As a current CL TNT2 (with crap 2D) to a future Nvidia Card Owner (NV20 Line)..
I am very happy that ATI have excellent 2D!!
Lets hope that Nvidia take note, and urge the Board Manufactures not to skimp on Quality.
I am very happy that ATI have excellent 2D!!
Lets hope that Nvidia take note, and urge the Board Manufactures not to skimp on Quality.
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers. Next card generation, maybe...
Shukaido
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
Shukaido
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
Shukaido
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
Shukaido
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
I probably would have bought a Radeon if it hadn't been for ATI's famously bad Windows 2000 drivers.
Not a Radeon owner myself (yet), but word on the net is ATI's latest drivers for W2K vastly improve over original drivers and bring performance within 10% of W98 performance. Granted, 10% is still significant, but sounds like very high quality and quite playable @ 1024x768x32.
BFG10K
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BFG, I play Q2, Half-Life and UT all in 32 bit color. I don't know for sure if Unreal uses 32 bit. I dont see an option for it. I can tell you it looks incredible on a Radeon.
You had a Voodoo3 before, did you not? Did GLQuake, Quake 2 and Unreal (not UT) look better on the Radeon when you switched over (ie were these games in fact running under 32 bit colour on your Radeon)?
I'm sure there are some out there however. You know I am far from a 3dfx basher, but I tell the truth. The difference is night and day.
Well I don't have any problem if the games will run under 32 bit colour because obviously they will look better than they did on my Voodoo. My concern is that I lose 3dfx's 22 bit post filter and in exhange get ATi's grainy 16 bit image. I've seen the Rage 128 in 16 bit mode and it was horrible.
LMK, and I'll send you some.
Thanks. How about Unreal (original), GLQuake and Quake 2 screenshots (one of each is enough). With Unreal and Quake 2, try to get a bit of the sky into the shot as well as some of the walls. I want to see if there's any banding.
You can link to them in this thread.
BFG, I play Q2, Half-Life and UT all in 32 bit color. I don't know for sure if Unreal uses 32 bit. I dont see an option for it. I can tell you it looks incredible on a Radeon.
You had a Voodoo3 before, did you not? Did GLQuake, Quake 2 and Unreal (not UT) look better on the Radeon when you switched over (ie were these games in fact running under 32 bit colour on your Radeon)?
I'm sure there are some out there however. You know I am far from a 3dfx basher, but I tell the truth. The difference is night and day.
Well I don't have any problem if the games will run under 32 bit colour because obviously they will look better than they did on my Voodoo. My concern is that I lose 3dfx's 22 bit post filter and in exhange get ATi's grainy 16 bit image. I've seen the Rage 128 in 16 bit mode and it was horrible.
LMK, and I'll send you some.
Thanks. How about Unreal (original), GLQuake and Quake 2 screenshots (one of each is enough). With Unreal and Quake 2, try to get a bit of the sky into the shot as well as some of the walls. I want to see if there's any banding.
You can link to them in this thread.
Ouch! Sorry! My browser locked up and looks like it kept posting! We'll try not to do that again!Unreal does not support 32bit source art, however, setting you desktop to 32bit will make Unreal run @ 32bit color/16bit textures, and trust me, there is a huge difference. In 16/16 mode, it's dither city on everything but Voodoo (Glide).
Leon
Leon
BFG, to answer your questions,
You had a Voodoo3 before, did you not?
Yes, I did, and do I used to have a V3 3K AGP in my primary system, and switched to a Radeon 64. I also still have a V3 2k PCI in one of the kids PCs.
Did GLQuake, Quake 2 and Unreal (not UT) look better on the Radeon when you switched over (ie were these games in fact running under 32 bit colour on your Radeon)?
I don't have GLQuake (never have). Q2 and Unreal look...well...UNREAL!! Sorry, I couldn't resist Difference is incredible. I have Q2 set up with every conceivable quality tweak possible, and Unreal in D3D also with every setting to max. Looks fantastic. MUCH better than the V3.
Thanks. How about Unreal (original), GLQuake and Quake 2 screenshots (one of each is enough). With Unreal and Quake 2, try to get a bit of the sky into the shot as well as some of the walls. I want to see if there's any banding.
Like I said before, I don't have GLQuake. I don't have a place to link them to either. My email is in my profile. If you want some shots, let me know what Q2 and Unreal shots you want (map names and specific areas), send me an email and I'll send them to you in a reply.
BTW, speaking of Unreal/UT and the loss of Glide support, I have to say my piece. This was a big concern when I got the Radeon. I've always seen posts on how crappy that @%$%#^# Sweeny's Unreal/T DirectX code is. It sucks. is slow, choppy, blah blah. I was ready for the big D3D disappointment with the Radeon. My God, was I shocked!! UT is a site to see in 32 bit D3D on a Radeon. Not only that, it is smoooooth as butter. It completely blows away my Voodoo 3 in Glide in speed and quality. I don't miss Glide at all. All those guys complaining about UT in D3D must have a different type of card
You had a Voodoo3 before, did you not?
Yes, I did, and do
I used to have a V3 3K AGP in my primary system, and switched to a Radeon 64. I also still have a V3 2k PCI in one of the kids PCs.Did GLQuake, Quake 2 and Unreal (not UT) look better on the Radeon when you switched over (ie were these games in fact running under 32 bit colour on your Radeon)?
I don't have GLQuake (never have). Q2 and Unreal look...well...UNREAL!! Sorry, I couldn't resist
Difference is incredible. I have Q2 set up with every conceivable quality tweak possible, and Unreal in D3D also with every setting to max. Looks fantastic. MUCH better than the V3.Thanks. How about Unreal (original), GLQuake and Quake 2 screenshots (one of each is enough). With Unreal and Quake 2, try to get a bit of the sky into the shot as well as some of the walls. I want to see if there's any banding.
Like I said before, I don't have GLQuake. I don't have a place to link them to either. My email is in my profile. If you want some shots, let me know what Q2 and Unreal shots you want (map names and specific areas), send me an email and I'll send them to you in a reply.
BTW, speaking of Unreal/UT and the loss of Glide support, I have to say my piece. This was a big concern when I got the Radeon. I've always seen posts on how crappy that @%$%#^# Sweeny's Unreal/T DirectX code is. It sucks. is slow, choppy, blah blah. I was ready for the big D3D disappointment with the Radeon. My God, was I shocked!! UT is a site to see in 32 bit D3D on a Radeon. Not only that, it is smoooooth as butter. It completely blows away my Voodoo 3 in Glide in speed and quality. I don't miss Glide at all. All those guys complaining about UT in D3D must have a different type of card
BFG10K
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I have Q2 set up with every conceivable quality tweak possible, and Unreal in D3D also with every setting to max. Looks fantastic. MUCH better than the V3.
It really looks better? Well that's all I need to know.
BTW, speaking of Unreal/UT and the loss of Glide support, I have to say my piece. This was a big concern when I got the Radeon.
I run Unreal in Direct 3D on my Voodoo because the game is too dark under Glide.
My God, was I shocked!! UT is a site to see in 32 bit D3D on a Radeon. Not only that, it is smoooooth as butter.
That's good too hear.
. I don't have a place to link them to either. My email is in my profile. If you want some shots, let me know what Q2 and Unreal shots you want (map names and specific areas), send me an email and I'll send them to you in a reply.
Thanks for the offer, but I've just found a website which has dozens of cards all slapped together in a review. They have screenshots of various games, and I've been carefully looking at the Radeon's image quality vs the V3/V5 and GF2 MX. Needless to say the Radeon looks really good, as does the Voodoo 5.
I think I'll get a Radeon 32 MB SDR. They're cheap enough for me to order them online plus they still have very good performance compared to the DDR versions.
I have Q2 set up with every conceivable quality tweak possible, and Unreal in D3D also with every setting to max. Looks fantastic. MUCH better than the V3.
It really looks better? Well that's all I need to know.
BTW, speaking of Unreal/UT and the loss of Glide support, I have to say my piece. This was a big concern when I got the Radeon.
I run Unreal in Direct 3D on my Voodoo because the game is too dark under Glide.
My God, was I shocked!! UT is a site to see in 32 bit D3D on a Radeon. Not only that, it is smoooooth as butter.
That's good too hear.
. I don't have a place to link them to either. My email is in my profile. If you want some shots, let me know what Q2 and Unreal shots you want (map names and specific areas), send me an email and I'll send them to you in a reply.
Thanks for the offer, but I've just found a website which has dozens of cards all slapped together in a review. They have screenshots of various games, and I've been carefully looking at the Radeon's image quality vs the V3/V5 and GF2 MX. Needless to say the Radeon looks really good, as does the Voodoo 5.
I think I'll get a Radeon 32 MB SDR. They're cheap enough for me to order them online plus they still have very good performance compared to the DDR versions.
BFG, too dark with Glide??? That's very strange. I had a Voodoo2 SLI, and a Voodoo3 and neither were dark at all in Glide. In fact, I didn't even have to move the slider very much to get it bright enough, maybe half way. To be honest, I never even tried Unreal or UT in D3D on a Voodoo. I would imagine its quite a bit slower.
Radeon owner must put this out as one last desperate attempt to bring back their missed glorify DAYS just days when radeon first released. Now, Nvidia becomes bigger and bigger and tougher and tougher and now they just absrobed the 2nd giant 3DFX w/GIGAPIXEL radeon owner is runing for cover hahaha!!! Whew, glad I made a good choice to choose GTS over Radeon DDR.
NVIDIA RULE!
NVIDIA RULE!
<< Radeon owner must put this out as one last desperate attempt to bring back their missed glorify DAYS just days when radeon first released. Now, Nvidia becomes bigger and bigger and tougher and tougher and now they just absrobed the 2nd giant 3DFX w/GIGAPIXEL radeon owner is runing for cover hahaha!!! Whew, glad I made a good choice to choose GTS over Radeon DDR. >>
There there, you'll be okay. Sounds like you've been watching too many Godzilla movies.
BFG i tell you the Radeon has a better image in most games but unreal in glide looks alot better than my radeon in d3d. My 5500 runs it faster and looks better.Ofcourse that is in glide though.As for as glide on yoou 3000 being to dark thats wierd.Glide is usually always brighter.The Radeon in d3d is whats dark on my system.Glide in unreal is the only way to go imo.It was made for it.
Boy Taz you really love your Radeon with all your heart huh? I wont let the door hit me in the ass on the way out either. I read that somwhere.
BW, I highly doubt it. Unless Glide on a 5500 looks completely different than a V3 3000 (I don't see why it would since Glide has the same limitations on both cards). Someone correct me on this if I'm mistaken. I have owned, used and seen both. I still have a Voodoo 3 in another PC. There is no comparison. Radeon with 32 bit D3D looks MUCH better. You may not have had it set up properly. Unreal (not UT) has options that are not apparent. To get Unreal set up to look its best in D3D, you have to use the advanced options menu to turn on detail textures and high detail actors. Some of the options you have to edit in the Unreal.ini file. If anyone has a place to post shots to see Unreal or UT in D3D, LMK, I'll take some shots so you can see for yourself.
<< Boy Taz you really love your Radeon with all your heart huh? I wont let the door hit me in the ass on the way out either. I read that somwhere >>
Very impressive that you remembered.
NVidia can not be blamed for poor agp implementations. NVidia products never have any problems with boards that follow agp specs.
BFG10K: Crappy TC? Thats ID'S fault. What do you people not understand about that? Elite Force uses the Q3 engine but does not compress lightmaps and does not have a problem. NVidia's release drivers are perfectly stable as are many of their beta drivers.
BFG10K: Crappy TC? Thats ID'S fault. What do you people not understand about that? Elite Force uses the Q3 engine but does not compress lightmaps and does not have a problem. NVidia's release drivers are perfectly stable as are many of their beta drivers.
Moving from a V3 to a Radeon I can say visual quality on the Radeon is far superior to the V3 and in my opinion better than the GTS.
Vaborata if you want to bash another card or company the least you could do is write in proper english so others would understand. That way everyone won't think of you as an idiot.
Vaborata if you want to bash another card or company the least you could do is write in proper english so others would understand. That way everyone won't think of you as an idiot.
Doomyguy said:
<< NVidia can not be blamed for poor agp implementations. NVidia products never have any problems with boards that follow agp specs >>
Where the hell were you when AMD first released the Irongate mobos? Never a problem, my ass.
Paul
-former SDR Geforce owner, enlightened V5 5500 owner.
<< NVidia can not be blamed for poor agp implementations. NVidia products never have any problems with boards that follow agp specs >>
Where the hell were you when AMD first released the Irongate mobos? Never a problem, my ass.
Paul
-former SDR Geforce owner, enlightened V5 5500 owner.
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