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[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Who said anything about pretending, you might hear voices but I don't. All non-believers are the greatest ignorants ever walked on earth, that I know for sure, merely because they even lack the tiniest bit of temperament to find out if there is more, they lack judgmental skills, they do not have capacity to analyze themselves, merely flaming their arguments based on scientific research done by other great people...they also happen to be lazy whose minds do not get fixed on any idea, I try ignore those people who take mysteries of nature as a entertainment package because they've got nothing better to do in their lives.

I am extremely thankful am not like that....

I really hope you're joking. Otherwise, please don't reproduce. Your gene pool must be drained immediately.

Yes, I expect your gene pool is full of outspoken atheists.

 

[RESmonkey]

This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: shocksyde

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Who said anything about pretending, you might hear voices but I don't. All non-believers are the greatest ignorants ever walked on earth, that I know for sure, merely because they even lack the tiniest bit of temperament to find out if there is more, they lack judgmental skills, they do not have capacity to analyze themselves, merely flaming their arguments based on scientific research done by other great people...they also happen to be lazy whose minds do not get fixed on any idea, I try ignore those people who take mysteries of nature as a entertainment package because they've got nothing better to do in their lives.

I am extremely thankful am not like that....

I really hope you're joking. Otherwise, please don't reproduce. Your gene pool must be drained immediately.

Yes, I expect your gene pool is full of outspoken atheists.

I will not be forcing my beliefs on my children. They are free to choose, as I was.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

I think it's time you go pray in a church or something. 🙂
Why don't you ask your god to cure aids, huh?

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

I think it's time you go pray in a church or something. 🙂
Why don't you ask your god to cure aids, huh?

Because God isn't a vending machine for your petitions. You speak like God owes you something. If you want to pray God, pray for knowlege and cure those people yourself.

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

Learn to accept others have different views (which may be right or wrong) and move on with your life.

The lack of tolerance of other beliefs is what really bothers me. Open your mind and stop being such an asshole (both of you).

 

[So]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: So
Whenever someone capitalizes "Him" I lose oodles of respect for their opinion. Just say "Jesus" or "God" fer chrissakes...seriously.

so do you also lose respect for people wearing a cross or any other visible representation of their faith? that's very sad that you lose respect for someone based on their beliefs. i knew you were anti-religion but i didn't think you were anti-people.

Oh, I'm very much anti people. But that's beside the point. the whole capitalization thing is stuck up and pedantic. Surely you see my objection to that. If someone is wearing a small cross, or somesuch, well, that's not my bag (I mean defining myself using symbols) but I certainly do think it's hilarious when people wear magical underwear.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: Aberforth If there is God, you must seek him...not the other way around, only then all doubts will vanish and real truth will come out.

sorry, but this is some vague garbage.

sorry but so is your comment.

But it's true. If I pretend really hard, I can hear voices in my head too! I can even hear Darth Vader telling me that I am his true son...

Who said anything about pretending, you might hear voices but I don't. All non-believers are the greatest ignorants ever walked on earth, that I know for sure, merely because they even lack the tiniest bit of temperament to find out if there is more, they lack judgmental skills, they do not have capacity to analyze themselves, merely flaming their arguments based on scientific research done by other great people...they also happen to be lazy whose minds do not get fixed on any idea, I try ignore those people who take mysteries of nature as a entertainment package because they've got nothing better to do in their lives.

I am extremely thankful am not like that....

Wow, just wow. Seriously? And I thought I was a holier than thou jack***.

What are you trying to argue? It's not even cohesive. No seriously, I think you wanted to make an argument of some sort here, but you just started to spout a bunch of nonsense about how atheists are lazy and stupid and you're smarter. Now I think that saying "Him" is a pretentious affectation but I don't think I ever said xtians were dumb.

 

[Gamingphreek]

And here is the typical ATOT crowd who despite religion or lack there of has no concerns about bashing everyone else. Seriously guys, most of you don't paint a pretty picture for whatever you believe by constantly flaming the person whose belief differs.

First off let me clarify something; Christianity is indeed based by faith but it is supplemented by evidence. Sure you can't see Jesus, but you can see all that he has done around you. Not only that the more we find archaeologically, the more accurate it all seems. Dead sea scrolls solidified that the Bible remained virtually unchanged from the ancient text. The book of numbers traces all these family trees - so much so that you can trace the OT prophets prophesies and see that over a span of hundreds of years that those prophesies came true. The ark of the covenant has been claimed to be found in Turkey.

Atheism is widely misconstrued. Atheism is the firm belief that there is no God AND there is no evidence that there ever was/is a God. Most people tend to leave out the second point when defining themselves as Atheists.

OP you have some good questions. I would be more than happy to talk over PM or E-Mail about them and, perhaps, both of us can grow in some way. I would encourage you to do the reading as recommended - that can be very powerful - but God works in many way ways, this may not be the way that he speaks to you.

Edit: Aberforth - You have some very passionate arguments. But you are forgetting that as a Christian we are called to love one another. Calling others half-witted, narrow-minded, and stuck up is not the way to live that out. It doesn't matter if someone is flaming you, it happens, but you can't fall to anger.

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

I think it's time you go pray in a church or something. 🙂
Why don't you ask your god to cure aids, huh?

Because God isn't a vending machine for your petitions. You speak like God owes you something. If you want to pray God, pray for knowlege and cure those people yourself.

lolerskates!

Why do people need a god, anyway? Are you that scared of life?

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
And here is the typical ATOT crowd who despite religion or lack there of has no concerns about bashing everyone else. Seriously guys, most of you don't paint a pretty picture for whatever you believe by constantly flaming the person whose belief differs.

First off let me clarify something; Christianity is indeed based by faith but it is supplemented by evidence. Sure you can't see Jesus, but you can see all that he has done around you. Not only that the more we find archaeologically, the more accurate it all seems. Dead sea scrolls solidified that the Bible remained virtually unchanged from the ancient text. The book of numbers traces all these family trees - so much so that you can trace the OT prophets prophesies and see that over a span of hundreds of years that those prophesies came true. The ark of the covenant has been claimed to be found in Turkey.

Atheism is widely misconstrued. Atheism is the firm belief that there is no God AND there is no evidence that there ever was/is a God. Most people tend to leave out the second point when defining themselves as Atheists.

OP you have some good questions. I would be more than happy to talk over PM or E-Mail about them and, perhaps, both of us can grow in some way. I would encourage you to do the reading as recommended - that can be very powerful - but God works in many way ways, this may not be the way that he speaks to you.

If we don't bash, they'll never change.

Wait till mid-day and afternoon crew see this 😛

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

I think it's time you go pray in a church or something. 🙂
Why don't you ask your god to cure aids, huh?

Because God isn't a vending machine for your petitions. You speak like God owes you something. If you want to pray God, pray for knowlege and cure those people yourself.

lolerskates!

Why do people need a god, anyway? Are you that scared of life?

Denial of God will not liberate you from his operation, where as humble acceptance of divine authority makes life journey easier just like the acceptance of our government rule makes life under it easier.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
And here is the typical ATOT crowd who despite religion or lack there of has no concerns about bashing everyone else. Seriously guys, most of you don't paint a pretty picture for whatever you believe by constantly flaming the person whose belief differs.

First off let me clarify something; Christianity is indeed based by faith but it is supplemented by evidence. Sure you can't see Jesus, but you can see all that he has done around you. Not only that the more we find archaeologically, the more accurate it all seems. Dead sea scrolls solidified that the Bible remained virtually unchanged from the ancient text. The book of numbers traces all these family trees - so much so that you can trace the OT prophets prophesies and see that over a span of hundreds of years that those prophesies came true. The ark of the covenant has been claimed to be found in Turkey.

Atheism is widely misconstrued. Atheism is the firm belief that there is no God AND there is no evidence that there ever was/is a God. Most people tend to leave out the second point when defining themselves as Atheists.

OP you have some good questions. I would be more than happy to talk over PM or E-Mail about them and, perhaps, both of us can grow in some way. I would encourage you to do the reading as recommended - that can be very powerful - but God works in many way ways, this may not be the way that he speaks to you.

If we don't bash, they'll never change.

Wait till mid-day and afternoon crew see this 😛

I would like for you all to not bash, but you can't be held accountable for the same things. Christians are supposed to live as Jesus called us to. All the Christians bashing in this thread are basically ignoring Jesus greatest commandment (To love each other).

Wait till mid-day and afternoon see it? I have 5x the number of posts as you - trust me I have argued my fair share of religious threads 😉 - Nothing changes and my attitude certainly doesn't change.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DeePee
Just got into a heavily debated argument with my family about religion. I told them I was agnostic. I was raised in a southern baptist environment. I did mission trips, etc. I'm on the fence. I told them I think religion is a relief for people who are scared of never gaining consciousness after one dies.

I want to believe there is a higher being but it's hard. IMO, it's hard to believe we came from evolution and have accomplished some of the things we as humans have done. At the same time it's hard to believe out of nowhere we were made from scratch. Why are there retarded children? Why do we have an appendix which servers no purpose to our body?

I guess anything and everything can be manipulated and shaped into what anybody wants it to. I'm just in the dark of where I came from.

Sorry for my thoughtless waste of a thread.

I'm just in a thinking/imaginative kind of mood I suppose.

ps- I've been drinking.

Go ahead and tear my post apart, I'm bored.

it's good to question things, but i do hope you find some direction in your life soon.
good luck. 🙂

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
This thread is full of religious retards 😛

edit = Aberforth, you're wrong. You're god doesn't exist. Get over it.

God exists.

I think it is wise to stop answering every comment made by a bunch of self righteous half-wits.

I think it's time you go pray in a church or something. 🙂
Why don't you ask your god to cure aids, huh?

Because God isn't a vending machine for your petitions. You speak like God owes you something. If you want to pray God, pray for knowlege and cure those people yourself.

lolerskates!

Why do people need a god, anyway? Are you that scared of life?

Denial of God will not liberate you from his operation, where as humble acceptance of divine authority makes life journey easier just like the acceptance of our government rule makes life under it easier.

Dude, now you sound crazy. This is why we can't have religion.

 

[slightlyhuman]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: So
Whenever someone capitalizes "Him" I lose oodles of respect for their opinion. Just say "Jesus" or "God" fer chrissakes...seriously.

so do you also lose respect for people wearing a cross or any other visible representation of their faith? that's very sad that you lose respect for someone based on their beliefs. i knew you were anti-religion but i didn't think you were anti-people.

yes, boggles my mind as well. i maybe not agree with some peoples beliefs but to down them/lose respect is stupid.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
And here is the typical ATOT crowd who despite religion or lack there of has no concerns about bashing everyone else. Seriously guys, most of you don't paint a pretty picture for whatever you believe by constantly flaming the person whose belief differs.

First off let me clarify something; Christianity is indeed based by faith but it is supplemented by evidence. Sure you can't see Jesus, but you can see all that he has done around you. Not only that the more we find archaeologically, the more accurate it all seems. Dead sea scrolls solidified that the Bible remained virtually unchanged from the ancient text. The book of numbers traces all these family trees - so much so that you can trace the OT prophets prophesies and see that over a span of hundreds of years that those prophesies came true. The ark of the covenant has been claimed to be found in Turkey.

Atheism is widely misconstrued. Atheism is the firm belief that there is no God AND there is no evidence that there ever was/is a God. Most people tend to leave out the second point when defining themselves as Atheists.

OP you have some good questions. I would be more than happy to talk over PM or E-Mail about them and, perhaps, both of us can grow in some way. I would encourage you to do the reading as recommended - that can be very powerful - but God works in many way ways, this may not be the way that he speaks to you.

Edit: Aberforth - You have some very passionate arguments. But you are forgetting that as a Christian we are called to love one another. Calling others half-witted, narrow-minded, and stuck up is not the way to live that out. It doesn't matter if someone is flaming you, it happens, but you can't fall to anger.

Well put. I will disagree with you on points (and am about to do so) but I appreciate that you are willing to approach others in a civil fashion.


Off to your post:
1. Would you point me to some good, specific evidence -- evidence that indicates that there is a god, not evidence that some portions of the bible are accurate?
2. Would you point to evidence of a specific prophesy that has been fulfilled? Something like "Mr X will die in a train accident on tuesday, august 7th" and then it happened?

3. Atheism isn't the firm belief that there is no god. Atheism is the firm belief that there is no good evidence of a god, and that it would be silly to pretend that there was a god, or even treat seriously the possibility of a god without such evidence.

From an atheist's standpoint, the claim of a god is, frankly, extraordinary. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

To be painfully honest, I am unaware of any evidence that could convince me. Even if god came down and spoke to every person on earth at once, how could I rule out the possibility of an extremely sophisticated alien race?

 

[shocksyde]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
First off let me clarify something; Christianity is indeed based by faith but it is supplemented by evidence. Sure you can't see Jesus, but you can see all that he has done around you. Not only that the more we find archaeologically, the more accurate it all seems. Dead sea scrolls solidified that the Bible remained virtually unchanged from the ancient text. The book of numbers traces all these family trees - so much so that you can trace the OT prophets prophesies and see that over a span of hundreds of years that those prophesies came true. The ark of the covenant has been claimed to be found in Turkey.

My problem with the bolded statement is that the "ancient text" was based almost completely on word-of-mouth and second-(or third-, or fourth-)hand accounts, some of which weren't even added until 100s of years after the "fact". You simply can't state that as evidence.

Also, accuracy in the Bible proves absolutely nothing. There are thousands and thousands of fictional books with truth in them, but they are still considered fiction.

Just trying to argue my side, no bashing intended.

 

[RESmonkey]

Just 1 question for you, Aberforth:


What do you think of other religious that worship more than 1 god or goddess?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: So
Whenever someone capitalizes "Him" I lose oodles of respect for their opinion. Just say "Jesus" or "God" fer chrissakes...seriously.

so do you also lose respect for people wearing a cross or any other visible representation of their faith? that's very sad that you lose respect for someone based on their beliefs. i knew you were anti-religion but i didn't think you were anti-people.

Oh, I'm very much anti people. But that's beside the point. the whole capitalization thing is stuck up and pedantic. Surely you see my objection to that. If someone is wearing a small cross, or somesuch, well, that's not my bag (I mean defining myself using symbols) but I certainly do think it's hilarious when people where magical underwear.

:facepalm:

 

[RESmonkey]

Paging tenshodo... need backup! Too many crazy people in this thread !

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Just 1 question for you, Aberforth:


What do you think of other religious that worship more than 1 god or goddess?

You know God said in some book "Whosoever comes to me, through whatsoever form, I reach him. All men are struggling through paths unknown which in the end lead to me."

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
First off let me clarify something; Christianity is indeed based by faith but it is supplemented by evidence. Sure you can't see Jesus, but you can see all that he has done around you. Not only that the more we find archaeologically, the more accurate it all seems. Dead sea scrolls solidified that the Bible remained virtually unchanged from the ancient text. The book of numbers traces all these family trees - so much so that you can trace the OT prophets prophesies and see that over a span of hundreds of years that those prophesies came true. The ark of the covenant has been claimed to be found in Turkey.

No. Evidence that the texts have survived unchanged for thousands of years does absolutely nothing to prove the existence of an all powerful supernatural being that has told us how we should live. You've made quite a stretch there.

Again, same goes for the ark of the covenant. Although it has not been found, even if it was, it does nothing to prove theism is correct (or particularly the Christian theism). No one disputes that there are some historically accurate things in the bible but where we differ is on how these prove or don't prove theism. To me, it was simply the people of the time writing down the way they saw the world. Nothing more. That is how all writers have done it since writing was born.

Atheism is widely misconstrued. Atheism is the firm belief that there is no God AND there is no evidence that there ever was/is a God. Most people tend to leave out the second point when defining themselves as Atheists.

No. Check skace's posts above. There is strong atheism and weak atheism. I still define myself as an agnostic to most people though because the term has less of a stigma attached to it.

If anything, I would say you have a wildly miscontstrued notion of theism and its truth. It is one thing to take it on faith but you're actually trying to prove that there is solid evidence to support its validity. Which is kind of sad but I can't blame someone for believes for trying.

One thing that has always bugged me is theism. Not deism or pantheism, but theism. It suggests that not only do you know there is a supreme being, but you know his words, message, and teachings. That unless one believes in this particuclar theism he or she is going to a supernatural place called hell, which we only know about because man wrote about it thousands of years ago. But if they do, when they die they go to a place to spend all eternity (what man can even fathom such a length of time) in peace with their loved ones. Equally ridiculous. This idea was born out of despair the people felt for the times they lived in. I'd want to die and go to heaven as well if there were no cures for diseases, I worked manual labor my whole life, and life expectancy was hilariously low.

Deism I can understand. This theism business is a joke.

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Just 1 question for you, Aberforth:


What do you think of other religious that worship more than 1 god or goddess?

You know God said in some book "Whosoever comes to me, through whatsoever form, I reach him. All men are struggling through paths unknown which in the end lead to me."

So what about people who worship idols, not just any ordinary idols, but animal idols, female idols, etc. ? What about the Greek gods, and African religious practices?