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(R) Elector - "Why I Will Not Cast My Electoral Vote for Donald Trump"

Supposedly there are 4 vowing this. They are willing to select another Republican, but not Trump. Also, apparently this is perfectly legal and within the bounds of what the EC was made for. That said, I just don't see how this could happen without causing some kind of turmoil.
 
For a bit of irony-

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We need 37 decent people who are currently Trump delegates to live up to their responsibility & make Clinton President.
 
How often has this happened in the past (or has it)?

from Fairvote.org:

Since the founding of the Electoral College, there have been 157 faithless electors. 71 of these votes were changed because the original candidate died before the day on which the Electoral College cast its votes. Three of the votes were not cast at all as three electors chose to abstain from casting their electoral vote for any candidate. The other 82 electoral votes were changed on the personal initiative of the elector.
 
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I absolutely do not think that the EC will vote HRC into office, nor probably should they (I say because I worry about the seething masses in such a case, despite HRCs significant popular vote lead). That said, if they did, which is technically possible, would the same people who have been repeating, "This is the system, everyone knew the rules, the EC has been in place, etc." simply sit shocked and say, "Well, it's in the rules." .. I highly doubt it.
 
The guy is a wack job.

He has surrounded himself with advisers such as Stephen K. Bannon, who claims to be a Leninist and lauds villains and their thirst for power, including Darth Vader. “Rogue One,” the latest “Star Wars” installment, arrives later this month. I am not taking my children to see it to celebrate evil, but to show them that light can overcome it.
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The very people who would be the most inflamed by an electoral college overturning of Trump are the people who have the most guns, and know how to shoot them.

Not a winning scenario.
 
boomerang said:
Very good. You're as sharp as a tack this morning. If you were in grade school you might be awarded a gold star placed on your forehead. 🙄
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You seem very disturbed by the news this 911 firefighter isn't going to vote for the President-Elect in the EC. Lashing out and what not.

Is everything all right? I mean normally you are so even keeled.
 
It's something one could pray for, but there are a lot more timid people in general, and their numbers are probably represented in the electoral college.

I despise the notion of absolute loyalty to a party and its ideology. I've compared the general Republican response to Trump as something like the gathering at end of Rosemary's Baby around the crib. There were enough defectors with solid GOP histories, but what I saw after the primary was knee-jerk partisan loyalty.

I've watched after-election interviews with the Trump focus groups we'd met during the campaign. Some of those people seem absolutely wacko, and you wonder what exactly was their planet of birth.

Another group of people -- all Trump voters -- were met by Van Jones over a dining table the other day. It was almost plausible they didn't subscribe to views -- racist, xenophobic and other attributes -- articulated by Trump at his rallies. They didn't identify with some of the more extreme supporters at those rallies.

Instead, they simply observed that they didn't pay attention to what Trump had said in these regards, that they took a chance in voting for Trump on purely economic grounds. These are the folks in the rust-belt who live in view of rusted-out factories and warehouses. That was their criterion.

Jones was incredulous at one point, how they -- people of modest means, born into a working-class or lower-middle-class family -- could support a privileged 2-percenter like Trump. They had no coherent answer.

To many of us -- and we certainly had voted the other way because we'd known Trump for a dozen years with Apprentice, Birtherism and the campaign rhetoric -- Trump's nomination and win seems like a slap in the face for every conviction we have about the Truth, character, civility, and other matters. We cannot understand how so many other voters tongue-in-cheek could pick someone who has lowered our political dialogue to the level of the WWWF Smackdowns.

As one of those folks, I don't much care about any outrage they might feel if the Electoral College flips, and I don't care whether there's unrest. Like the writer and Texas EC member, I'm more worried about my country as a whole. We've been through unrest and even civil war once before. We've never to my memory had a president as disgusting in so many ways as Trump.

I wonder what his supporters think of our "respect" for their choice after he takes office.

I thought up another bumper sticker idea in two panels: "Kids! Be good Americans!" . . . "Give President Asshole due respect!"

In other words, he'll never have it from me.
 
Great, one more post to potentially politicize...

Votes need to count for something. I do not like the idea of this, or setting a prescient where half the election will be to stuff loyalists into the EC to ensure they actually vote for the winner.


Trump is heading for impeachment unless he radically changes tack. Let nature take its course.
 
Bitek said:
Great, one more post to potentially politicize...

Votes need to count for something. I do not like the idea of this, or setting a prescient where half the election will be to stuff loyalists into the EC to ensure they actually vote for the winner.


Trump is heading for impeachment unless he radically changes tack. Let nature take its course.
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Hate to say it but the EC is stuffed with party loyalists. When the votes are tabulated for a state and the winner chosen the party that won gets to send their delegation to the EC. They send party insiders and loyalists.

That's why it's highly unlikely the EC would ever overturn the vote. A significant number of party loyalists would have to vote against their own parties candidate for that to happen.
 
Bitek said:
Great, one more post to potentially politicize...

Votes need to count for something. I do not like the idea of this, or setting a prescient where half the election will be to stuff loyalists into the EC to ensure they actually vote for the winner.


Trump is heading for impeachment unless he radically changes tack. Let nature take its course.
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I'd only feel relieved in the one-out-of-a-quadra-zillion chance that the EC flips enough to reject Trump. I would carry that relief into the streets with the risk of strife or even civil war. I say that because I wouldn't need to worry further about whether a 21st century Klaus von Stauffenburg could be successful if things turn in such a sour direction that it's almost too late.

Of course, it looks as though Trump could be headed for impeachment, and I'd urge anyone and everyone in Congress to put a stiff leash on that disgusting puppy. But I'd mentioned before a 1953 play by Max Frisch entitled "Biedermann and the Arsonists," and the lesson it might provide.

Go along, get along, be polite, be indifferent -- until it's too late and the house is in flames. I'd lived indifferently through presidencies I just didn't like, with no real consequences and no chance of making any further difference other than going back to the polls for the next election.

I even predicted the major events of the Bush presidency before his inauguration, and went forward with my life as I had with so many predecessors.

Now, I can't predict anything identifiable like "the Iraq War, the housing-bubble-burst, the unwarranted influence of Big Oil on the first item" -- list goes on. I only expect some sort of vague shadow of mischief falling over the country.

And nature will take its course. I was laughing through my tears to hear people say that "Trump is just an act, he's really a nice guy -- he'll change." I "knew" him from the first few times I flipped the channel to "Apprentice." He was obviously a low-life slug with Birther-ism. His personal psychology is so evident and certain, and his denial about it so solid, there will be no change.
 
Paratus said:
You seem very disturbed by the news this 911 firefighter isn't going to vote for the President-Elect in the EC. Lashing out and what not.

Is everything all right? I mean normally you are so even keeled.
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What, are you an elector? Do you plan to act in Bad Faith?

Do you hate America?

OR, do you think you know better than its collective gut instinct?
 
Paratus said:
Hate to say it but the EC is stuffed with party loyalists. When the votes are tabulated for a state and the winner chosen the party that won gets to send their delegation to the EC. They send party insiders and loyalists.

That's why it's highly unlikely the EC would ever overturn the vote. A significant number of party loyalists would have to vote against their own parties candidate for that to happen.
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Undeserved loyalty is insubstantial. If 37+ EC members abandon ship, that works for me, and IMO the country at large.
 
Painman said:
What, are you an elector? Do you plan to act in Bad Faith?

Do you hate America?

OR, do you think you know better than its collective gut instinct?
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Interesting that you're apparently happy with the electoral college electors acting contrary to the will of the majority of voters nationwide, but are enraged by the electoral college electors acting contrary to a majority of voters in their state. I guess 'collective gut instinct' only goes halfway. 🙂
 
Lol. The very people who argue against a popular vote are raging at the possibility of faithless electors. Defective brains.
 
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