R.I.P. Carrie Fisher and now Debbie Reynolds :(

[Sonikku]

So depressing. I'm still taken aback by her sudden death and she's already ashes.

 

[KMFJD]

Yep just heard that. 2016 continues to be an asshole.

2016 is/was no different than any other year, when did people become so melodramatic

Anyways rip

 

[zinfamous]

2016 is/was no different than any other year, when did people become so melodramatic

Anyways rip

It was the only year so far on record that David Bowie, Prince, Glen Fry, Leonard Cohen, Gene Wilder, Princess Leia, and shit load of other "icons" died. Also, the astonishing and unexpected rise of fascism in Democratic nations across the world.

People be depressed.

 

[KeithTalent]

I thought Glen Fry was a giant asshole; or maybe that was Don Henley?

KT

 

[Drako]

I thought Glen Fry was a giant asshole; or maybe that was Don Henley?

KT

I think they both are/were. Maybe Glen was a bigger asshole though :hmm:

 

[KMFJD]

It was the only year so far on record that David Bowie, Prince, Glen Fry, Leonard Cohen, Gene Wilder, Princess Leia, and shit load of other "icons" died. Also, the astonishing and unexpected rise of fascism in Democratic nations across the world.

People be depressed.

And they will get over it like we all do when we lose someone important, but this 2016 is the worst year ever is fucking ludicrous compared to some of the other shit that's happened in the past..losing people that mean something to you and society sucks but have some perspective. Someone earlier hit the nail on the head about the internet echo chamber thing imo....


May both Ms Fisher's and all othrs that died this year finally find peace.

 

[lupi]

Looks like she has a couple key scenes in 8 and a bigger arc in 9 was planned.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...how-star-wars-will-handle-leias-future-960849

 

[lupi]

Would love to see the full guest list, would have to be amazing just by the couple names released.

http://people.com/movies/carrie-fisher-memorial/

 

[lupi]

 

[SKORPI0]

Looks like she has a couple key scenes in 8 and a bigger arc in 9 was planned.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...how-star-wars-will-handle-leias-future-960849

But she won't be, since the script wasn't written yet when she died.
Carrie Fisher Won’t Appear in ‘Star Wars: Episode IX’

 

[Thebobo]

Very well done. Thanks for posting it.

 

[SKORPI0]

Carrie Fisher Had Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstasy in Her System, Autopsy Shows

Carrie Fisher had cocaine, methadone, heroin and ecstasy in her system when she died in December, according to an autopsy report released Monday.

The coroner’s report listed sleep apnea as the primary cause of death, with drug intake as a contributing factor. The report stated that Fisher’s family objected to a full autopsy, and coroner’s investigators had access to limited toxicology specimens. The conclusions were based on toxicology results and an external examination of Fisher’s body.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The report stated that Fisher’s family objected to a full autopsy...

The family knew what the results would be.

 

[paperfist]

Carrie Fisher Had Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstasy in Her System, Autopsy Shows

Death from sleep apnea ?!?! Don't you have to be sleeping for that to happen?

 

[zinfamous]

Death from sleep apnea ?!?! Don't you have to be sleeping for that to happen?

well, as far as I know, you aren't really "sleeping" with sleep apnea, so....

I think heavy drug use or alcohol use can certainly simulate a non-sleep sleep apnea state, so maybe there is that. I wonder if it has or is becoming a new definition/catch-all for various reasons of having restless sleep. dunno. It was the polite diagnosis and, obviously, the media jumped on the details because that is their job. :\

 

[paperfist]

well, as far as I know, you aren't really "sleeping" with sleep apnea, so....

I think heavy drug use or alcohol use can certainly simulate a non-sleep sleep apnea state, so maybe there is that. I wonder if it has or is becoming a new definition/catch-all for various reasons of having restless sleep. dunno. It was the polite diagnosis and, obviously, the media jumped on the details because that is their job. :\

Hmm I always thought you could sleep with it, but you sort of woke up without realizing it from time to time. I guess like you're saying add that in with everything else and the body can only take so much activity before the lack of good sleep gets you. Haven't there been gamers who died from sitting too long playing without sleep?

 

[Iron Woode]

Hmm I always thought you could sleep with it, but you sort of woke up without realizing it from time to time. I guess like you're saying add that in with everything else and the body can only take so much activity before the lack of good sleep gets you. Haven't there been gamers who died from sitting too long playing without sleep?

it seems like you don't know what sleep apnea actually is.

I have sleep apnea. You stop breathing for various amounts of time while sleeping. In normal people the brain automatically restarts breathing. In those that have sleep apnea, the restart is delayed or in some cases never happens and death occurs. The delayed restart causes random wake-ups to get things going again. Your sleep is interrupted and you have lack of decent sleep.

 

[Charmonium]

Heroin suppresses breathing. That's how most OD's occur. The person just stops breathing. People think that if they take stimulants with an opiate, that they counter act one another. And on a conscious level that might be true. But iirc opiates interfere with your autonomic functions like breathing.

Combine that with sleep apnea and it's not too hard to see how someone could die. But apnea I don't think the primary cause. It's just lowering the threshold for an OD.

BTW if you want to check if you have sleep apnea, you can get a pulse oximeter that clips to your finger for about $20. When you look at the readings the next day, if you see your SpO2 (oxygen) levels rise and fall, rise and fall at various times in the night, then that's a very good indication that you have it.

You can look up the symptoms of apnea but for the most part they're things people just blow off as sucky but normal.

 

[mcveigh]

Sleep tech here...
Thought I'd chime in. You don't really die from the apnea directly. You die from the stroke, the heart attack, etc, that the apnea causes. We know apnea put a tremendous amount of stress on the heart. Combine that with her years of drug use, which isn't good for your heart, whatever drugs, whether prescribed or not she was currently using, and we get a lethal combination.

If you snore, or think you do please bring up the possibility of apnea with your doctor.

 

[paperfist]

it seems like you don't know what sleep apnea actually is.

I have sleep apnea. You stop breathing for various amounts of time while sleeping. In normal people the brain automatically restarts breathing. In those that have sleep apnea, the restart is delayed or in some cases never happens and death occurs. The delayed restart causes random wake-ups to get things going again. Your sleep is interrupted and you have lack of decent sleep.

You're right. I did know you stopped breathing from time to time during sleep, but I thought you awoke when it got severe. I didn't know you could totally stop breathing and die.

Sleep tech here...
Thought I'd chime in. You don't really die from the apnea directly. You die from the stroke, the heart attack, etc, that the apnea causes. We know apnea put a tremendous amount of stress on the heart. Combine that with her years of drug use, which isn't good for your heart, whatever drugs, whether prescribed or not she was currently using, and we get a lethal combination.

If you snore, or think you do please bring up the possibility of apnea with your doctor.

That's what I thought

For zillions of years people have snored, does it always mean apnea?

And do blue lights really help you sleep better?

 

[mcveigh]

Snoring doesn't always mean apnea, but it's worth checking out. When you hear snoring, it's because some tissue is getting in the way of the airflow and making the noise. So with snoring we know there is already some airway resistance.
It's a red flag in sleep medicine to investigate further.

Blue lights are bad. Blue light appears brighter to the eye than other colors, even though it may technically be the same brightness as other colors. Some new smart phone have a built in bluelight filter for the evenings. (My kindle fire does)
there are apps like f.lux which run on the desktop computers to switch to warmer colors at night to hopefully not stimulate the eyes.

 

[paperfist]

Snoring doesn't always mean apnea, but it's worth checking out. When you hear snoring, it's because some tissue is getting in the way of the airflow and making the noise. So with snoring we know there is already some airway resistance.
It's a red flag in sleep medicine to investigate further.

Blue lights are bad. Blue light appears brighter to the eye than other colors, even though it may technically be the same brightness as other colors. Some new smart phone have a built in bluelight filter for the evenings. (My kindle fire does)
there are apps like f.lux which run on the desktop computers to switch to warmer colors at night to hopefully not stimulate the eyes.

Cool, thanks for the info!

So this is probably a 1 in 2 effected by this, but what causes tossing and turning during sleep?