I occasionally toy with returning to registering as a Republican. I left b/c the party was fixated on Clinton instead of ideas. The GOP can move beyond unsavory elements in it's past by dropping the dead weight. Lott cannot be the standard bearer. Everybody has checkered pasts . . . except for Lott and Byrd . . . it's all one color.
I didn't need Ken Starr to prove Clinton was lying. I didn't need a jury to tell me OJ was guilty (and I'm talking about the criminal trial). I have a right to state my opinion based on available information. It may be the rantings of the ignorant but that's better than someone that refuses to budge even when available information supports a different thesis (I call these people idiots).
BaliBabyDoc
Did I say lynch the guy?
Effectively, yes you did. Based solely on your interpertation and in contrast to the people that actually know him you are ready to declare him still a racist and destroy his career and reputation.
You are of course correct though, you have the right to state your opinion on him just as much as anyone else in the U.S..
I'll use one of my rights and not state what I think of people that develop opinions based on limited information.
Did I say lynch the guy?
Effectively, yes you did. Based solely on your interpertation and in contrast to the people that actually know him you are ready to declare him still a racist and destroy his career and reputation.
You are of course correct though, you have the right to state your opinion on him just as much as anyone else in the U.S..
I'll use one of my rights and not state what I think of people that develop opinions based on limited information.
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How about hindering minorities from joining his fraterity? Or hindering little white girls from dating little black boys at bob jones?
Not enough. Yea prolly not .
Good for you classy, I hope she's blond hair blue eyes drop dead gorgeous! That always pisses those limp dick racist peckerwoods off.
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What you posted in that other tread was your opinion of why it was perfectly OK for Lott to vote the way he did. I disagree, Civilrights, AA, MLK are all excellent legislation for blacks who were second class citizens till the late 60's if not even now. Only differnece is code words are used instead of the n-word.
No it wasn't my opinion stupid. It was links and regurgitation of the Congressional record.
You and classy have added nothing of substance to this thread and I am now going to take BBD's advice and quit trying to have an intelligent conversation with the shrubery.
So now you know what you effectively did, Bali, base on etech's opinion derived of course on unlimited information.
etech said . . .
then etech said
Yes, you implied figuratively (at least that was my assumption) and I replied literally (based on Lott's record).
Is Lott guilty of being a past racist? YES.
Does Lott have a voting record of distinction (even among GOP and like minded Dems) when it comes to insensitivity if not opposition to issues of civil rights for blacks? YES.
Did Lott intend to imply that President Strom would have been good for America? Good question, I'm not sure but he says no.
Can one reasonably infer that Lott believes the exact opposite and he was just trying to make the old geezer feel good on his birthday? Sure.
Can one reasonably infer that Lott believed the exact opposite in 1980 when he made an eerily equivalent statement about Strom's '48 campaign? Inquiring minds want to know . . . the old salt was 78 and could conceivably keel over at any moment. Then again the old goat exercised daily, did not drink or smoke, and was (just an unsubstantiated hunch) banging interns left and right.
then etech said
Yes, you implied figuratively (at least that was my assumption) and I replied literally (based on Lott's record).
Is Lott guilty of being a past racist? YES.
Does Lott have a voting record of distinction (even among GOP and like minded Dems) when it comes to insensitivity if not opposition to issues of civil rights for blacks? YES.
Did Lott intend to imply that President Strom would have been good for America? Good question, I'm not sure but he says no.
Can one reasonably infer that Lott believes the exact opposite and he was just trying to make the old geezer feel good on his birthday? Sure.
Can one reasonably infer that Lott believed the exact opposite in 1980 when he made an eerily equivalent statement about Strom's '48 campaign? Inquiring minds want to know . . . the old salt was 78 and could conceivably keel over at any moment. Then again the old goat exercised daily, did not drink or smoke, and was (just an unsubstantiated hunch) banging interns left and right.
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