The Democrats call the Republicans a bunch of mindless, rhetoric-spewing blowhards. The Republicans call the Democrats a bunch of mindless, rhetoric-spewing blowhards.
Maybe you're both right.
Maybe you're both right.
Dave
I'm expecting Dari to come along at any minute and pronounce that you are a Nazi. Seems to be the best he can come up with.
Marty
You overlook the one most obvious possibility. That what Lott said is all he ment it to say.
"At the news conference Friday in his Gulf Coast home town, Lott said he was "winging it" with those words, saying they were not meant to convey support for racial segregation, which he called "a stain on our nation's soul." Rather, he said, they marked an effort to help "an elderly gentleman to feel good. There were no venal thoughts in my mind." "
But all of his opponents on this one quote are mind readers and know exactly what he ment even though his actual words do not support them.
I'm expecting Dari to come along at any minute and pronounce that you are a Nazi. Seems to be the best he can come up with.
Marty
You overlook the one most obvious possibility. That what Lott said is all he ment it to say.
"At the news conference Friday in his Gulf Coast home town, Lott said he was "winging it" with those words, saying they were not meant to convey support for racial segregation, which he called "a stain on our nation's soul." Rather, he said, they marked an effort to help "an elderly gentleman to feel good. There were no venal thoughts in my mind." "
But all of his opponents on this one quote are mind readers and know exactly what he ment even though his actual words do not support them.
KK
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Did you miss his apology? This type of mentality is no better than the republicans trying to hang clinton. It's just crazy to keep harping on the same points. You aren't going to change anyones minds. It's just going to separate the left from the right even further. Is that what you want?
KK
Think about it this way. The two statements contradict each other, so one of them is a lie. His controversial comments were said on Monday and mirror ones he said in 1980. The what he said on friday came after his job was threatened. Futhermore, I think you'll agree that there are 1000s of other ways to help an elderly gentleman to feel good, other than saying america would be better off with segratation.
With that in mind, it is much more likely that he was lying on friday and trying to save his job, rather than expressing his true beliefs.
Should he resign from the senate? Not really. As you've pointed out the dems have such characters in their party too. But a person with such view should not be a leader.
But of course, Lott is starting to act like a spoiled child now:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55724-2002Dec14.html
Well, there you go again.
Where in the first statement did Lott say anything in praise of segregation? He didn't. He said that an old man would have made a fine president. True, no. Did Lott even believe it? Who knows It is quite common at a retirement part to praise the guy that is retiring. Running for President was probably one of the highlights of Strom's career. Lott made a comment about it. Anything else is just supposition on your part.
The funny thing about this is that Lott is a moderate. Anyone that replaces him will very likely be much more conservative in policies and less likely to compromise with the far leftish dems. They are shooting themselves in the foot and appear to be too dumb to even realize it.
He said that if Thurmond won in 48, america would not have had "all these problems". The highlight of Thurmond's bid for presidency was his pro-segregation views. This is a very clear implication.
If I was Storm (and had fully changed my views as repubs say) I would be very ashamed of having run for president on a pro-segragation platform. There was no need for Lott to say any of this and you guys will go to any length to absolve him of any responsibility.
And you guys will say anything to make it out to be what Lott has said it was not.
Do you really think that Lott stood up there and intentionally made a remark with the meaning that the left and you say it means? He may be a lot of things but he isn't that stupid. That is the obvious reason why you are wrong.
Do you really think that Lott stood up there and intentionally made a remark with the meaning that the left and you say it means? He may be a lot of things but he isn't that stupid. That is the obvious reason why you are wrong.
KK, what happened to the third K? I just can't figure out why you white scum can't see racism when it hits you in the face. 
StageLeft
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All I have to say is that the guy was winging it and it was not a slip of the tongue. He simply didn't think through enough on what he was about to say (the repercussions of it), and just let it go freely from his mouth. It says to me quite obviously that he supports, at least in some context, segretationalism. Because it was freestyle/improv affirms this to me. Kind of like alcohol being a truth syrum, this guy was rambling on and one of his hidden secret thoughts happened to come out. He can't hide that now.
Was Carter winging it when he praised Gov. Wallace of Alabama?
"With the death of George Wallace, Alabama and the American South have lost one of our favorites sons," Carter said. "His political career both helped to define and to reflect the political life of our region."
I'm willing to believe that Carter was making some polite comments about a long time politician and is not a closet racist.
"With the death of George Wallace, Alabama and the American South have lost one of our favorites sons," Carter said. "His political career both helped to define and to reflect the political life of our region."
I'm willing to believe that Carter was making some polite comments about a long time politician and is not a closet racist.
Why do so many people including yourself want to control what others say? When the democrats held a political rally in the form of a memorial service for Welstone it was clear that event was grossly improper but I didn't see any republican cry fowl and demand the democrats apologize for the activity.
What the Ds did was inappropriate. No one apologized. In the end the Ds paid a price and Mondale lost the election. What Lott did was inappropriate if you make a stretch and assume his comments were derogatory to someone, somewhere. Lott apologize several times and tried to put his comments in context. Again, in the end the voters will decide if they want Lott back and his peers will determine his standing in the senate.
I think etech is right on: there is an obvious, discriminatory double standard at work here and it smells rotten.
Red Dawn
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Lott, like his Democratic counterpart Tom Daschele, is a POS Petty Partisan Politico who does more harm to the Democratic process than good and doesn't deserve any slack whether his statements were innocent of not. The Republican Party and America as a whole would be better off is this rat bastard lying political scum was run out of office on a rail. Because of that I feel it's a good thing that he be crucified for his unfortunate and unwise comments. To defend him is to defend political dogsh!t tracked all over the Congressional Carpet .
BTW, Senator Byrd should be booted out of the Senate too for his affiliation with the KKK.
BTW, Senator Byrd should be booted out of the Senate too for his affiliation with the KKK.
I think etech is right on: there is an obvious, discriminatory double standard at work here and it smells rotten.
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Damn Jelly, you too. Obvious why your name isn't Jelly Roll.
KKK, you name may be Jackass, but you are not my monkey.
Why don't you white males put a cork in it and listen to the minorities for a change. You don't know Jack about racism, you been dishing it out all your lives and never notice. Lott's a bigot who might escape because his state has a Democratic governor and he can use, can you dig it, BLACK MAIL, to avoid being pitched out on his white racist ass, probably giving KKK there a concussion in the process. You're all a bunch of damn PC cowards afraid of calling a SPADE a SPADE.
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Damn Jelly, you too. Obvious why your name isn't Jelly Roll.
KKK, you name may be Jackass, but you are not my monkey.
Why don't you white males put a cork in it and listen to the minorities for a change. You don't know Jack about racism, you been dishing it out all your lives and never notice. Lott's a bigot who might escape because his state has a Democratic governor and he can use, can you dig it, BLACK MAIL, to avoid being pitched out on his white racist ass, probably giving KKK there a concussion in the process. You're all a bunch of damn PC cowards afraid of calling a SPADE a SPADE.
Keep in mind I'm not defending Lott. I don't particularly care for him. He's a big spender who brings Lotts of pork back to his state at the nation's expense. I'd rather criticize him for what he does as a politican instead of criticize him by stretching the truth of a simple comment he made at some retirement celebration. In the grand scheme of things his 2 second comment is a popcorn fart.
So many here are so quick to crucify others for even the smallest push against their egos and I think that's sad.
Beamer, what exactly do you mean by "you too"?
So many here are so quick to crucify others for even the smallest push against their egos and I think that's sad.
Beamer, what exactly do you mean by "you too"?
You too, one of those people who can spot racism a mile away when it's affirmative action but it's a slip of the tongue when the US would have been better off with segregation. How come lily white means innocent. Racism is built into American life and it's gonna stay that way till somebody honks the beloved patriot right in the nose.
Oh no it's Corn. Great. I see you were posting while I was. I used to LMAO at Classy going at it with the nerds from the right, but he started a big fight with me the other day and I have to say I've had better arguments from a brick. Sorry Classy. I have trouble with people who are 'out there'.
So what do you think, Corn. As a fellow seeker of truth, isn't Lott's racism as obvious to you as the white bias of these here racial apologists, or are you one of the three monkeys too.
So what do you think, Corn. As a fellow seeker of truth, isn't Lott's racism as obvious to you as the white bias of these here racial apologists, or are you one of the three monkeys too.
CptObvious
"The fraternity had a nationwide meeting voting to de-segregate and allow black members into the fraternity...who was the sole voice of opposition Lott. "
It does not make what Lott did any better, but you are wrong in saying that he was the "sole voice of opposition". Try to keep the facts correct, getting them wrong in such a glaring and obvious manner does not help your case at all.
"The fraternity had a nationwide meeting voting to de-segregate and allow black members into the fraternity...who was the sole voice of opposition Lott. "
It does not make what Lott did any better, but you are wrong in saying that he was the "sole voice of opposition". Try to keep the facts correct, getting them wrong in such a glaring and obvious manner does not help your case at all.
Please don't cry, Dave. I?m an extremely sensitive person and I would feel terrible. I'll confess, if you don't cry. You guys were claiming there's no racism in Lott's comment and I thought to my self, what's with that, are these guys color blind, can't they see racism when it's obvious. How ridiculous is that? So I decided to see. I started calling everybody in sight every RACIAL EPETHET I could think of and not one person called me a racist. So yea, you guys just might be blind enough not to see what Lott is.
The veterans of the Moonbeam wars are cagey, but not cagey enough.
The veterans of the Moonbeam wars are cagey, but not cagey enough.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Please don't cry, Dave. I?m an extremely sensitive person and I would feel terrible. I'll confess, if you don't cry. You guys were claiming there's no racism in Lott's comment and I thought to my self, what's with that, are these guys color blind, can't they see racism when it's obvious. How ridiculous is that? So I decided to see. I started calling everybody in sight every RACIAL EPETHET I could think of and not one person called me a racist. So yea, you guys just might be blind enough not to see what Lott is.
The veterans of the Moonbeam wars are cagey, but not cagey enough.
Naw, no one takes you seriously anymore, that's all.
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