Raids target Christian militia in Midwest

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JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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fallout man said:
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I'm disappointed that the Christian community has been so silent in response to these religious extremists and their extremist threats. When will the Christian community act to strongly condemn the actions of the religious extremists within their ranks?

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your a real nut job thats for sure.

Why should the mainstream christian community care about these wacko jobs?
They do not reflect at all on Christianity as a whole.
Only in your warped mind can you possibly believe otherwise!
 
sandorski

sandorski

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"The group proclaims on a Web site that it is "preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive." "

That sounds like that Christian RTS Game released a few years back. Hmm, maybe Video Games do incite violence? :eek:
 
kage69

kage69

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fbi_raids

From the story link:

"Nine suspects tied to a Christian militia in the Midwest are charged with conspiring to kill police officers, then attack a funeral in the hopes of killing more law enforcement personnel, federal prosecutors said Monday.

U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said agents moved on the group because the Hutaree members were planning a violent reconaissance mission sometime in April — just a few days away.

Members of the group called Hutaree are charged in the case, including their leader, David Brian Stone, also known as "Captain Hutaree."

Once other officers gathered for a slain officer's funeral, the group planned to detonate homemade bombs at the funeral, killing more, according to newly unsealed court papers.

According to the indictment, the idea of attacking a police funeral was one of numerous scenarios discussed as ways to go after law enforcement officers. Other scenarios included a fake 911 call to lure an officer to his or her death, or an attack on the family of a police officer.

After such attacks, the group allegedly planned to retreat to "rally points" protected by trip-wired improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for what they expected would become a violent standoff with law enforcement personnel.

"It is believed by the Hutaree that this engagement would then serve as a catalyst for a more wide-sread uprising against the government," the indictment charges."




I'm confused, so many here point to Muslims and mock their religion with the "religion of peace" comment, yet here are god fearing Americans trying to apply AQ-like tactics against law enforcement.

Wide-spread anti-government uprising? Are we taking bets if these assholes have a fondness for teabags? Come on christians, time to speak out on these guys the way you wish moderate muslims would concerning their own crazy fringe groups.
 
highland145

highland145

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I'm confused,
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Why? A nut from any other tree is still a nut.

Come on christians, time to speak out on these guys the way you wish moderate muslims would concerning their own crazy fringe groups.
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:thumbsdown: That was me speaking out.
 
Elfear

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If the terrorist acts by fringe Christian groups ever reaches the heights currently observed in the Muslim world, then Christianity will have occasion to speak out. Do you really think most people's perspective of Christians is that they are violent terrorists? If the perspective isn't such, why would Christians need to speak out? It's a given that the vast majority of Christians (i.e. 99%) see this groups' acts as completely wrong.
 
kage69

kage69

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highland145 said:
Why? A nut from any other tree is still a nut.
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Preaching to the choir my friend. My sarcasm was directed at those who maintain that terrorism is unique to Islam, and that christians are really good decent folk who wouldn't hurt anyone, let alone other Americans via despicable acts of cowardice.

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That was me speaking out.
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Good for you, and so eloquent!
 
werepossum

werepossum

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ericlp said:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/28/militia.arrests/?hpt=Sbin

So when they are in jail, I wonder if they think it was god's will that they go to jail. These people are seriously mind warped...

I'm kinda wondering how many faith based groups are on the verge of becoming 'bad' for society.

Will be interesting to see what the motive was and where we draw the line against these freaks. I feel sorry for law enforcement that will have to deal with these types that are on a mission from god after lubing up the AR-16 that can be easily and readily purchased from anywhere on line. I believe religion in this country is like a ticking time bomb.
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From a progressive standpoint, that would be all of them.

BTW, anyone notice that this falls exactly in line with the Obama administration's redefinition of terrorist groups?

Yoda, Fallout Man is simply saying what we all say about Muslims. Equally fair to say it about us Christians - although I would point out that these groups haven't hurt anyone, they've merely fallen out of favor with a government that, like the OP, has only distrust and disdain for Christians and doesn't think individuals can be trusted with weapons.
 
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rudder

rudder

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kage69 said:
I'm confused, so many here point to Muslims and mock their religion with the "religion of peace" comment, yet here are god fearing Americans trying to apply AQ-like tactics against law enforcement.
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Maybe it could be that .0002% of christians in the country go beyond annoying people and are violent. Compare that to the numbers of Muslims who feel that blowing up innocent people is ok. You can do the google search yourself or I can link to the disparity in number of instances through headlines.
 
kage69

kage69

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Elfear said:
If the terrorist acts by fringe Christian groups ever reaches the heights currently observed in the Muslim world, then Christianity will have occasion to speak out. Do you really think most people's perspective of Christians is that they are violent terrorists? If the perspective isn't such, why would Christians need to speak out? It's a given that the vast majority of Christians (i.e. 99%) see this groups' acts as completely wrong.
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Don't act like this is the only event concerning extremist christians with guns. Your need for numerical equivalence isn't shared by those who note that we, as an educated, 1st world country with a dominant religion that did experience a moderate reformation, should have higher standards than that of a region of 3rd world countries dominated by a 15th century religion.
I just think it's funny that we Americans are so quick to judge a group by the actions of slim majority, but if we feel it's being done to us, then naturally the "few bad apples" argument rears it's head.
I personally don't see christians as violent terrorists, but my views of them have shifted dramatically over the last decade or so, due to surprisingly widespread support I've noticed for events like the assassination of Dr. Tiller, and the surge of racism and hate leveled at Obama for his victory and subsequent policies.

Regardless, I am aware of the trend that a group can usually criticize other groups, but is loathe to look at itself under the same standards.
 
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Infohawk

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JEDIYoda said:
your a real nut job thats for sure.

Why should the mainstream christian community care about these wacko jobs?
They do not reflect at all on Christianity as a whole.
Only in your warped mind can you possibly believe otherwise!
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Does that apply to terrorism and muslims too then?
 
kage69

kage69

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Jaskalas said:
What religion are those who stopped them?
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Unknown, and immaterial really...

But I'm not surprised you would try to divert. Other than your slightly disturbing fixation of the notion of civil war, I recall a thread of mine about the million plus Turks who marched in support of a secular government, and you basically popped in and said 'This isn't a big deal. All muslims think alike and this is a lie.'

In other words, shoo fly shoo...
 
highland145

highland145

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kage69 said:
the assassination of Dr. Tiller, and the surge of racism and hate leveled at Obama for his victory and subsequent policies.
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From a pro life stand point, Tiller was worse than a pedophile or similar ilk. Not saying a Christian stand point.

As far as P-BO, it's his policies/ideologies not race, for me anyway. I'd swap him out for a southern African American female any time. Condi Rice.
 
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