R9 300 cards listed in new driver - R9 370 is a rebrand

[burninatortech4]

Why wouldn't they use 285>360x - Full tonga > 370 and up? If AMD does a lateral rebrand 260 -360 / 270 - 370 they are signing their own death warrant.

 

[crisium]

At the very least I expect 285->370, Full Tonga -> 370X. People really expect the 7870 to be the 370? I mean, it makes for a fine 270, but you can't keep it again.

 

[shady28]

That info is wrong. Its just user submitted as you can see as well. Best guesses to find unknown devices.

The driver is very clear, its a R505 rebrand:

"%AMD6658.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658&SUBSYS_293C1462
"%AMD6658.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6658
"%AMD665C.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29321462
"%AMD665C.2%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_29341462
"%AMD665C.3%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_293B1462
"%AMD665C.4%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_8770148C
"%AMD665C.5%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260148C
"%AMD665C.6%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C&SUBSYS_9260174B
"%AMD665C.7%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665C
"%AMD665D.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665D
"%AMD665F.1%" = ati2mtag_R505, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_665F&SUBSYS_0B041028&REV_81

AMD6658.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD6658.2 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.2 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.3 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.4 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD665C.5 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.6 = "AMD Radeon R9 260"
AMD665C.7 = "AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series"
AMD665D.1 = "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series"
AMD665F.1 = "AMD Radeon R9 360"

I think you are making some bad assumptions.

Most likely the drivers are setup this way so that old drivers will allow installation of the new cards. In other words, they may be nothing more than place holders until a new driver release.

I would expect those new drivers to be released with the new cards, and at that time to show the new driver levels and updated PCI identifiers. Until then, only AMD really knows anything about this.

 

[JDG1980]

They don't yet have a new manufacturing process. Until they do, there is very little point in refreshing the entire line. A chip with the size and cost of Pitcairn will have roughly the same performance as Pitcairn until they get new fab tech or something else changes. Spinning an entirely new chip would just add a few tens of millions of cost with little advantage, might as well cut the prices a little and fill the lineup with older chips.

The problem with this argument is that Nvidia managed to get a substantial improvement in perf/area and perf/watt with the Maxwell architecture, despite being stuck on the same 28nm process as AMD. And this is why stagnation isn't a reasonable option for AMD. The existing GCN cards were reasonably competitive with Kepler, but they just don't stack up to Maxwell unless they're heavily discounted, probably to the point where AMD can't make money on them.

AMD needs a solid midrange replacement for Pitcairn and Tahiti more than it needs a fire-breathing GM200-killer. Currently, nothing AMD fields in its laptop lineup is remotely competitive, and with laptops becoming a bigger and bigger part of the market, this is a major problem for Team Red.

 

[Shehriazad]

What else is new?


Also...that could possibly imply how many new cards there are going to be.

380, 380X, 390, 390X and 2XWhatever

4 new cards...that doesn't seem all that different from Nvidia does as well.

Nvidia cards -> 50, 60, 70, 80. = new(in most cases) And then Titans for ego enlargement, 10-45 = rebrands

AMDs new cards -> 380, 380X, 390, 390X = new. 2XCards = for ego enlargement, 30-70 = rebrand . (10-25's are hard to find as actual consumer products...sure...you might find one or two somewhere...but generally speaking at least over here in Europe->Germany there is not one reputable vendor that sells anything below a 240)

As for low end rebrands...who even cares for those? Aren't those mainly found in cheap prebuilt PCs? People that need a sub 50$ "upgrade" would generally buy a used GPU with more power instead, no?

 

[JDG1980]

I dont think 290/290X will be rebranded as 380/380X. Specially not with the rebrands we have seen so far. Fielding a 512bit bus and a huge hot chip for that price range is not a good idea. Tonga is really the best candidate, also looking with the forward perspective. There should be a 2048SP Tonga as well we havent seen on the desktop.

This can't happen. Tonga, even if fully enabled and stocked with 4GB of RAM, is not going to be competitive anywhere above the $249 price point. In contrast, the new Fiji chip with HBM is indicated to have a much higher price level, maybe as much as $699-$799 for the fully enabled chip, and probably around $499 for the cut-down version. AMD would be foolish to have such a giant black hole in their lineup.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Tonga could be R9 380 while Hawaii could be R9 380X.
I know from keeping an eye out in the chinese community that R9 380X have been rumored 2816 shaders/290X rebrand many many times (Techpowerup does too). So I think only R9 390/390X will be new unfortunately

It may fall down to the following for the GPUs not listed yet:
R9 380 - 2048 shaders, 256bit - Tonga or 2560 shaders, 512bit - Hawaii (290 rebrand)
R9 380X - 2816 shaders, 512bit - Hawaii (290X rebrand)
R9 390 - 3600 shaders, HBM - Fiji
R9 390X - 4100 shaders, HBM - Fiji

Tobago PRO is a new name for Bonaire apparantly unless its new and AMD put the R9 360 in the Bonaire tree in the drivers by mistake, which could mean that the codename Grenada is a new name for Hawaii

 

[3DVagabond]

Anything is possible. But it doesnt automatically mean there wont be more rebrands. We just have to see how they turn out. Maybe we can see it in the next 15.4 driver. The 380 not being a rebrand is the least likely outcome with Tonga, Tahiti and Hawaii as more likely candidates than a new chip. 390 however is the opposite and should be something new unless 4096SP and HBM is nothing but hot air.

I seriously can't make sense of what you are saying.

Are you saying 380 will be Tonga? Or even Tahiti? Only the 390 being new and even that isn't a sure thing?

 

[AtenRa]

R9 270X = 180W TDP

R9 370 = 110-130W TDP
For reference, plain R9 270 is rated at 150W TDP.

Also, R9 270X needs 2x 6-pin, R9 370 needs only a single 6-pin.

R7 260X is rated at 115W TDP and it only has 128-bit memory.

So get real, R9 370 is not a rebrand

edit: R9 270X doesnt support hardware CrossFire, just one more tip that will tell you that 370 is a new chip.

 

[Cloudfire777]

R9 270X = 180W TDP

R9 370 = 110-130W TDP
For reference, plain R9 270 is rated at 150W TDP.

Also, R9 270X needs 2x 6-pin, R9 370 needs only a single 6-pin.

R7 260X is rated at 115W TDP and it only has 128-bit memory.

So get real, R9 370 is not a rebrand

R9 370 is a R9 270 rebrand, not 270X.

TDP of R9 270 is 150W. TDP of R9 270X is 180W. The difference is 270 running at @925MHz while 270X@1050MHz.
Getting it down to 130W could be because of some manufacturing improvements (remember that the 270 came out in 2013) or maybe even slower clocks than 925MHz.

R9 270 also had 1x6 pin power

 

[AtenRa]

R9 370 is a R9 270 rebrand, not 270X.

TDP of R9 270 is 150W. TDP of R9 270X is 180W. The difference is 270 running at @925MHz while 270X@1050MHz.
Getting it down to 130W could be because of some manufacturing improvements (remember that the 270 came out in 2013) or maybe even slower clocks than 925MHz.

R9 270 also had 1x6 pin power

There is no way they will get down to 110W TDP in R9 370 from 150W TDP of the R9 270 from a manufacturing improvement.

Also, 270 doesnt support Hardware CrossFire

Edit: Anyone believing there will be new Radeon SKUs in 2015 without True Audio, without FreeSync and without Hardware CrossFire you are mistaken.

Also, once you have ready your big chip design (390), it is easy to cut it to smaller Chips. They did the same with Tahiti and Cypress, it is only logical they will do the same with Fiji.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Lets see in April, should be like 2 weeks if early april. Who knows if that XFX? is real or fake. Remember the fake Sapphire chart?

The only thing we got so far is the drivers.

 

[Cloudfire777]

There is no way they will get down to 110W TDP in R9 370 from 150W TDP of the R9 270 from a manufacturing improvement.

Also, 270 doesnt support Hardware CrossFire

Sure it is. I just gave you an example of a 30W drop.
And another additional element that could remove some TDP.
Remember that it says "110W *TO* 130W". Thats because it depends on what model it is (stock, OC model etc)

There are examples of rebrands getting TDP improvements as well

 

[Gikaseixas]

or maybe even slower clocks than 925MHz

Makes no sense, they would not release a 370 with lower clocks than a older 270, making the newer card slower. It can only be improvements, tweaks, etc.

 

[Enigmoid]

R9 270X = 180W TDP

R9 370 = 110-130W TDP
For reference, plain R9 270 is rated at 150W TDP.

Also, R9 270X needs 2x 6-pin, R9 370 needs only a single 6-pin.

R7 260X is rated at 115W TDP and it only has 128-bit memory.

So get real, R9 370 is not a rebrand

edit: R9 270X doesnt support hardware CrossFire, just one more tip that will tell you that 370 is a new chip.

270X never use 180W of power. Not even close.

Looks like 110-130W under gaming load and up to 150W under compute. We all know that nvidia plays hard and fast with the 980/970 tdp so AMD could easily be doing the same.

Looks like a rebrand and possibly better voltage bins/more mature silicon.

 

[AtenRa]

Sure it is. I just gave you an example of a 30W drop.
And another additional element that could remove some TDP.
Remember that it says "110W *TO* 130W". Thats because it depends on what model it is (stock, OC model etc)

There are examples of rebrands getting TDP improvements as well

Even if you can manage to get down from 150W to 110W with a more mature process(which as i have said i highly doubt it), how do you explain the Hardware Cross Fire support on the R9 370 ???

 

[Techhog]

I dont think 290/290X will be rebranded as 380/380X. Specially not with the rebrands we have seen so far. Fielding a 512bit bus and a huge hot chip for that price range is not a good idea. Tonga is really the best candidate, also looking with the forward perspective. There should be a 2048SP Tonga as well we havent seen on the desktop.

That would imply that either there will me a monumental gap between the 380X and 390, or that Fiji will only be a marginal improvement, falling behind GM200 by at least 20%. Do those sound like realistic scenarios to you?

 

[Cloudfire777]

Even if you can manage to get down from 150W to 110W with a more mature process(which as i have said i highly doubt it), how do you explain the Hardware Cross Fire support on the R9 370 ???

I can give you another example (although small):
Radeon 7850: 1024 shaders@860MHz. GDDR5 @4.8GHz: 150W TDP
R7 265: 1024 shaders@925MHz. GDDR5 @5.6GHz: 150W TDP
If both ran at the same clocks, 130W? Include some manufacturing improvements and binning causing the 370 to run at slightly lower voltage than 270. Further small drop. I don`t find it unrealistic

R9 270 do support crossfire?
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1346

 

[ShintaiDK]

That would imply that either there will me a monumental gap between the 380X and 390, or that Fiji will only be a marginal improvement, falling behind GM200 by at least 20%. Do those sound like realistic scenarios to you?

A monumental gap between 370 and 380 and no reuse of Tonga sounds better? If the drivers are right, then something gotta give. Or the 390 isnt what its rumoured to be.

But we have to wait and see what the answer will be.

 

[Techhog]

A monumental gap between 370 and 380 and no reuse of Tonga sounds better?

At least one rumor pointed to the possibility of a 375/X. That could be Tonga. We also can't say with certainty that the 370X is Pitcairn from these drivers. It's even possible that Hawaii could be the 385/X. There are a lot of possibilities, and not nearly enough info.

I'm genuinely curious which possibility you're expecting, though. I assume that it's Fiji being a smaller update competing with the 980, yet costing $700+ per the earlier rumor?

 

[The Alias]

I can give you another example (although small):
Radeon 7850: 1024 shaders@860MHz. GDDR5 @4.8GHz: 150W TDP
R7 265: 1024 shaders@925MHz. GDDR5 @5.6GHz: 150W TDP
If both ran at the same clocks, 130W? Include some manufacturing improvements and binning causing the 370 to run at slightly lower voltage than 270. Further small drop. I don`t find it unrealistic

R9 270 do support crossfire?
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1346

hardware crossfire means xdma crossfire on the charts.

 

[Cloudfire777]

hardware crossfire means xdma crossfire on the charts.

Ah ok. What stops AMD from adding XDMA engine to 270?

 

[jpiniero]

Does Fiji have any other improvements over Tonga other than HBM? It may not make sense for AMD's limited resources to do a die with a 3072 core Tonga (for instance) without HBM for the second level.

I'm genuinely curious which possibility you're expecting, though. I assume that it's Fiji being a smaller update competing with the 980, yet costing $700+ per the earlier rumor?

Well, the die is going to be huge and presumably HBM is super expensive.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Why must it have an XDMA engine? The box says Hardware SLI/Crossfire and simply Yes. For me it simply sounds like SLI/CF support and nothing else.

 

[The Alias]

Ah ok. What stops AMD from adding XDMA engine to 270?

I don't know I'm not a designer. I was just trying to clarify his position for you. Although, I'm of the opinion if that chart is true, then 370 is probably not pitcairn, because dropping clocks another 30 watts will leave it less powerful than the previous 270. which seems off.