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R420 is a 9800 with extra muscle & NV40 is Canceled !!!

videoclone

videoclone

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Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core ! just making it 12 pipelines and giving it 6 vertex shaders ....not a bad thing the 9800 is a good card.
Its Almost like ATI are sticking with the " If it isn?t broke don?t fix it" motto. just adding extra muscle and tuning up the AA and FSAA ..... this also means no PS3.0 and VS 3.0

As for the Nvidia frunt .... NV40 has been canceled before it even got released and NV45 will be the new NV40 at
16 Pipes 8 Vertex shaders and a totally new AA and FSAA algorithm its looking promising. Cant wait for those ATI R420 VS Nvidia NV40 Reviews, to come around. 😉:beer:

NV40 was 8x2 and Nvidia Canned it because they didn?t think it would beat R420 with its 12x1 I think that was a good move.
 
Yep it looks as though once again ATi is playing it safe while Nvidia continues to gamble. This cost Nvidia greatly in the last round of things, so we'll have to wait and see how things work out this time.

It looks to me as though they've bitten off more than they can chew...the "reported" feature list of NV40/45 is staggaring:

-16 pipes
-MPEG4 encode/decode (!)
-8 vertex shaders

If these specs are correct, if the card is released within the next month or two, and if the card performs well (faster than R420) under real-world tests, THEN I will probably buy one.

That's alot of IFs tho.
 
Info was found from various websites over time .. ( Credibility isn?t very strong but good enough and it sounds believable enough also.
 
Originally posted by: videoclone
Info was found from various websites over time .. ( Credibility isn?t very strong but good enough and it sounds believable enough also.
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I have been following the news on this front recently as well. Don't you find it troubling that the Inquirer has posted 2 completely different specs for the R420 in the past week? Anand broke the first news that it would be an 8-pipe card, then the Inquirer "confirmed" that report, then just the other day they started up with the 12-pipe bit. The 12-pipe thing doesn't make much sense to me; wouldn't it be logical just to go straight to 16 pipes?
 
Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core ! just making it 12 pipelines and giving it 6 vertex shaders ....not a bad thing the 9800 is a good card.
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"If" its 12 pipes, 6 vertex shader engines on a 130 nm process, how is it not a new core?(unless you consider it some kind of rv360 that merged with a couple neighboring cores) Certainly doesn't sound like r3xx to me.
 
Well they are taking the 9800 feature set and adding 4 extra pipes and 2 extra vertex shaders also improving AA & FSAA probably adding SMARTSHADER? 3.0 and SMOOTHVISION? 3.0 i wouldnt say this a new core just an extention to the old one.

Nvidia have Scraped The Geforce FX design and have started from scratch ... making NV40/45 a new core !
 
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: videoclone
Info was found from various websites over time .. ( Credibility isn?t very strong but good enough and it sounds believable enough also.
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I have been following the news on this front recently as well. Don't you find it troubling that the Inquirer has posted 2 completely different specs for the R420 in the past week? Anand broke the first news that it would be an 8-pipe card, then the Inquirer "confirmed" that report, then just the other day they started up with the 12-pipe bit. The 12-pipe thing doesn't make much sense to me; wouldn't it be logical just to go straight to 16 pipes?
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Nope, better yields keep the cost down.
 
I have been reading totally unreliable sources that say the R420 will have 16 pipelines, but only the 12 best will be enabled. Than after a couple of months when Nvidia rushes the rejigged NV40 to market - Ati will have binned enough fully functional cores to release a 16 pipeline version. Shortly after will come the mods - which will create a huge demand for the 12 pipeline R420. Seems like some complicated Canadian plot .....
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I like many have totally been sucked in by the hype and am almost ready to buy whichever is best. 😀
 
I wanna make my own speculation site. Then I can get people hyped up about certain products, and disappoint people at the same time 🙂
 
Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: videoclone
Info was found from various websites over time .. ( Credibility isn?t very strong but good enough and it sounds believable enough also.
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Don't you find it troubling that the Inquirer has posted 2 completely different specs for the R420 in the past week?
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no, its the inquirer. i find it more troubling that you believe what they write.
 
bah, i wish they'd both just release the cards so this speculation nonsense will end. now hurry up so i can throw my money at u 😀 i want a new video card!
 
Have you guys heard the news! I've found this over various websites over time! The crediablity isn't that strong but it sounds beilevable! 3Dfx has risen again! Next week the Voodoodoo 5800FX Ultra deluxe platnium gold special extended second edition is to be released next week!

Specs
-1/2 Mhz - Blazing Fast speed
256 colors - Amazing in depth colors
1MB of Ram - A huge amount of video memory


I can't wait for this card guys! Screw the R420 and the NV40!
 
Nvidia has never doubled the pipelines on a fall refresh before.

IMO if the nV40 is 16 pipes it was designed like that from the beginning

 
Originally posted by: videoclone
Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core!
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Go tell that to the engineers at ATI. "Sorry guys, that's actually not a new GPU you've got there, it's still the same old R3xx. "
I can understand if you don't think R350/R360 are new cores compared to R300 (just refresh parts) but R420 has been in the works for years and is not the same old R3xx.
 
Originally posted by: niggles
I heard Nvidia is simply scrapping Video cards altogether and going with Smell-i-vision.
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Make fun all you want, but if Nvidia can't pull this off, I would be surprised to see them competing in the high performance GPU market come 2005.
Don't forget, Jen-Hsun Huang stated only a few short months ago that Nvidia's primary focus as a company would no longer be developing high performance GPUs. A little foreshadowing, perhaps?
 
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: videoclone
Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core!
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x 420
Go tell that to the engineers at ATI. "Sorry guys, that's actually not a new GPU you've got there, it's still the same old R3xx. "
I can understand if you don't think R350/R360 are new cores compared to R300 (just refresh parts) but R420 has been in the works for years and is not the same old R3xx.
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It certainly is a new core. You don't double the pipes without some serious work.
 
Originally posted by: jasonja
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: videoclone
Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core!
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rolleye.gif
x 420
Go tell that to the engineers at ATI. "Sorry guys, that's actually not a new GPU you've got there, it's still the same old R3xx. "
I can understand if you don't think R350/R360 are new cores compared to R300 (just refresh parts) but R420 has been in the works for years and is not the same old R3xx.
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It certainly is a new core. You don't double the pipes without some serious work.
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What about a 50% increase in pipes though? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: jasonja
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: videoclone
Looks like ATI are not making the R420 a new core!
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rolleye.gif
x 420
Go tell that to the engineers at ATI. "Sorry guys, that's actually not a new GPU you've got there, it's still the same old R3xx. "
I can understand if you don't think R350/R360 are new cores compared to R300 (just refresh parts) but R420 has been in the works for years and is not the same old R3xx.
Click to expand...


It certainly is a new core. You don't double the pipes without some serious work.
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What about a 50% increase in pipes though? 😛
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What about it? NV25 was a 4x2 part, whereas NV30/35 are 4x2/8x0
Would you say NV30/35 is based on NV25 because it has the same number of pipelines?
Comeon people, the number of pipelines does not determine if a GPU is based off of a previous one. This is a common n00b mistake.
 
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