Rand Paul reversed his position on medical marijuana.

[Phokus]

LOL, look at your link? A neighborhood barbershop in Louisiana? That's digging deep.

You were implying that if the CRA was abolished that we wouldn't see any businesses that would suddenly go racist. I showed you a business that has a racist policy despite the CRA. You would have to be dumb as hell to think that there wouldn't be more of those if the CRA was abolished.

That's your cross to bear, not mine.

Hey guess what, YOU made an assertion, YOU Have to back it up. That's the way it works.

BTW, you never answered, "What law caused a lot of businesses to offer services and support for customers who only speak Spanish?" Not that I was really expecting you to.

That's different than having a 'whites only' policy.

 

[xj0hnx]

You were implying that if the CRA was abolished that we wouldn't see any businesses that would suddenly go racist. I showed you a business that has a racist policy despite the CRA. You would have to be dumb as hell to think that there wouldn't be more of those if the CRA was abolished.

I think his point is that there are already businesses that have racial overtones, but that the majority of businesses would indeed not become racially segregated nowadays if it (CRA) were gone. Seriously though a barber shop in the deep south? I could find you barber shops in the deep south that would kick you for being white too ...so what?

 

[dahunan]

ohnooooes, medical marijuana! Because even though we're facing the largest, most crony government within the last century, we still need our fake diseases to drug ourselves into oblivion!

Fake? Hmmm.. I am going to guess that you really do not have anyone at all in your life that you Love? I hope you can find it so you learn to have compassion for the suffering of others. Do not wait until Karma takes action on you...

 

[bamacre]

You were implying that if the CRA was abolished that we wouldn't see any businesses that would suddenly go racist. I showed you a business that has a racist policy despite the CRA. You would have to be dumb as hell to think that there wouldn't be more of those if the CRA was abolished.

No, I wasn't implying that at all. I intentionally allowed you to think so, because I knew you'd come up with some small, local insignificant business, proving my point. You fell for it. And beautifully.

That's different than having a 'whites only' policy.

No, it's not. It's evidence that financial incentive, the free market, caters to those with money. There is no law making a company like Sprint offer "press 1 for English." Spanish-speaking Americans have money, and businesses are there to cater to them.

 

[Phokus]

I think his point is that there are already businesses that have racial overtones, but that the majority of businesses would indeed not become racially segregated nowadays if it (CRA) were gone. Seriously though a barber shop in the deep south? I could find you barber shops in the deep south that would kick you for being white too ...so what?

Who said anything about 'majority' of businesses? he asked me to name ONE business that would do it, i can point to one that already does with the CRA in place. I never said there would be a mad rush to make every business 'whites only' if the cra was repealed.

Also, just because a business is owned by a hispanic person and hispanic themed doesn't mean they don't want whites or other racial groups doing business with them. Where the fuck are you guys getting this. There's a hispanic neighborhood where i work and i get food from restaurants and go to their stores for drinks all the time and they don't seem to have a problem with it even though they're 'hispanic themed'.

 

[bamacre]

Who said anything about 'majority' of businesses? he asked me to name ONE business that would do it, i can point to one that already does with the CRA in place. I never said there would be a mad rush to make every business 'whites only' if the cra was repealed.

Also, just because a business is owned by a hispanic person and hispanic themed doesn't mean they don't want whites or other racial groups doing business with them. Where the fuck are you guys getting this. There's a hispanic neighborhood where i work and i get food from restaurants and go to their stores for drinks all the time and they don't seem to have a problem with it even though they're 'hispanic themed'.

Keep shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Phokus]

No, I wasn't implying that at all. I intentionally allowed you to think so, because I knew you'd come up with some small, local insignificant business, proving my point. You fell for it. And beautifully.

Ahahaha, sure you did, sure you did. Holy shit you're dumb. Admit it, you thought those didn't exist in this day in age.

No, it's not. It's evidence that financial incentive, the free market, caters to those with money. There is no law making a company like Sprint offer "press 1 for English." Spanish-speaking Americans have money, and businesses are there to cater to them.

Now i KNOW you're on crack. So you're saying a business that uses spanish to attract spanish speaking customers are is somehow the same as a business that explicitly keeps out everyone but whites? AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH

 

[Phokus]

Keep shooting yourself in the foot.

Hypothetically speaking, if that one section of the Civil Rights Act was repealed, can you name ONE business that would refuse black customers?

Uh huh.

So let me get this straight, it has to be a national chain in order for this to 'count'?

Keep moving the goal posts

 

[Phokus]

Actually, what i really find interesting about libertarians like bamacre is how when presented with evidence that their ideology is terrible and just flat out doesn't work:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_2_108/ai_n15681393/

That they don't actually address the fact that their ideology is terrible and deflect with shit that doesn't make sense (like implying that the south is somehow less racist than the north based on this article when nowhere does it imply that).

Hey bamacre, when *I* was a libertarian, i read over and over that racism would be eliminated in the free market because it's unprofitable to be racist since you're making your business less efficient by not always hiring the best possible candidate.

Tell me why a white felon would be on better or equal ground than a black person with no criminal record when it comes to employment and tell me why businesses aren't going out of business in droves because they refuse to hire the best possible candidate and instead choose a racist hiring strategy?

I'm not going to let you dodge this one.

 

[bamacre]

Ahahaha, sure you did, sure you did. Holy shit you're dumb. Admit it, you thought those didn't exist in this day in age.

Haha. Hell, I admit that if it were allowed, there would be some businesses that would discriminate based on race. My point is that it wouldn't matter, not that they wouldn't. Your point, I assume, is that people can't handle freedom. I know they can.

Now i KNOW you're on crack. So you're saying a business that uses spanish to attract spanish speaking customers are is somehow the same as a business that explicitly keeps out everyone but whites? AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH

Like I said, it is evidence that the free market works here, that Spanish speaking people are not left out.

 

[bamacre]

Actually, what i really find interesting about libertarians like bamacre is how when presented with evidence that their ideology is terrible and just flat out doesn't work:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_2_108/ai_n15681393/

That they don't actually address the fact that their ideology is terrible and deflect with shit that doesn't make sense (like implying that the south is somehow less racist than the north based on this article when nowhere does it imply that).

Hey bamacre, when *I* was a libertarian, i read over and over that racism would be eliminated in the free market because it's unprofitable to be racist since you're making your business less efficient by not always hiring the best possible candidate.

Tell me why a white felon would be on better or equal ground than a black person with no criminal record when it comes to employment and tell me why businesses aren't going out of business in droves because they refuse to hire the best possible candidate and instead choose a racist hiring strategy?

I'm not going to let you dodge this one.

I don't need to dodge it. I never said that free markets were perfect.

Let me ask you, how could government solve this issue?

 

[Phokus]

Haha. Hell, I admit that if it were allowed, there would be some businesses that would discriminate based on race. My point is that it wouldn't matter, not that they wouldn't. Your point, I assume, is that people can't handle freedom. I know they can.

Hey guess what, lots of people are irrational and racist (look at the Jena 6 community). Of course the majority can handle freedom... but often at the minority's expense.

Like I said, it is evidence that the free market works here, that Spanish speaking people are not left out.

That's ONLY because they have exponential growth as a minority and thus makes sense to put money in that. Why doesn't sprint (your example) have the option for portugese, arabic, or chinese? Oh that's right, because they don't represent a significant part of the population like spanish speaking latinos do.

 

[bamacre]

Hey guess what, lots of people are irrational and racist (look at the Jena 6 community). Of course the majority can handle freedom... but often at the minority's expense.

What are you trying to say here?

That's ONLY because they have exponential growth as a minority and thus makes sense to put money in that. Why doesn't sprint (your example) have the option for portugese, arabic, or chinese? Oh that's right, because they don't represent a significant part of the population like spanish speaking latinos do.

Exactly. Oh wait, do you think Sprint should be required by law to offer Chinese language support for people who speak Chinese? Or do you support Sprint's right to not offer service to people who don't speak English?

 

[Phokus]

I don't need to dodge it. I never said that free markets were perfect.

Let me ask you, how could government solve this issue?

Well at least we can get rid of one shitty republican/libertarian talking point about racism being unprofitable.

We can start with government employement.

While blacks face a lot of racism in the private sector, based on the study shown, it seems the federal government (which i assume would probably have much stronger measures against racist hiring) picks up the slack... the percentage of black workers in the federal government seems to be higher than the percentage of blacks in the US:

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/demograp/table1mw.pdf

 

[her209]

Exactly. Oh wait, do you think Sprint should be required by law to offer Chinese language support for people who speak Chinese? Or do you support Sprint's right to not offer service to people who don't speak English?

Are you trying to conflate language and race as a basis for doing business?

 

[Phokus]

What are you trying to say here?

That people are racist as fuck still and whether you're screwed over by that racism or not in a free market economy depends on whether your in the majority or not.

Exactly. Oh wait, do you think Sprint should be required by law to offer Chinese language support for people who speak Chinese? Or do you support Sprint's right to not offer service to people who don't speak English?

This really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that sprint offering spanish speaking customer service has nothing to do with a business not allowing anyone other than whites to do business with them. That was what we were talking about.

The analogy would only be the same is if sprint said, 'hispanics only'.

 

[bamacre]

Well at least we can get rid of one shitty republican/libertarian talking point about racism being unprofitable.

We can start with government employement.

While blacks face a lot of racism in the private sector, based on the study shown, it seems the federal government (which i assume would probably have much stronger measures against racist hiring) picks up the slack... the percentage of black workers in the federal government seems to be higher than the percentage of blacks in the US:

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/demograp/table1mw.pdf

So, what exactly is your government solution?

 

[Phokus]

Are you trying to conflate language and race as a basis for doing business?

It seems that way. According to him, "whites only" is the same thing as "Press 1 for English, para continuar en espanol, oprima el numero dos"

 

[bamacre]

Are you trying to conflate language and race as a basis for doing business?

No.

 

[Phokus]

So, what exactly is your government solution?

Did you not read the rest of the post? If the private sector is basically going to say, 'no blacks', black people are going to have to get employment SOMEWHERE, right? And the federal government seems to be picking up the slack there.

Not a perfect solution, of course, but for millions of african americans, a pretty good one.

 

[bamacre]

That people are racist as fuck still

I don't think so. I think those who are racist are a small minority.

and whether you're screwed over by that racism or not in a free market economy depends on whether your in the majority or not.

This is the part I don't understand.

This really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that sprint offering spanish speaking customer service has nothing to do with a business not allowing anyone other than whites to do business with them. That was what we were talking about.

The analogy would only be the same is if sprint said, 'hispanics only'.

My apology, I assumed your level of thinking was deeper.

 

[bamacre]

Did you not read the rest of the post? If the private sector is basically going to say, 'no blacks', black people are going to have to get employment SOMEWHERE, right? And the federal government seems to be picking up the slack there.

Not a perfect solution, of course, but for millions of african americans, a pretty good one.

LOL, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I didn't want to assume your solution would be for the government to hire minority waiters, barbers, shoe makers, and programmers.

 

[Phokus]

I don't think so. I think those who are racist are a small minority.

Then how does this happen:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_2_108/ai_n15681393/

or

this

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3495/is_2_48/ai_97873146/

or the Jena 6?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_6

Everyone is racist, the question is to what extent.

This is the part I don't understand.

How can you not? Take a retail business that requires a lot of customer facing sales associates. if the majority of customers are white, then it's usually profitable to hire sales associates who interact with them to be white as well and either reject applicants of color or hire them only for positions where the customer doesn't see them.

My apology, I assumed your level of thinking was deeper.

Yes, this coming from the confused libertarian.

 

[Phokus]

LOL, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here. I didn't want to assume your solution would be for the government to hire minority waiters, barbers, shoe makers, and programmers.

That's part of it. But based on your post, i would assume you would want those government jobs eliminated and african americans to just starve on the street.

The other solution is, of course, quotas, but apparently that's as big or even bigger no-no for you.

 

[Phokus]

One more thing, bamacre, i just remembered the place where i work (a fortune 500) has quotas, to an extent, because we do some business with the federal government and they require a certain number of minorities in order to do business. There's another another source of jobs.