R.I.P brave little x800 pro

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

You can rationalize your seedy character all you like Bugs, but I (and many others) will never respect your shiftless thieving ways.

Who the fvck cares? The problem with you is, you think your opinion matters. The fact is, it doesn't. Now pretty please, with sugar on it, STFU.

It's pointless to argue w/ Rollo. He will never give in and needs to get in the last word. It's best you walk away unless you suffer from that disorder too.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

actually that's a terrible analogy.. cause that's exactly what happens.. that's why you are read the "as is, no warranty" disclaimer and asked to sign it. it's a federal disclosure statement, and it supercedes anything that may or may not have been said verbally.

Well stated. Here in Florida though we have a lemon law that will supercede even the bullsh*t contract I believe, but don't quote me on that because I'm no legal brain trust

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

You can rationalize your seedy character all you like Bugs, but I (and many others) will never respect your shiftless thieving ways.

Who the fvck cares? The problem with you is, you think your opinion matters. The fact is, it doesn't. Now pretty please, with sugar on it, STFU.

LOL- must be tough for you to see others think your ways are pretty scummy too, eh Jack?

Oooo, that is so honorable. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to return some busted up junk to BestBuy.

The words of a child who knows no better because he hasn't been taught better, or of a man we should all feel sorry for.
As you've used this forum to personally attack me over a point as silly as "it's my right to steal if I want to" I hope you keep this attitude for life and get all that is coming to you for your immature and self centered ways.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: niall

- I hope you're on an autobahn or a raceway, the only two places I know where that speed is legal

I don't follow the speed limit. A good driver isnt someone who obeys the law, but someone who is able to respond effictively in situations when another makes a mistake. In essence, even if you follow the rules, you are not protected on the road, or anywhere else in life. Thus the speed limit means nothing to me. I wish they removed speed limits from all roads forever because they just slow people down. Maybe you should take driving lessons and also realize that there are less deaths related to speeding in Germany and other countries where people drive faster. Clearly, it is not speed that kills people, but people who cant drive at high speeds or any speed for that matter because they suck. So just because they don't want to take the time to learn to drive better and improve their ability, others must suffer and crawl 6 hours just to get from Montreal to Toronto because of the stupid speed limit. So don't even get me started....at the very least you could design a 2/3 lane highway where the farthest right "pussy" lane has 100km/h speed limit, and everyone else can go whatever speed they desire.

All of you guys are way too honourable and it seems you've lived in a fairy tale life. Life is tough and you get used to it. Everyone follows their own rules. People suffer, people die, life goes on. People incur costs, others benefit from them. The fact of the matter is, no human being has ever done anything that does not bring him/her future emotional or monetary or other benefit in the long run. Some rules are human nature - like not to kill. Other things are less clearcut. If you can get away with something that is not terrible like returning a product that you damaged for a new one, more power to you. There are things way more important to argue then return of a stupid videocard that you ruined by overclocking.

People keep driving to work, using up the earth's resources without thinking of the consequences and same people here try to teach me manners and how to be honourable and respectful. Please, don't kid yourselves. You are just like everyone else out there, selfish and egotistic (but in different ways => warranty vs. resource abuse vs. "bigger is better" theory etc.). And every person that tells you otherwise is lying to your face. The fact of the matter is, on this earth everyone is for himself. Besides, just because I told you that is what I would do, and I would like to do, it doesnt mean I do it. I have conscience and maybe even if i wanted to return the product that I damaged, it doesn't mean I actually do it because I feel guilty. But all of you simply assumed that I do and that I am a "bad" and "dishonourable" person. The fact of the matter is this is Internet, as such you cannot believe everything that people say, everything must be taken with a grain of salt. With this in mind, some of you who believe in honour and what you have said, could go into a store and do exactly what I described. The whole world revolves around corruption and abuse of power and rules ... so obviously there are a lot of people who have the same thoughts as I do, but not everyone "executes" these thoughts...

Now let's move on to better things besides warranty troubles .... this isn't ethics class.

Amazing..

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
WHen I buy a video card I have 30 days to return it if anything goes wrong.ANYTHING. After that the warranty kicks in and that is limited in scope. Best to find your max overclock during the 30 days since it is easier to return if defective. If the video card burns out because it is overclocked it is defective. Non defective parts may crash or reboot or show artifacts but if it actually becomes permanently damaged then it is a defective part . Thus I am only returning a defective part as I should. How ya like that rollo?

Just, Wow... You are lost dude. Please don't have any children.

 

[ShinX]

hey , everyone STFU and have a :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[Jeff7181]

So anyway... more details about the dead card please? I'm considering buying one and am more interested in the conditions the card failed under rather than this endless debate about morality and ethics.

Was there any hint of physical damage? Any smokey smell or anything like that? Any capacitors swelling? Did you ever check the temperature of the card? Did you improperly handle the card? (I've watched people caress their computer hardware, admiring the traces and chips on it... a few times I thought they'd probably take it to bed with them later that night)

 

[ShinX]

ewwwwwww.......

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
So anyway... more details about the dead card please? I'm considering buying one and am more interested in the conditions the card failed under rather than this endless debate about morality and ethics.

Was there any hint of physical damage? Any smokey smell or anything like that? Any capacitors swelling? Did you ever check the temperature of the card? Did you improperly handle the card? (I've watched people caress their computer hardware, admiring the traces and chips on it... a few times I thought they'd probably take it to bed with them later that night)

I would think you're safe enough buying one Jeff, this one was probably just defective. ATI makes quality products, and I doubt this card would disappoint anyone.

For me the only real question would be:"I wonder what the final release and drivers will bring for the 6800GT at the same price point"?

 

[Zebo]

nm

 

[essasin]

I am not gonna get in an argument with anyone but is there a way to test the card to see if it was damaged by an overclock rather than being just a defective card?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

You can't damage your card by overclocking it. If it isn't defective it will crash then revert to normal speeds and then you'll know it was too high. If it becomes permanently damaged it is defective, every time.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You can't damage your card by overclocking it. If it isn't defective it will crash then revert to normal speeds and then you'll know it was too high. If it becomes permanently damaged it is defective, every time.

LOL, thus speaks the electrical engineer, Bugs Bunny. :roll:

Even if you didn't know this, it is common sense?

Noticeably, the thermal output increases as the clock rate increases. For example, the AMD Athlon 1200 outputs a maximum of 66 watts of heat. To ensure the safety of the processor, this heat has to be dissipated quickly and continuously. Only a powerful cooler can handle such a task. Otherwise, electro-migration occurs in the CPU core, which can quickly destroy the processor.

This is the problem with boards like this:
You get little kids/obtuse adults who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about giving out advice that could lead others to damage their equipment.

 

[Zebo]

Some fun bugs
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=279469

 

[rbV5]

This is the problem with boards like this:
You get little kids/obtuse adults who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about giving out advice that could lead others to damage their equipment.

Its an "enthusiast" board, did you notice the overclocking forum Rollo? The information on any board is YMMV...get it? For crying out loud does anyone want to actually discuss "Video" in the video forum anymore?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

This is the problem with boards like this:
You get little kids/obtuse adults who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about giving out advice that could lead others to damage their equipment.

Its an "enthusiast" board, did you notice the overclocking forum Rollo? The information on any board is YMMV...get it? For crying out loud does anyone want to actually discuss "Video" in the video forum anymore?

He stated that a non-defective GPU is impossible to damage by OCing rbV5. If you don't think there's a problem with leaving that up as fact, I can only assume you're also a little kid or an obtuse adult.

I don't care about OCing one way or the other as long as the person doing it assumes the responsibility for their actions and doesn't try to defraud the company who made the card or it's vendor if they destroy the card.

As I've said that time and time again, let me spell it out for you:
I= me, Rollo
don't = do not
care= consider good or bad
about= in reference to a subject
OCing = overclocking, running parts above spec
if = conditional
user= owner of the card
doesn't = does not, opposite of taking action
defraud= mislead, lie about
manufacturer= company who made the card
or = alternatively
vendor= merchant who sold the card

Can you understand this rbV5? Can I make it plainer for you?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You can't damage your card by overclocking it. If it isn't defective it will crash then revert to normal speeds and then you'll know it was too high. If it becomes permanently damaged it is defective, every time.

LOL, thus speaks the electrical engineer, Bugs Bunny. :roll:

Even if you didn't know this, it is common sense?

Noticeably, the thermal output increases as the clock rate increases. For example, the AMD Athlon 1200 outputs a maximum of 66 watts of heat. To ensure the safety of the processor, this heat has to be dissipated quickly and continuously. Only a powerful cooler can handle such a task. Otherwise, electro-migration occurs in the CPU core, which can quickly destroy the processor.

This is the problem with boards like this:
You get little kids/obtuse adults who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about giving out advice that could lead others to damage their equipment.

For someone so knowledgable about honor, intregity, decenty which I happen to agree with, your respect for other members here stands in stark contrast to what you preach which I find a bit odd.

Maybe you're just fustrated talking to the unimformed but it's still no excuse for talking down to or mock him is it? Your message would be much more effective to convince than aleinate, IMO.

 

[rbV5]

He stated that a non-defective GPU is impossible to damage by OCing rbV5. If you don't think there's a problem with leaving that up as fact, I can only assume you're also a little kid or an obtuse adult.

Leaving it up as fact:roll: hello...intraweb forum here. Personally, your little moral superiority tirades and thread hijaking are childishly tiresome and only degenerate the Video forum farther than its already slid. Its my fault though for getting drug into another one of your whimsical rides through idiocracy LOL

 

[nRollo]

Perhaps Zebo. I'd given up by that point.
My first two responses to Bugs were not hostile:

It wouldn't matter to me if they ordered me to do it.

I only want what I've paid for, and if I've broken something by my error or misuse, I don't want warranty service. Lots of people used to be this way, not so many anymore.

and

Bugs your integrity is worth more than a cheap trinket like an X800 Pro.

When his posts degenerated to nonsense like :

If the video card burns out because it is overclocked it is defective. Non defective parts may crash or reboot or show artifacts but if it actually becomes permanently damaged then it is a defective part . Thus I am only returning a defective part as I should. How ya like that rollo?

and

You can't damage your card by overclocking it. If it isn't defective it will crash then revert to normal speeds and then you'll know it was too high. If it becomes permanently damaged it is defective, every time.

that could mislead someone into inadvertently damaging their hardware, I drew the line and used sarcasm to make my point.
It's not like he cares, or will learn anything from me. He's already proclaimed he thinks it's perfectly fine to run parts at whatever speed he thinks they should run at, then return them after he's broken them.
If you think that is worthy of polite response, we differ on that point.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5

He stated that a non-defective GPU is impossible to damage by OCing rbV5. If you don't think there's a problem with leaving that up as fact, I can only assume you're also a little kid or an obtuse adult.

Leaving it up as fact:roll: hello...intraweb forum here. Personally, your little moral superiority tirades and thread hijaking are childishly tiresome and only degenerate the Video forum farther than its already slid. Its my fault though for getting drug into another one of your whimsical rides through idiocracy LOL

Proud member Catalyst beta Testers

And a member of the ATI focus group disapproves of me yet again. Go figure.

Sorry rbV5, but you should agree with my post. It may save ATI some money too?

 

[Zebo]

I see your POV ...I posted then deleted above approx this and almost stopped posting to this thread because of the way things were going:

The cost of the return to Best buy or ATI, is absorbed and passed on to other consumers, not BB or ATI. This additional cost is amortized over all cards/stores and is passed on to us down to the individual. What gives you the right to the friuts of our labor? What gives you the right to steal from us?

Bit more civil

 

[413xram]

If you are worried about heating during overclocking, put a TEC on the chip. I have done it and it works. Except it takes about 4 pci slots. LOL!

 

[BugsBunny1078]

I wouldn't worry about it that's what the warranty is for.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
I wouldn't worry about it that's what the warranty is for.

Yeah, right. Thats not what the warranty is for. Why do you think the current, and yet to be fully released new gen cards are so damn much money? The costs of warrantied items always transfer back to us. (The consumer). There is no way around it. The more "you" play, the more we all pay.

Does anyone remember when the 8500 and GF3's came out? What were their introductory prices? Around 300 ish? Now the NV3x cards and R3xx cards have slinked up to 400 dollars when introduced and the newest NV40 and X800XT are damn near 500 bucks. Should we be happy with you for killing cards in your quest for the highest o/c possible and then returning for a new one only to do it again?
Who do you think pays for your new card? All of us do. The manufacturers get their cash back to replace the cost of the card you killed through exhorbitant pricing on new products. They cant lose. Only we can lose.

 

[rbV5]

And a member of the ATI focus group disapproves of me yet again. Go figure.

Sorry rbV5, but you should agree with my post. It may save ATI some money too?
.

Focus Group? I'm a volunteer that does some Beta testing for ATI, and I enjoy it. I'd do the same for NV if I had the opportunity. Don't play the fanboi card with me Rollo, I do agree with alot of what you say "some" times, but why not start a topical thread for discussion rather than hijack this thread and turn it into another one of your ridiculous soap box pulpits? You pulled the "thief card" by what the 5th post in the thread? Nice....