RANT: I am a Mac User. I am not an Idiot.

[Patranus]

The Alienware will probably last 3 hours under normal use, like most other laptops.

It's a laptop in that you can move it around and use it on your lap. Just make sure you don't have chicken legs and weak arms because you might fail to lift the laptop and place it on your lap.

I mean I can use an iMac on my lap.....

 

[MJinZ]

I mean I can use an iMac on my lap.....

I highly doubt that. The iMac weighs what, 25lbs? Where you gonna put the keyboard? Or Mouse? Oh wait, you need a power outlet. Good effort.

 

[alfa147x]

I highly doubt that. The iMac weighs what, 25lbs? Where you gonna put the keyboard? Or Mouse? Oh wait, you need a power outlet. Good effort.

You need a humor sensor repair.

 

[slashbinslashbash]

Do you like the look of Priuses? They are one of the most aerodynamic cars on the road.

It doesn't always work that aerodynamic => beautiful, but a lot of time it does.

Engines? Sorry, but today's 2 Liter 4 cylinder engines can put out enough power to put some ancient 5-6L 8 or 10 cylinder engines to shame.

Yes, but what I meant was that the physical size of those 2 liter 4 cylinder engines isn't anywhere close to 1/10th the size of the older V8 or even V10 engines. Maybe 1/2 the size. There's a practical size limit to how small you can make a gasoline engine for a car. We've had 100 years of development of car engines, and nobody's made one that you can pick up with one hand or carry on your back. On the other hand, there's no practical size limit for how small you can make a computer. The components get smaller and more powerful each year. They are getting to the point where they are bumping against the physical size limits of the humans that use them: keyboard size and display size. Once we can get past both of those issues (and the iPad is halfway there on the first one), I expect computers will not be styled at all.

Styling is subjective, obviously, people want different things. An Apple will give you slim and portable, but it is not going to give you POWER.

A Lotus Elise will give you handling and small size, but it is not going to give you the huge power of a V8 Muscle car.

Ok, and hardly anybody really needs all of the power in a modern quad-core CPU and 130W GPU. It is hard to use 4 cores, and benchmarkers have to come up with special cases to test such things. Sure if you spend all day rendering movies then you need all the power you can get. And of course the server market is a completely different animal. But if you use the Internet, Word, Photoshop, etc. then you're not often limited by raw CPU or GPU speed. Even graphically demanding games can't really use 4 cores effectively. It's just so hard to write multi-threaded apps. That's why Netbooks are getting to be so popular: Even dual-core is overkill for many people. Personally, for my own usage, I think that dual-core is the sweet spot, but occasionally I use more than 2 cores.

On that note, I haven't seen anybody in this thread saying that MacBook Pros are the most powerful laptops ever made. That's totally beside the point.

I also find it really funny that in your first post in this thread, you stated that you did not read the OP, but yet you found the time to spend the next week arguing in this thread.

 

[MJinZ]

It doesn't always work that aerodynamic => beautiful, but a lot of time it does.



Yes, but what I meant was that the physical size of those 2 liter 4 cylinder engines isn't anywhere close to 1/10th the size of the older V8 or even V10 engines. Maybe 1/2 the size. There's a practical size limit to how small you can make a gasoline engine for a car. We've had 100 years of development of car engines, and nobody's made one that you can pick up with one hand or carry on your back. On the other hand, there's no practical size limit for how small you can make a computer. The components get smaller and more powerful each year. They are getting to the point where they are bumping against the physical size limits of the humans that use them: keyboard size and display size. Once we can get past both of those issues (and the iPad is halfway there on the first one), I expect computers will not be styled at all.



Ok, and hardly anybody really needs all of the power in a modern quad-core CPU and 130W GPU. It is hard to use 4 cores, and benchmarkers have to come up with special cases to test such things. Sure if you spend all day rendering movies then you need all the power you can get. And of course the server market is a completely different animal. But if you use the Internet, Word, Photoshop, etc. then you're not often limited by raw CPU or GPU speed. Even graphically demanding games can't really use 4 cores effectively. It's just so hard to write multi-threaded apps. That's why Netbooks are getting to be so popular: Even dual-core is overkill for many people. Personally, for my own usage, I think that dual-core is the sweet spot, but occasionally I use more than 2 cores.

On that note, I haven't seen anybody in this thread saying that MacBook Pros are the most powerful laptops ever made. That's totally beside the point.

I also find it really funny that in your first post in this thread, you stated that you did not read the OP, but yet you found the time to spend the next week arguing in this thread.

^_^

That's because I can't stand people who write a wall of text without proper formatting, punctuation, paragraph and line breaks. It literally is painful, like speaking to Indian tech support. Makes your insides church from the frustration.

 

[Hugh H]

Find me a 17-inch laptop with the battery life of the new 17in. MacBook Pro and I'm sold. Otherwise, I'm taking the plunge into the Mac world soon.

 

[jleach1]

Response
The bottom line is:

I have NEVER met a Windows user that refused to touch a mac...in fact, i've never met a windows user that couldn't like anything about mac. Windows users are quick to recognize the downsides of windows.

However, 90% of all of the apple users i've met have no objective reasoning when it comes to mac vs pc, or iphone vs smartphone. They often talk shit about windows, act stuck up and better than others, and that frame of mind that we've seen so many apple user get closes you off communications-wise with pc users. It also affects you in another way: when you get so childishly and unhealthily obsessed, and continue to speak of apple as if it's perfect, it blinds you from reality.

"If you say something over and over and over again, eventually you'll start to believe it."


I'm buying a macbook pro in a few weeks. Ill be able to objectively, and reasonably say which one is better. I know what windows can do, i've been reading on OSX for months, so i know what it can do, and i have to say...im not impressed. Something is inherently geeky about windows.

For school work (i'm buying it for med-school), i like what it does...but as far as getting my geek fix goes...windows is on another level.

Mac vs. PC

For the most part, i agree with someone on the first page of comments. He said an OS is an OS. Some user have seem to forgot...Apples uses the same hardware as windows pc's for most parts. In general, non-geeks who buy macs are the same type of people who would buy a sony 4 megapixel camera that uses 4 double a batteries, and has non-upgradeable 256mb of ram, over a 12 megapixel canon camera with 15 different modes, 4gb of storage, and a hundred features. The sony may take really good pictures for a 4 megapixel camera, but its still only 4 megapixels. And that camera will only be great until i take it to a sporting event and realize it blows.

(THIS WAS AN EXAGGERATION TO GET MY POINT ACROSS)

The point is: Windows has something...and then some, for everyone including me. If you get offended while reading this...then you're effectively immature, and you're beyond any logical discussion.


Thanks:
I would like the thank you slashbinbash. Kudos for speaking up. That by itself is enough for me to seperate you from the macboys. I enjoyed reading your post, and im excited to get my first mac: the core i5 mbp! I applaud you for keeping it real and objective. Post again soon. Good luck.

 

[sourceninja]

Response
The bottom line is:

I have NEVER met a Windows user that refused to touch a mac...in fact, i've never met a windows user that couldn't like anything about mac. Windows users are quick to recognize the downsides of windows.

However, 90% of all of the apple users i've met have no objective reasoning when it comes to mac vs pc, or iphone vs smartphone. They often talk shit about windows, act stuck up and better than others, and that frame of mind that we've seen so many apple user get closes you off communications-wise with pc users. It also affects you in another way: when you get so childishly and unhealthily obsessed, and continue to speak of apple as if it's perfect, it blinds you from reality.

"If you say something over and over and over again, eventually you'll start to believe it."


I'm buying a macbook pro in a few weeks. Ill be able to objectively, and reasonably say which one is better. I know what windows can do, i've been reading on OSX for months, so i know what it can do, and i have to say...im not impressed. Something is inherently geeky about windows.

For school work (i'm buying it for med-school), i like what it does...but as far as getting my geek fix goes...windows is on another level.

Mac vs. PC

For the most part, i agree with someone on the first page of comments. He said an OS is an OS. Some user have seem to forgot...Apples uses the same hardware as windows pc's for most parts. In general, non-geeks who buy macs are the same type of people who would buy a sony 4 megapixel camera that uses 4 double a batteries, and has non-upgradeable 256mb of ram, over a 12 megapixel canon camera with 15 different modes, 4gb of storage, and a hundred features. The sony may take really good pictures for a 4 megapixel camera, but its still only 4 megapixels. And that camera will only be great until i take it to a sporting event and realize it blows.

(THIS WAS AN EXAGGERATION TO GET MY POINT ACROSS)

The point is: Windows has something...and then some, for everyone including me. If you get offended while reading this...then you're effectively immature, and you're beyond any logical discussion.


Thanks:
I would like the thank you slashbinbash. Kudos for speaking up. That by itself is enough for me to seperate you from the macboys. I enjoyed reading your post, and im excited to get my first mac: the core i5 mbp! I applaud you for keeping it real and objective. Post again soon. Good luck.

Can you explain in what ways windows is more for geeks then osx? Everyone considers me a huge geek and I'd love to prove them wrong.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Windows isn't geeky. A lot of people are getting upset because Windows has started trying to be as un-geeky as Mac OS X. If you want geeky go Linux.

 

[MJinZ]

Can you explain in what ways windows is more for geeks then osx? Everyone considers me a huge geek and I'd love to prove them wrong.

Oh let's start with Newegg.com.

Oh look, almost 100% of that website caters to Windows.

 

[QueBert]

Windows is geeky? LOL I'm in OSX doing everything in Terminal, nothing on Windows comes even close to the geekiness of Terminal. Windows has CMD which is like a poor mans, low tech version of DOS.


Terminal > CMD any way of the week for pure geekiness.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

As a certified* geek I assert that geekdom is an attitude, a way of life, and a true geek is able to be geeky regardless of his or her operating system.

*I own a Pi t-shirt

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Windows is geeky? LOL I'm in OSX doing everything in Terminal, nothing on Windows comes even close to the geekiness of Terminal. Windows has CMD which is like a poor mans, low tech version of DOS.

All versions of Windows since Vista come with Powershell. It's like Bash but modern and arguably better.

 

[MJinZ]

As a certified* geek I assert that geekdom is an attitude, a way of life, and a true geek is able to be geeky regardless of his or her operating system.

*I own a Pi t-shirt

I don't think you can be much of a Geek with an Ipad. What are you going to do, boldly attempt to go to a website with Flash on it?

 

[TheWart]

I don't think you can be much of a Geek with an Ipad. What are you going to do, boldly attempt to go to a website with Flash on it?

Oh dang, I guess that means anyone who owns an android phone isnt a geek since those dont run flash either....

Your arguments are so full of fail dude, just give up.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I don't think you can be much of a Geek with an Ipad. What are you going to do, boldly attempt to go to a website with Flash on it?

Well I think it's fair to say that the guys who get way down into the OS to create jailbreak software are geeky. It's obviously much, much less likely that you're a true geek if you're on an iPad, I would agree with that. It's kind of annoying to us true geeks/nerds that being a "geek" or "nerd" has become "cool" - not because more people are doing geeky and nerdy stuff, but because they have co-opted the words to mean "someone who checks Facebook a couple of times a day".

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Oh dang, I guess that means anyone who owns an android phone isnt a geek since those dont run flash either....

Your arguments are so full of fail dude, just give up.

The new ones do. But you completely missed his point anyway - the iPad simply doesn't have the affordance for geekiness (unless you really know what you're doing). The Android on the other hand is an open source device with virtually no restrictions on the type of software that can be installed. Android has the affordance of a geek device. iPad does not.

 

[TheWart]

The new ones do. But you completely missed his point anyway - the iPad simply doesn't have the affordance for geekiness (unless you really know what you're doing). The Android on the other hand is an open source device with virtually no restrictions on the type of software that can be installed. Android has the affordance of a geek device. iPad does not.

So is jailbreaking an ipad or iphone really that much more difficult than rooting android and installing a custom rom? I think not. And since you can run android on an iphone per the hack that was shown off a couple of days ago, doesn't that make the iphone the ultimate geek device per your logic? lol

 

[MJinZ]

Oh dang, I guess that means anyone who owns an android phone isnt a geek since those dont run flash either....

Your arguments are so full of fail dude, just give up.

Oh dang, I didn't realize the Ipad was a phone??? :awe:

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

So is jailbreaking an ipad or iphone really that much more difficult than rooting android and installing a custom rom? I think not. And since you can run android on an iphone per the hack that was shown off a couple of days ago, doesn't that make the iphone the ultimate geek device per your logic? lol

Yikes, way to completely miss the point. Impressive, in a way.

Any dumbshit can install a root/jailbreak. That doesn't make one a geek.

And since you can run android on an iphone per the hack that was shown off a couple of days ago, doesn't that make the iphone the ultimate geek device per your logic?

Not if you actually understand "my logic". Which you don't. At all.

 

[sourceninja]

Oh let's start with Newegg.com.

Oh look, almost 100% of that website caters to Windows.

And the real geeks are those of us who buy stuff from them exclusively to not use windows.

You really think all that hardware is windows only? I've built at least a dozen computers from newegg and only 1 or 2 ran windows. I've even built a hackintosh.

Windows has one redeeming quality. A quality I have no use for. It can play games.

I still don't see how using an OS makes you a geek.

 

[Kmax82]

I have learned more about "geeky-ness" in the 5 years I've owned a Mac, than in the 10 years prior that I used Windows.

I'm not saying I couldn't have learned the same on Windows, but a lot of the things that I could do with a GUI in Windows is easier to do in Terminal on OS X. Forced me to learn cmd lines, which got me into Linux, and also into being able to manage a server strictly from Terminal via SSH. Hadn't ever done anything remotely close to that with Windows.

Again, not saying that I couldn't have done it with Windows.. just saying.. I stuck to the GUI versions of apps, and understood a HECK of a lot less than I do now.

 

[MJinZ]

And the real geeks are those of us who buy stuff from them exclusively to not use windows.

You really think all that hardware is windows only? I've built at least a dozen computers from newegg and only 1 or 2 ran windows. I've even built a hackintosh.

Windows has one redeeming quality. A quality I have no use for. It can play games.

I still don't see how using an OS makes you a geek.

Yes, those are almost 100% Windows Only. You violated your own God's Ethos by building a Hackintosh anyway.

 

[MJinZ]

I have learned more about "geeky-ness" in the 5 years I've owned a Mac, than in the 10 years prior that I used Windows.

I'm not saying I couldn't have learned the same on Windows, but a lot of the things that I could do with a GUI in Windows is easier to do in Terminal on OS X. Forced me to learn cmd lines, which got me into Linux, and also into being able to manage a server strictly from Terminal via SSH. Hadn't ever done anything remotely close to that with Windows.

Again, not saying that I couldn't have done it with Windows.. just saying.. I stuck to the GUI versions of apps, and understood a HECK of a lot less than I do now.

That's awesome. So where OS X failed you in the GUI equivalent, it forced you into Terminal.

 

[TheWart]

edit: nm, I am not even going to feed the obvious troll.