(R) Elector - "Why I Will Not Cast My Electoral Vote for Donald Trump"

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Lol. The very people who argue against a popular vote are raging at the possibility of faithless electors. Defective brains.
Yep, such twisted logic. The "will of the people" except when it's the "will of the people"...

Never mind the other reasons the Founders set up the EC - to have people come together to make an informed decision and vote for a qualified person: from Federalist #68:
It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.
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The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best,'' yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration.
 

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Edit - misleading title...n/m
 
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ivwshane

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I call bullshit on these stories but the irony of trump not getting the presidency because of electoral college voters in red states not voting for him is pretty amusing.
 

OutHouse

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We need 37 decent people who are currently Trump delegates to live up to their responsibility & make Clinton Führer.

fixed that that for you so you and your brown shirt thugs are on the same page.
 

fskimospy

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fixed that that for you so you and your brown shirt thugs are on the same page.

Quick question, although I disagree with the electoral college in principle it was EXPLICITLY CREATED to thwart the election of unqualified, unstable demagogues. If it wasn't created for someone like Trump then who was it created for?
 

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I call bullshit on these stories but the irony of trump not getting the presidency because of electoral college voters in red states not voting for him is pretty amusing.

Yeah it was bullshit. When they said "2nd" they are counting the guy a few weeks ago that stepped down. This is the same guy as in the article. So sorta..kinda..not really 2nd to not vote for trump.
 

OutHouse

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Quick question, although I disagree with the electoral college in principle it was EXPLICITLY CREATED to thwart the election of unqualified, unstable demagogues. If it wasn't created for someone like Trump then who was it created for?

First: This has been explained to you very clearly many many many many many times in other EC threads.

Second: Hillary's Demagoguery
 

brycejones

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fixed that that for you so you and your brown shirt thugs are on the same page.

Interesting that you are so very enamored of Trump's demagoguery and give him a pass yet freak out about Hillary who hasn't shown remotely the same propensity for that behavior. Oh that's right you're just a hack who posts from the toilet of your mind on a regular basis.
 
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God damn the hypocricy is flowing in this thread from the righties lol

I mean, its par for the course, but i think they just hit a hole in one.
 
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Kazukian

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Suprun says he won't be voting for Hillary either, says he'll pick a 3rd party candidate.

He's asking for drama by announcing it. Dallas is liberal, but it's still kind of stupid of him, and he'll never be selected as an elector again.
 

jackstar7

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I'm more interested in the idea of negotiations to get Huntsman or Powell in, but I don't think that's allowed Constitutionally.
 

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The article said there was a second elector in Texas that won't vote for Trump.

There's been two electors that went public in Texas. One guy that rescinded his title since he wouldn't vote for Trump. He'll get appointed by another person who we do not know what they will vote. This elector has publicly said he will not vote for Trump. So he's technically been the second elector in Texas to say he won't vote for Trump. But really the only one that we *know* that isn't voting for him.

Besides, I checked the names and article I linked it was actually the same guy as in OP of this thread. So it was an unnecessary link.
 

fskimospy

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Suprun says he won't be voting for Hillary either, says he'll pick a 3rd party candidate.

He's asking for drama by announcing it. Dallas is liberal, but it's still kind of stupid of him, and he'll never be selected as an elector again.

Why would he care about that? If he's not going to use his vote to stand up for his principles then what's the point of having it?
 

werepossum

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I'm more interested in the idea of negotiations to get Huntsman or Powell in, but I don't think that's allowed Constitutionally.
I think technically it's allowed, but it would have to run several ballots to clear those electors bound for the first few ballots, and it would mean the end of democracy in America. Unless Trump dies before the vote, he's going to be President, or we're going to have a Constitutional crisis and probably a second civil war. Too many of us are not willing to see the elite take over the task of deciding which of them should be in power, regardless of our feelings about Trump.
 

LegendKiller

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Yeah, quite the conservative. His pr firm was founded by van Jones. Who, as we all know, is a huge conservative. Fuck this guy.

Guy even looks like ultracuck Glenn Beck with his hipster haircut and problem glasses.
 

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The very people who would be the most inflamed by an electoral college overturning of Trump are the people who have the most guns, and know how to shoot them.

Not a winning scenario.

Laughable.

They dont know shit.
 

BonzaiDuck

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The article said there was a second elector in Texas that won't vote for Trump.

There's been two electors that went public in Texas. One guy that rescinded his title since he wouldn't vote for Trump. He'll get appointed by another person who we do not know what they will vote. This elector has publicly said he will not vote for Trump. So he's technically been the second elector in Texas to say he won't vote for Trump. But really the only one that we *know* that isn't voting for him.

Besides, I checked the names and article I linked it was actually the same guy as in OP of this thread. So it was an unnecessary link.

Ah, you pushed I button I forgot I had. That actually shows the faintest glimmer of hope toward the longshot of stopping Monster Trump in his tracks. Texas and California were not only the two largest pieces of topography in the Union; they were 7% and 12% of the 1960 US population in general, and I don't think those ratios change through middle of the Bush years. Each has a pile of electoral votes following the number of congressional districts either directly or in proportion.

Two in Texas? Those are the ones who've come forward.

I could offer some encouragement. I'd sell out the Repubican Party to International Communism, the angels of Hell and Hell's angels without asking a dime. Proud to say it.

That's the sort of union we're in. How could you do that on a massive scale without hurting the remainder of the country? Maybe, noting Obama's speech today about the effectiveness of drone strikes, the well-placed letter-to-editor, a sharing of opinions and facts, one can be surgical.

Anyone thought of canceling their long-term customer relationships with this or that business whom you may have come to know as an Obama-hating Trump-worshipper? I asked my local Dem Party to put together a "Blue" list and give people the option of boycotting the Reds.

When I do that, I may make one last visit to the customer desk to unload a verbal shrapnel of explanation. Next best thing to slapping someone firmly in the face.

If I seem pissed off, I just finished following Obama's address to CENTCOM -- marvelous in its tone, content and balance. An Asshole congressman from new York was asked for comment after several others had weighed in to give the Prez a hand. He diminished, he disparaged, he denied -- vowing that Trump would take us in a new turn of foreign policy and military deployment.

If Obama had observed that we'd spent only $10 billion toward pushing ISIS into its little corner and retrieving Iraq over two years, what are the implications of "a new turn?"

I cannot respect in any way someone who supports Trump. The reason I've said that is that he leaves those not his supporters little room to reconfigure and adjust. He just slaps us in the face. And that's all he'll get from me, short of finding an opportunity to do it literally.
 

LegendKiller

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lol... fucking twitter as a source. zero surprise on that
And?

Ohh, I forgot. Unless it is blessed by zucker or comcast, it isn't "real news" because they would *never* lie.

It isn't ironic that liberals not only want big governments but big news and big brother. As that study says, totalitarianism is a leftist thing.
 

brycejones

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And?

Ohh, I forgot. Unless it is blessed by zucker or comcast, it isn't "real news" because they would *never* lie.

It isn't ironic that liberals not only want big governments but big news and big brother. As that study says, totalitarianism is a leftist thing.

Don't you need to get back to stormfront so you can whine about whites being out bred?