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R420 is a 9800 with extra muscle & NV40 is Canceled !!!

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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: jasonja
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: videoclone
Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core!
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Go tell that to the engineers at ATI. "Sorry guys, that's actually not a new GPU you've got there, it's still the same old R3xx. "
I can understand if you don't think R350/R360 are new cores compared to R300 (just refresh parts) but R420 has been in the works for years and is not the same old R3xx.
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It certainly is a new core. You don't double the pipes without some serious work.
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What about a 50% increase in pipes though? 😛
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No, it's 100% increase. You're not paying attention closely.
 
The entire Geforce line has always had the same number of pipes/texture units. Interesting, huh.

Maybe Nvidia could be going the Matrox way.
 
Originally posted by: rbV5
The entire Geforce line has always had the same number of pipes/texture units. Interesting, huh.
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Thats not correct VIAN
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With the exception of the original Geforce, it is correct.
All Nvidia GPUs since NV15 (Geforce2) have been 4x2 architecture.
 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: rbV5
The entire Geforce line has always had the same number of pipes/texture units. Interesting, huh.
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Thats not correct VIAN
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With the exception of the original Geforce, it is correct.
All Nvidia GPUs since NV15 (Geforce2) have been 4x2 architecture.
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So if you don't count some, they all do? I thought NV17 was 2/2 also, what about NV34?

 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: niggles
I heard Nvidia is simply scrapping Video cards altogether and going with Smell-i-vision.
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Make fun all you want, but if Nvidia can't pull this off, I would be surprised to see them competing in the high performance GPU market come 2005.
Don't forget, Jen-Hsun Huang stated only a few short months ago that Nvidia's primary focus as a company would no longer be developing high performance GPUs. A little foreshadowing, perhaps?
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Sorry, didn't mean to offend, I was just trying to make light heart on a report that has yet to be substantiated. I'm not saying it's not true, but simply I would like to hear more fact is all.

As for Where Nvidia is going, they did some fantastic things with the Nvidia2 chipset. What you say makes sense as the Nvidia3 is most certainly inferior to the comprable Via offering. Perhaps there is less cash outlay and more profit on that sort of thing.

 
Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: rbV5
The entire Geforce line has always had the same number of pipes/texture units. Interesting, huh.
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Thats not correct VIAN
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With the exception of the original Geforce, it is correct.
All Nvidia GPUs since NV15 (Geforce2) have been 4x2 architecture.
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So if you don't count some, they all do? I thought NV17 was 2/2 also, what about NV34?
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Depends on who you ask... Personally, I don't count anything other than the main design upon which all the spinoffs are based, i.e. NV10, NV15, NV20, etc.
I could care less what the architecture of a Geforce2 MX is, IT SUCKS!
 
Originally posted by: niggles
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: niggles
I heard Nvidia is simply scrapping Video cards altogether and going with Smell-i-vision.
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Make fun all you want, but if Nvidia can't pull this off, I would be surprised to see them competing in the high performance GPU market come 2005.
Don't forget, Jen-Hsun Huang stated only a few short months ago that Nvidia's primary focus as a company would no longer be developing high performance GPUs. A little foreshadowing, perhaps?
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Sorry, didn't mean to offend, I was just trying to make light heart on a report that has yet to be substantiated. I'm not saying it's not true, but simply I would like to hear more fact is all.

As for Where Nvidia is going, they did some fantastic things with the Nvidia2 chipset. What you say makes sense as the Nvidia3 is most certainly inferior to the comprable Via offering. Perhaps there is less cash outlay and more profit on that sort of thing.
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LOL, I wasn't offended, just pointing out that what you say may be closer to the truth than you think 😉
 
3Dfx has risen again! Next week the Voodoodoo 5800FX Ultra deluxe platnium gold special extended second edition is to be released next week!
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WOW! That is HUGE news! I would LOVE to buy a 3dfx card again! And you all know of my love for the 5800 line, a 3dfx 5800 is the new "mack daddy"!

LOL

The only place I've seen all these rumours is The Inquirer, which is not what I'd call a "believable source" of anything.
 
Originally posted by: Rollo


The only place I've seen all these rumours is The Inquirer, which is not what I'd call a "believable source" of anything.
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Think about it though... First we heard 8 pipes, then 12, then 16... Doesn't the whole "quad" theory make sense in light of these suppositions? My bet is that ATI has designed a core which is scalable from 8 pipes to 16, by using "quads". That's just my guess though...
 
Nope. THe rumors don't make sense to me.
Also, we heard the nV30 was 8X1, when it's really what most people would call 4X2. If nVidia is saying the "nV40" is 16 X1, it may well be what most people would call 8X2.
Either way, if it offers comparable performance to the R420, including PS2, I would buy one if it's priced in the same range just because I've mainly been using ATI for the last 16 mos. and could use a change for boredom's sake. (even above the 5800 that should be arriving this week)
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Nope. THe rumors don't make sense to me.
Also, we heard the nV30 was 8X1, when it's really what most people would call 4X2. If nVidia is saying the "nV40" is 16 X1, it may well be what most people would call 8X2.
Either way, if it offers comparable performance to the R420, including PS2, I would buy one if it's priced in the same range just because I've mainly been using ATI for the last 16 mos. and could use a change for boredom's sake. (even above the 5800 that should be arriving this week)
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I guess only time will tell, eh Rollo? We'll know soon enough, however.
I'm thinking 8-pipe R420 for R420SE, 12 pipes for R420/R420Pro, and 16 pipes for R420XT
Just wishful thinking on my part though 🙂
 
Thats not correct VIAN
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Sorry, minor technicality.

The entire Geforce flagship line was 4x2 with the exception of the Geforce 256 which was 4x1.

Depends on who you ask... Personally, I don't count anything other than the main design upon which all the spinoffs are based, i.e. NV10, NV15, NV20, etc.
I could care less what the architecture of a Geforce2 MX is, IT SUCKS!
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Me too, I couldn't care less about those other cards.

All I know is NV10, NV15, NV20, NV30.
 
Originally posted by: VIAN

Depends on who you ask... Personally, I don't count anything other than the main design upon which all the spinoffs are based, i.e. NV10, NV15, NV20, etc.
I could care less what the architecture of a Geforce2 MX is, IT SUCKS!
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Me too, I couldn't care less about those other cards.

All I know is NV10, NV15, NV20, NV30.
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😀:beer: Seriously though, who the heck cares about the architecture of mainstream/low-end cards unless you're actually forced into the position where you have to use one?
 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: VIAN

Depends on who you ask... Personally, I don't count anything other than the main design upon which all the spinoffs are based, i.e. NV10, NV15, NV20, etc.
I could care less what the architecture of a Geforce2 MX is, IT SUCKS!
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Me too, I couldn't care less about those other cards.

All I know is NV10, NV15, NV20, NV30.
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😀:beer: Seriously though, who the heck cares about the architecture of mainstream/low-end cards unless you're actually forced into the position where you have to use one?
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Game developers probably, since most of the users playing their games will be using them.

 
Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: VIAN

Depends on who you ask... Personally, I don't count anything other than the main design upon which all the spinoffs are based, i.e. NV10, NV15, NV20, etc.
I could care less what the architecture of a Geforce2 MX is, IT SUCKS!
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Me too, I couldn't care less about those other cards.

All I know is NV10, NV15, NV20, NV30.
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😀:beer: Seriously though, who the heck cares about the architecture of mainstream/low-end cards unless you're actually forced into the position where you have to use one?
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Game developers probably, since most of the users playing their games will be using them.
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This is true, but I haven't done any game programming in a few years so I generally don't think about things from that perspective.
However, when considering a game programmer's perspective, one must also remember that all the fancy effects they want to do can generally only be done on high-end hardware, so they have to code for that as well.
 
Originally posted by: videoclone
Info was found from various websites over time .. ( Credibility isn?t very strong but good enough and it sounds believable enough also.
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what various places? the only place i've seen it is at inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14749). they get some right, some wrong, and often update their "rumors", so i'm not sure how "true" this latest rumor is....
 
we could always just wait untill they get released maybe then we'll see whos been tellin porkies, and see which company is gonna open up a can of whoop a$$!!
 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Nope. THe rumors don't make sense to me.
Also, we heard the nV30 was 8X1, when it's really what most people would call 4X2. If nVidia is saying the "nV40" is 16 X1, it may well be what most people would call 8X2.
Either way, if it offers comparable performance to the R420, including PS2, I would buy one if it's priced in the same range just because I've mainly been using ATI for the last 16 mos. and could use a change for boredom's sake. (even above the 5800 that should be arriving this week)
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Why not just ditch both of them and grab some XGI
 
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: videoclone
Info was found from various websites over time .. ( Credibility isn?t very strong but good enough and it sounds believable enough also.
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what various places? the only place i've seen it is at inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14749). they get some right, some wrong, and often update their "rumors", so i'm not sure how "true" this latest rumor is....
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German websites 🙂
 
i hadn't been exposed to the inquirer fully, so i actually believed some of the stuff they had written. then i realized that they are just writing garbage.
 
Why not just ditch both of them and grab some XGI
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I just saw a review somewhere where the XGI actually did OK with their newer drivers. It would be nice if they could get it together and compete at the high end, or even mid range with good drivers.

 
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