R.I.P brave little x800 pro

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078

Originally posted by: INGlewood78
Best Buy is full of crap...they will tell you that just so you can buy the service plan.

It doesn't matter to me if the salesmen are lying. I will hold them to it.
If the salesmen tell me they replace no matter what then thats what Best Buy is responsible for. They have to back up their salesmens word legally.

Bugs your integrity is worth more than a cheap trinket like an X800 Pro.

Honor, integrity, personal accountability, these are alien concepts to most people now-a-days From the highest levels of Goverment and Industry the example to follow is a poor one. We can only attempt to teach our own children through our example that such things do exist and can be tangibly manifested to the betterment of self and society.

 

[nRollo]

For the most part I think you're right DaPunisher.

There's still hope though, like you say people like us and the others in this thread who said I'm right about the ethics of this will pass this on to our kids.

(who in turn will look at these guys and their kids like "WTF rock did you slither out from under?! I pay my own way in life and steal from no one.")

BTW- still lovin' the 5800U! In the absence of Doom 3 and HL2, I'm holding on to it like grim death before Lil Rollo gets it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Rollo
For the most part I think you're right DaPunisher.

There's still hope though, like you say people like us and the others in this thread who said I'm right about the ethics of this will pass this on to our kids.

(who in turn will look at these guys and their kids like "WTF rock did you slither out from under?! I pay my own way in life and steal from no one.")

BTW- still lovin' the 5800U! In the absence of Doom 3 and HL2, I'm holding on to it like grim death before Lil Rollo gets it.

Yes sir, outside of FarCry the 5800U was great for everything I played given my 15"LCD's 10x7 res.

BTW, I just mentioned this in another thread, but I would be very interested in seeing a correlation between how many people screaming to the heavens about nV being a lying, cheating, unethical, immoral devil are the ones who RMA their hardware after voiding the warranty. The hypocracy never ends my friend

 

[BugsBunny1078]

You don't seem to get it so I will lay it out for you.
If the BestBuy representative tells me that if I buy their service plan they will replace the part no matter what, even if I overclocked it and then I buy the plan, I am entitled to have it replaced even If my overclocking it burnt it out.
There is no integrity is allowing Best Buy to shirk the financial responsibility they willingly took upon themselves. I paid for theinsurance on the part. They got my money and a risk.
Next thing you'll be telling people not to file a claim on their insurance when they get into an accident because it was their fault.. why should the insurance companies have to pay? Their business is taking that risk. That is what insurance is for.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Rollo

But when you try to overclock something you are taking a chance and a risk and you don't know if you will burn the card or not so you are not really deliberately misusing it and trying to burn it because you don't know your exact chances of damaging the card.

This is not a valid argument. It's analogous to say, "It wasn't a crime for me to drive my car drunk because I didn't know I'd hit those people".
I emailed ATI a year or two ago to see what they thought of OCing. They said it voids your warranty and that they don't approve. I realize this may have changed with the OCer driver features they now include, but IMO, I've never seen a significant gain in performance on the high end cards from OCing, so why risk your money or being a thief?
I don't care either way about the people who risk their money and take responsibility, or the original poster using his warranty properly.
I care about the attitude, "Everyone is doing it, why shouldn't we?" and I'm not going to rationalize what amounts to gray area theft with "some Best Buy clerk said it's OK!", "the insurance companies come out ahead anyway", "the companies should make cards capable of performing above spec", "I spend lots on cards, they owe me", or any other nonsense.

I bet the story would be different if I bought a video card from these guys, OCd it 25%, burned it and asked for my money back.

Thanks to those who remember what people in this country used to be like, when our parents taught us the difference between right and wrong instead of letting "The Fairly Odd Parents" do it.

Its obvious you don't know how to overclock if you never got much performance gains.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You don't seem to get it so I will lay it out for you.
If the BestBuy representative tells me that if I buy their service plan they will replace the part no matter what, even if I overclocked it and then I buy the plan, I am entitled to have it replaced even If my overclocking it burnt it out.
There is no integrity is allowing Best Buy to shirk the financial responsibility they willingly took upon themselves. I paid for theinsurance on the part. They got my money and a risk.
Next thing you'll be telling people not to file a claim on their insurance when they get into an accident because it was their fault.. why should the insurance companies have to pay? Their business is taking that risk. That is what insurance is for.

IF the fine print on BB's service plan contract says nothing about abuse/running out of spec, then you're right. You can't believe a word the salesmen say though, they're just trying to get you to buy it and can't be taken seriously.

Interestingly, their website has a bunch of information about the service plan, but doesn't mention what isn't covered. But I'd be willing to bet it's in the fine print.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You don't seem to get it so I will lay it out for you.
If the BestBuy representative tells me that if I buy their service plan they will replace the part no matter what, even if I overclocked it and then I buy the plan, I am entitled to have it replaced even If my overclocking it burnt it out.
There is no integrity is allowing Best Buy to shirk the financial responsibility they willingly took upon themselves. I paid for theinsurance on the part. They got my money and a risk.

If they sold you a service plan that covers willful misuse and damage, then, while I'd rather not see you abuse the plan like that, you're not breaking any rules. But I'd read the fine print first, regardless of what the salesman told you. The word of a Best Buy drone is not going to get you real far if the actual service plan doesn't cover it.

Next thing you'll be telling people not to file a claim on their insurance when they get into an accident because it was their fault.. why should the insurance companies have to pay? Their business is taking that risk. That is what insurance is for.

Most insurance plans only cover *accidents*, not things that you did on purpose (and even then, your premiums will go up afterwards. I can tell you don't actually have auto insurance.) If I buy fire insurance for my house, then set my house on fire to "see how well it resists burning down", that's usually not covered (and may be considered arson). If I wreck my car on purpose because I want to get worker's comp and a new car, I'll get thrown in jail for insurance fraud.

 

[niall]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
It doesn't matter to me if the salesmen are lying. I will hold them to it.
If the salesmen tell me they replace no matter what then thats what Best Buy is responsible for. They have to back up their salesmens word legally.

Sorry, I'm afraid that is slightly incorrect: the company's legal obligation is to their actual policies, which the salesperson is supposed to represent. If the salesperson lies, it's not the company's problem. And if you can prove it, then it's definitely the salesperson's problem.

Best Buy would probably tell you: "No, there is no such thing in our service contract, read the fine print. We're sorry if you were told otherwise, but it was incorrect." Well, it'd take a whole paragraph of legalese, but it would amount to that.

If it's too good to be true ("abuse it and get a refund anyway"), check the fine print. Ask to see the fine print. If they don't want you to see it, get suspicious...

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You don't seem to get it so I will lay it out for you.
If the BestBuy representative tells me that if I buy their service plan they will replace the part no matter what, even if I overclocked it and then I buy the plan, I am entitled to have it replaced even If my overclocking it burnt it out.
There is no integrity is allowing Best Buy to shirk the financial responsibility they willingly took upon themselves. I paid for theinsurance on the part. They got my money and a risk.

If they sold you a service plan that covers willful misuse and damage, then, while I'd rather not see you abuse the plan like that, you're not breaking any rules. But I'd read the fine print first, regardless of what the salesman told you. The word of a Best Buy drone is not going to get you real far if the actual service plan doesn't cover it.

Next thing you'll be telling people not to file a claim on their insurance when they get into an accident because it was their fault.. why should the insurance companies have to pay? Their business is taking that risk. That is what insurance is for.

Most insurance plans only cover *accidents*, not things that you did on purpose (and even then, your premiums will go up afterwards. I can tell you don't actually have auto insurance.) If I buy fire insurance for my house, then set my house on fire to "see how well it resists burning down", that's usually not covered (and may be considered arson). If I wreck my car on purpose because I want to get worker's comp and a new car, I'll get thrown in jail for insurance fraud.

Sorry I will have to clarify something for you. Auto insurance premiums do not go up because a claim is filed. You premiums go up if you have been convicted of traffic offenses. If you don't get a ticket the prices do not raise. If they did raise you can still go to another company and certainly you should. Usually when an accident happens someone gets a ticket and in result some higher insurance premiums. If they beat the ticket in court then, no fault, no higher premiums.
What you are spouting is all myth.

 

[essasin]

I just came from best buy and they dont offer service plans for video cards and they never have because they would loose so much money with the frequent upgrades. This coming from Sacramento.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You don't seem to get it so I will lay it out for you.
If the BestBuy representative tells me that if I buy their service plan they will replace the part no matter what, even if I overclocked it and then I buy the plan, I am entitled to have it replaced even If my overclocking it burnt it out.
There is no integrity is allowing Best Buy to shirk the financial responsibility they willingly took upon themselves. I paid for theinsurance on the part. They got my money and a risk.
Next thing you'll be telling people not to file a claim on their insurance when they get into an accident because it was their fault.. why should the insurance companies have to pay? Their business is taking that risk. That is what insurance is for.

You are the one who doesn't seem to get it and probably never will.

From Best Buys 2 Year Product Replacement Plan:

General Exclusions: This Plan does not cover replacements necessitated by accidental or intentional physical damage, spilled liquids, insect infestation, misuse, abuse,or damage by non-authorized repair personnel.

Gee, you think running a part out of spec constitutes "misuse"? LOL
"It's OK to steal - the Best Buy clerk told me so!"

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Rollo

But when you try to overclock something you are taking a chance and a risk and you don't know if you will burn the card or not so you are not really deliberately misusing it and trying to burn it because you don't know your exact chances of damaging the card.

This is not a valid argument. It's analogous to say, "It wasn't a crime for me to drive my car drunk because I didn't know I'd hit those people".
I emailed ATI a year or two ago to see what they thought of OCing. They said it voids your warranty and that they don't approve. I realize this may have changed with the OCer driver features they now include, but IMO, I've never seen a significant gain in performance on the high end cards from OCing, so why risk your money or being a thief?
I don't care either way about the people who risk their money and take responsibility, or the original poster using his warranty properly.
I care about the attitude, "Everyone is doing it, why shouldn't we?" and I'm not going to rationalize what amounts to gray area theft with "some Best Buy clerk said it's OK!", "the insurance companies come out ahead anyway", "the companies should make cards capable of performing above spec", "I spend lots on cards, they owe me", or any other nonsense.

I bet the story would be different if I bought a video card from these guys, OCd it 25%, burned it and asked for my money back.

Thanks to those who remember what people in this country used to be like, when our parents taught us the difference between right and wrong instead of letting "The Fairly Odd Parents" do it.

Its obvious you don't know how to overclock if you never got much performance gains.

Why don't you link me to some site that are showing huge, noticeable gains on high end parts by OCing DXKJ?

Wow- Firing Squad must not know how to OC either! I'm in good company, I guess.

Gee, DXKJ, these OCing gains are HUGE! (not)

X800XT Not /OCd
65/68 49/51 103/108 69/72

X800Pro
48/54 36/40 76/85 51/57

WOW! You'd really notice huge gains like that in gameplay, DXKJ. Well worth the $400-$500 risk! Those couple of frames would make ALL the difference, wouldn't they sport? :roll:

Remember I said "high end" card, so I don't want to see any BS about Ti4200>Ti4600 type stuff, we all know cheap cards are worth the risk to OC. We're talking good cards here.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

You can rationalize your seedy character all you like Bugs, but I (and many others) will never respect your shiftless thieving ways.
It's not "fine print", it's the first sentence at the top of the middle column, big letters.
Fraud, huh? LOL, you go, Clarence Darrow! I doubt you have any idea what constitutes "fraud" in your state.

Besides that your analogy suxorz.
A better car analogy you would be" BugsBunny buys a brand new 4wd truck. The owners manual says don't drive on pavement over 60mph in 4wd, or drive on dry pavement in 4wd. Bugs puts the truck in 4wd all the time because he likes driving in 4wd, burns the transmission up using it outside manufacturers spec, and takes it back for warranty repair."

 

[BugsBunny1078]

You are obviously just looking to argue and do not even believe the opinion you have expressed rollo.

 

[bluewall21]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You are obviously just looking to argue and do not even believe the opinion you have expressed rollo.

its almost turning ito OT

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You are obviously just looking to argue and do not even believe the opinion you have expressed rollo.

It's pretty apparent I'm just trolling. I really buy new video cards every week, burn them up and return them.

Sure thing Bugs. A look through my past posts will show you I've always been against this sort of thing.

If no one speaks up about this, kids who don't know any better will think it's OK and teach the same to their kids.

 

[mdegner]

Wow...didn't mean for my problem to go out of control. Lol. Anywho....off to Best Buy tomorrow morning.

::holds a moment of silence::

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

actually that's a terrible analogy.. cause that's exactly what happens.. that's why you are read the "as is, no warranty" disclaimer and asked to sign it. it's a federal disclosure statement, and it supercedes anything that may or may not have been said verbally.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?

lol, yeah, that's exactly what happens. That's why used car salesmen are (at least stereotypically) so seedy...they know that they can SAY whatever they want about the car, and as long as the "as is" tick box is checked they are in the clean. You need to study up on your law, verbal contracts are about as useful as shares of land on the moon.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: niall

- I hope you're on an autobahn or a raceway, the only two places I know where that speed is legal

I don't follow the speed limit. A good driver isnt someone who obeys the law, but someone who is able to respond effictively in situations when another makes a mistake. In essence, even if you follow the rules, you are not protected on the road, or anywhere else in life. Thus the speed limit means nothing to me. I wish they removed speed limits from all roads forever because they just slow people down. Maybe you should take driving lessons and also realize that there are less deaths related to speeding in Germany and other countries where people drive faster. Clearly, it is not speed that kills people, but people who cant drive at high speeds or any speed for that matter because they suck. So just because they don't want to take the time to learn to drive better and improve their ability, others must suffer and crawl 6 hours just to get from Montreal to Toronto because of the stupid speed limit. So don't even get me started....at the very least you could design a 2/3 lane highway where the farthest right "pussy" lane has 100km/h speed limit, and everyone else can go whatever speed they desire.

All of you guys are way too honourable and it seems you've lived in a fairy tale life. Life is tough and you get used to it. Everyone follows their own rules. People suffer, people die, life goes on. People incur costs, others benefit from them. The fact of the matter is, no human being has ever done anything that does not bring him/her future emotional or monetary or other benefit in the long run. Some rules are human nature - like not to kill. Other things are less clearcut. If you can get away with something that is not terrible like returning a product that you damaged for a new one, more power to you. There are things way more important to argue then return of a stupid videocard that you ruined by overclocking.

People keep driving to work, using up the earth's resources without thinking of the consequences and same people here try to teach me manners and how to be honourable and respectful. Please, don't kid yourselves. You are just like everyone else out there, selfish and egotistic (but in different ways => warranty vs. resource abuse vs. "bigger is better" theory etc.). And every person that tells you otherwise is lying to your face. The fact of the matter is, on this earth everyone is for himself. Besides, just because I told you that is what I would do, and I would like to do, it doesnt mean I do it. I have conscience and maybe even if i wanted to return the product that I damaged, it doesn't mean I actually do it because I feel guilty. But all of you simply assumed that I do and that I am a "bad" and "dishonourable" person. The fact of the matter is this is Internet, as such you cannot believe everything that people say, everything must be taken with a grain of salt. With this in mind, some of you who believe in honour and what you have said, could go into a store and do exactly what I described. The whole world revolves around corruption and abuse of power and rules ... so obviously there are a lot of people who have the same thoughts as I do, but not everyone "executes" these thoughts...

Now let's move on to better things besides warranty troubles .... this isn't ethics class.

 

[BugsBunny1078]

WHen I buy a video card I have 30 days to return it if anything goes wrong.ANYTHING. After that the warranty kicks in and that is limited in scope. Best to find your max overclock during the 30 days since it is easier to return if defective. If the video card burns out because it is overclocked it is defective. Non defective parts may crash or reboot or show artifacts but if it actually becomes permanently damaged then it is a defective part . Thus I am only returning a defective part as I should. How ya like that rollo?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
WHen I buy a video card I have 30 days to return it if anything goes wrong.ANYTHING. After that the warranty kicks in and that is limited in scope. Best to find your max overclock during the 30 days since it is easier to return if defective. If the video card burns out because it is overclocked it is defective. Non defective parts may crash or reboot or show artifacts but if it actually becomes permanently damaged then it is a defective part . Thus I am only returning a defective part as I should. How ya like that rollo?

I think it fits with the character and level of intellect you've shown here, and that you ask for contempt from honest people.

Go ahead and revel in your dishonesty, most people don't consider such things a badge of honor.

Mostly I feel sorry for you, and your parents.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: niall

- I hope you're on an autobahn or a raceway, the only two places I know where that speed is legal

I don't follow the speed limit. A good driver isnt someone who obeys the law, but someone who is able to respond effictively in situations when another makes a mistake. In essence, even if you follow the rules, you are not protected on the road, or anywhere else in life. Thus the speed limit means nothing to me. I wish they removed speed limits from all roads forever because they just slow people down. Maybe you should take driving lessons and also realize that there are less deaths related to speeding in Germany and other countries where people drive faster. Clearly, it is not speed that kills people, but people who cant drive at high speeds or any speed for that matter because they suck. So just because they don't want to take the time to learn to drive better and improve their ability, others must suffer and crawl 6 hours just to get from Montreal to Toronto because of the stupid speed limit. So don't even get me started....at the very least you could design a 2/3 lane highway where the farthest right "pussy" lane has 100km/h speed limit, and everyone else can go whatever speed they desire.

All of you guys are way too honourable and it seems you've lived in a fairy tale life. Life is tough and you get used to it. Everyone follows their own rules. People suffer, people die, life goes on. People incur costs, others benefit from them. The fact of the matter is, no human being has ever done anything that does not bring him/her future emotional or monetary or other benefit in the long run. Some rules are human nature - like not to kill. Other things are less clearcut. If you can get away with something that is not terrible like returning a product that you damaged for a new one, more power to you. There are things way more important to argue then return of a stupid videocard that you ruined by overclocking.

People keep driving to work, using up the earth's resources without thinking of the consequences and same people here try to teach me manners and how to be honourable and respectful. Please, don't kid yourselves. You are just like everyone else out there, selfish and egotistic (but in different ways => warranty vs. resource abuse vs. "bigger is better" theory etc.). And every person that tells you otherwise is lying to your face. The fact of the matter is, on this earth everyone is for himself. Besides, just because I told you that is what I would do, and I would like to do, it doesnt mean I do it. I have conscience and maybe even if i wanted to return the product that I damaged, it doesn't mean I actually do it because I feel guilty. But all of you simply assumed that I do and that I am a "bad" and "dishonourable" person. The fact of the matter is this is Internet, as such you cannot believe everything that people say, everything must be taken with a grain of salt. With this in mind, some of you who believe in honour and what you have said, could go into a store and do exactly what I described. The whole world revolves around corruption and abuse of power and rules ... so obviously there are a lot of people who have the same thoughts as I do, but not everyone "executes" these thoughts...

Now let's move on to better things besides warranty troubles .... this isn't ethics class.

Wow. This is flawed on so many levels I wouldn't know where to start.

(mental note: pointless to converse with Russian Sensation and Bugs Bunny 1078)

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Right Rollo so if I sold you a car... I told you it is perfect condition yadda yadda yadda then you buy it from me but I gave you a piece of paper with the car that said in fine print that the car has no brakes and you are buying the car as is, no matter what the salesman told you. Then you would be stuck with that you think?
Its fraud if I didn;t live up to my verbal agreement even if the contract said otherwise.
If best Buy employees tell you one thing then BestBuy has to live up to that otheriwse it is fraud.

You can rationalize your seedy character all you like Bugs, but I (and many others) will never respect your shiftless thieving ways.

Who the fvck cares? The problem with you is, you think your opinion matters. The fact is, it doesn't. Now pretty please, with sugar on it, STFU.