Rand Paul reversed his position on medical marijuana.

[Moonbeam]

Progressives don't need a reason to call someone a racist.

Of course. Racists self-identify.

 

[xj0hnx]

There are no blacks and whites. There is only one human race with members of graded capacities to synthesize vitamin D or alternately protect themselves from skin cancer, the twin curses of more or less sunlight in the area where our most recent progenitors evolved. Prior to maybe around two hundred thousand years ago all humans were very probably black.

The reason that all human beings are equal is that they are all created in the image of God and all loved equally by Him. Thus our rights are inalienable and now constitutionally fixed in our law. Those of us dedicated to becoming more polished images of God will work toward greater and greater equality, I should think. No?

So is that your convoluted why of saying Yes, blacks and whites are equals? If so than you have to admit that Affirmative Action is racist as it gives one an advantage based on skin color.

 

[Moonbeam]

So is that your convoluted why of saying Yes, blacks and whites are equals? If so than you have to admit that Affirmative Action is racist as it gives one an advantage based on skin color.

It is my way of saying there is no question of blacks and whites being equal unless you are a racist. Black and white are different adoptions to the sun by the one and only human race.

You are right if you look at the matter while brain dead. In context, however, it isn't so simple. The fact is that past discrimination has created an inequality that lingers and needs to be addressed. The main function of affirmative action is to affirm broaden the search for people of color with equal skills but who are normally not considered because of race and the continued negatives created by racism toward them. People who are conservative don't like to change and they don't like having to learn to deal with blacks if they can avoid it and haven't had to for some reason. The law creates that reason and reduces bigotry over time. Affirmative action is like aversion therapy. People who are sick would rather stay that way unless their survival is at stake. Then the adapt.

 

[Jhhnn]

So is that your convoluted why of saying Yes, blacks and whites are equals? If so than you have to admit that Affirmative Action is racist as it gives one an advantage based on skin color.

Heh. You attitude is like that of a guy who comes up out of his root cellar to find devastation everywhere and proclaims that everything is just fine... because the tornado is gone....

The fact that Rand Paul could even say some of the stuff he has should tell you that's not true at all wrt race relations in America. The fact that it has gained him a following should tell you even more.

And that's just one side of it. We're all both beneficiaries and victims of the culture in which we live, and anybody who thinks that centuries of slavery and discrimination against blacks hasn't made a mark on them culturally has shit fer brains. And anybody who thinks that the abolishment of de jure discrimination magically ended de facto segregation is similarly afflicted.

Even though it was illegal, it just kept on happening anyway... Imagine that- you can't wipe out hatred and ridicule ingrained into white culture over hundreds of years with the stroke of a pen. Who'da thunk it?

Turns out it's a lot like other things that won't heal w/o corrective action. Compound fractures need to be set, violent criminals need to be locked up for a period of time so they might change their ways.

And black and white america needed to be forced to work together and live in the same neighborhoods so that our larger culture and society could heal, too, so we could see that we're really a lot more alike than different, that we're all human beings with the same basic capabilities and desires. All our lives are richer and less stupid for it.

 

[hal2kilo]

It is my way of saying there is no question of blacks and whites being equal unless you are a racist. Black and white are different adoptions to the sun by the one and only human race.

You are right if you look at the matter while brain dead. In context, however, it isn't so simple. The fact is that past discrimination has created an inequality that lingers and needs to be addressed. The main function of affirmative action is to affirm broaden the search for people of color with equal skills but who are normally not considered because of race and the continued negatives created by racism toward them. People who are conservative don't like to change and they don't like having to learn to deal with blacks if they can avoid it and haven't had to for some reason. The law creates that reason and reduces bigotry over time. Affirmative action is like aversion therapy. People who are sick would rather stay that way unless their survival is at stake. Then the adapt.

Also, although sometimes attempted, blacks can't hide their blackness, unlike the irish for example who could pretend to be a WASP, at one point were also discriminated against in this country.

 

[Moonbeam]

Also, although sometimes attempted, blacks can't hide their blackness, unlike the irish for example who could pretend to be a WASP, at one point were also discriminated against in this country.

I mentioned that point earlier somewhere.

 

[bfdd]

It is my way of saying there is no question of blacks and whites being equal unless you are a racist. Black and white are different adoptions to the sun by the one and only human race.

You are right if you look at the matter while brain dead. In context, however, it isn't so simple. The fact is that past discrimination has created an inequality that lingers and needs to be addressed. The main function of affirmative action is to affirm broaden the search for people of color with equal skills but who are normally not considered because of race and the continued negatives created by racism toward them. People who are conservative don't like to change and they don't like having to learn to deal with blacks if they can avoid it and haven't had to for some reason. The law creates that reason and reduces bigotry over time. Affirmative action is like aversion therapy. People who are sick would rather stay that way unless their survival is at stake. Then the adapt.

So they're equal, but because in shit happened in the past we shouldn't treat them as such? Affirmative Action does no such thing as find people of equal skill to fill a spot. If you are granted 20 points because you're black and you score a 110 and an asian or white kid scores a 129 you get in over them because of your 20 extra points, you're 19 points worse than the other person but because we gave you free points you're now better. That's what you're saying. I'm saying lets treat everyone equally and go after the people that don't.

There's no reason to treat people different based on their skin color and yes that's what you're arguing for.

 

[Carmen813]

What a worthless bunch of progressive loony dribble. Affirmative Action gives advantage to people based solely on the color of their skin, it is the definition of racism.

No, that's not what affirmative action does.

I'll support abolishing affirmative action when all the privileges I have for being born white and male are gone as well.

 

[Thump553]

WTF does Paul's previous flipflopping on affiirmative action/Civil Rights Act of 1964 have to do with his positions on medical marijuana?

Early on in this thread someone claimed Rand has been misquoted, but gave no evidence of this. I'd like to see such evidence-but it's hard to produce when the candidate is running a princess campaign and refusing to be interviewed. Shades of GWB, carried to the extreme.

 

[xj0hnx]

No, that's not what affirmative action does.

I'll support abolishing affirmative action when all the privileges I have for being born white and male are gone as well.

You're right, it does much more than that. It keeps the idea that minorities need that extra step up, alive and well. It embeds a sense of inequality in the mind, and creates resentment that fosters further victim mentality and racism. Until we can move past using race, than race will be used.

Your "privileges from being white" are more from class than color. Until the systems that make skin color an issue are gone, racism will exist. Laws don't erase what is in man's heart and mind.

 

[Vette73]

I see some said it was not true but can;t find any story saying it was not?
Even his site, Rands, does not have anything.

 

[hal2kilo]

I mentioned that point earlier somewhere.

Missed it. I really could give a flying f about someone named after a person who writes fiction about a disgusting philosophy, so I wasn't scanning that closely. Figures you'd cover most of the points about how racism towards blacks is different than towards other minorities.

 

[Jhhnn]

WTF does Paul's previous flipflopping on affiirmative action/Civil Rights Act of 1964 have to do with his positions on medical marijuana?

It's related in the sense that Rand is selling out in whatever direction is convenient at the time. It's not like he ever had a philosophy, a plan, or any sort of underlying principles in the first place... but he doesn't need any of that to get a fair % of the loyalist kneejerk repub brand vote, anyway... he has name recognition, something that's carried more than a few other dolts into high office...

 

[CallMeJoe]

Missed it. I really could give a flying f about someone named after a person who writes fiction about a disgusting philosophy, so I wasn't scanning that closely. Figures you'd cover most of the points about how racism towards blacks is different than towards other minorities.

IIRC, his name is Randall; Rand is a diminutive.

 

[hal2kilo]

IIRC, his name is Randall; Rand is a diminutive.

My bad. I just assumed as his father is a libertopian, that it had something to do with Ayn Rand.

From his own mouth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-R_OeP6tU

 

[Harvey]

IIRC, his name is Randall; Rand is a diminutive.

So are his integrity, ethics and intellectual capabilities.

 

[CallMeJoe]

So are his integrity, ethics and intellectual capabilities.

:thumbsup: I originally wrote "nickname", but couldn't resist giving someone the setup.