Rand Paul - What First Amendment?

[GarfieldtheCat]

That brilliant younger Paul, has decided that the first amendment isn't important I guess. He states that anyone listening to violent hate speeches should be thrown in jail or deported.

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PAUL: I’m not for profiling people on the color of their skin, or on their religion, but I would take into account where they’ve been traveling and perhaps, you might have to indirectly take into account whether or not they’ve been going to radical political speeches by religious leaders. It wouldn’t be that they are Islamic. But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison.

I thought he wanted civil liberties? I guess not.

And before anyone comes in with the usual cluelessness saying that this is legal, no it's not, the USSC said it was illegal 40 years ago.

Brandenburg vs Ohio

 

[spidey07]

Once again liberals side with the terrorists.

 

[soundforbjt]

Once again a conservative (spidey) is against constitutional rights when it suits his ideology.

 

[spidey07]

Once again a conservative (spidey) is against constitutional rights when it suits his ideology.

Sen. Paul was simply making the case for why profiling works and why it should be used. If foreigners come in and try to make war against the US then we should deport them or lock them up, that simple.

Such tactics were recently used to nail two terrorists here in KY just yesterday. Smelled like terrorist, looked like terrorist, fit the profile to a tee and they got busted. Profiling WORKS.

Little jihadis going to mosques that preach terror and war against the infidel SHOULD be investigated as well as any who support them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Once again a conservative (spidey) is against constitutional rights when it suits his ideology.

It is a sound ideology to oppose Islamic terrorism.

The question on how to legally deal with it is a good debate over what we can or cannot do. The problem is not what we do to them, but what precidence our actions against them set. For our government's treatment of the rest of us will be based on that, and therein lies the danger.

 

[Duder1no]

first Ron Paul doesn't believe in Evolution and now this retarded bullshit too

PAUL: I’m not for profiling people on the color of their skin, or on their religion, but I would take into account where they’ve been traveling and perhaps, you might have to indirectly take into account whether or not they’ve been going to radical political speeches by religious leaders. It wouldn’t be that they are Islamic. But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison.

holy contradictions batman, this guy is losing his mind

 

[werepossum]

It is a sound ideology to oppose Islamic terrorism.

The question on how to legally deal with it is a good debate over what we can or cannot do. The problem is not what we do to them, but what precidence our actions against them set. For our government's treatment of the rest of us will be based on that, and therein lies the danger.

Well said. Of course, my liberal side is outraged that Paul has shirked his Congressional duty of sending snaps of his junk to coeds everywhere just to take up the trifling issue of terrorism, but you do make a good point. Perhaps the time diverted from junk-snap-sending will pay off . . .

 

[Jaskalas]

holy contradictions batman, this guy is losing his mind

What contradiction? What he said is just as easily applied to Christians, Jews, Muslims, or anyone "attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government". I do not see skin or religion singled out. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Siddhartha]

first Ron Paul doesn't believe in Evolution and now this retarded bullshit too



holy contradictions batman, this guy is losing his mind

Ron or Rand?

 

[soundforbjt]

Sen. Paul was simply making the case for why profiling works and why it should be used.

Still shouldn't be used.

If foreigners come in and try to make war against the US then we should deport them or lock them up, that simple.

I agree.

Such tactics were recently used to nail two terrorists here in KY just yesterday. Smelled like terrorist, looked like terrorist, fit the profile to a tee and they got busted. Profiling WORKS.

Doesn't mean it should be used. Torture might work once in a while on criminals, doesn't make it right to use.

Little jihadis going to mosques that preach terror and war against the infidel SHOULD be investigated as well as any who support them.

Watched, yes. Locked up and deported, no, unless they do something illegal.

 

[spidey07]

What contradiction? What he said is just as easily applied to Christians, Jews, Muslims, or anyone "attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government". I do not see skin or religion singled out. Do you have a problem with that?

Waaa! But sedition is my constitutional right! Waaaa!

 

[Duder1no]

What contradiction? What he said is just as easily applied to Christians, Jews, Muslims, or anyone "attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government". I do not see skin or religion singled out. Do you have a problem with that?

first he says that he is not for profiling but then goes and justifies it

if that is not a contradiction of terms then i don't know what is

 

[BoberFett]

first Ron Paul doesn't believe in Evolution and now this retarded bullshit too



holy contradictions batman, this guy is losing his mind

This is about Rand Paul. Ron is [hopefully] embarrassed by his son's statement.

 

[Duder1no]

Ron or Rand?

This is about Rand Paul. Ron is [hopefully] embarrassed by his son's statement.

oh never mind, my bad

 

[matt0611]

first he says that he is not for profiling but then goes and justifies it

if that is not a contradiction of terms then i don't know what is

Based on the color of their skin or religion.
I mean, if someone is openly plotting the overthrow or our government, or is involved with people that do that, I would think that it would probably be a good idea to check them out at the airport as opposed to some random guy, but thats just me.

 

[Turin39789]

Wonder if anyone at a Tea Party rally ever mentioned the violent overthrow of the government.

 

[Siddhartha]

Wonder if anyone at a Tea Party rally ever mentioned the violent overthrow of the government.

I think Mr Paul was referring to Muslims.

 

[wuliheron]

Once again a conservative (spidey) is against constitutional rights when it suits his ideology.

If you're right wing then you have rights. If you're left wing then you get left out. I don't see what the confusion is about.

 

[spidey07]

first he says that he is not for profiling but then goes and justifies it

if that is not a contradiction of terms then i don't know what is

He's saying he's for profiling based on behavior and activity. And he's making a great point.

 

[soundforbjt]

He's saying he's for profiling based on behavior and activity. And he's making a great point.

Yes, if your white & Christian, no problem, If your brown and wear a "funny" hat & go to a mosque, you should be under suspicion and watched.

 

[zsdersw]

But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after -- they should be deported or put in prison.

So attending certain speeches should result in deportation/imprisonment? That's what's offensive about his comment... to me, anyway.

Either it's poorly worded or he truly feels that way... neither of which is acceptable.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Waaa! But sedition is my constitutional right! Waaaa!

Isn't spidey the guy who signs almost every other post with "Fuck BHO"?

 

[CallMeJoe]

He's saying he's for profiling based on behavior and activity. And he's making a great point.

No, he's for arrest or deportation based on listening to offensive speech.

 

[Anarchist420]

I hope and believe that Dr. Rand Paul is being taken out of context.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think people are still struggling, ten years later, to find a way to target Islamic terrorists.

Our failures which both Bush and Obama champion include such jewels as the Patriot Act ignoring the Bill of Rights, and the TSA openly molesting your families. In that context, whether Paul's attempt is accurate enough pales in comparison.

Republicans and Democrats have massively f'ed up anything that resembles a reasonable and proper response to Islamic terrorism.