Quoting Winston Churchill’s criticism of Islam contributes to U.K. politician’s arres

[Orignal Earl]

earl stfu. your constant trolling and thread derailment is unwanted and against forum rules.

Funny, I have never had a complaint, just from you

 

[Agent11]

The views expressed by Churchill should be taken for what they are, an expression of widely held thought during the age of British Empire; the United States had it's manifest destiny at one time as well.

Civilization was hewn from the wilds by men that believed in something greater than themselves, saw it grow and did not look favorably upon the uncivilized. In hindsight it may seem easy to discount their feelings but we did not toil and die to build this, we were born to enjoy it.

 

[Nebor]

The views expressed by Churchill should be taken for what they are, an expression of widely held thought during the age of British Empire; the United States had it's manifest destiny at one time as well.

Civilization was hewn from the wilds by men that believed in something greater than themselves, saw it grow and did not look favorably upon the uncivilized. In hindsight it may seem easy to discount their feelings but we did not toil and die to build this, we were born to enjoy it.

Well written. :thumbsup:

 

[Carson Dyle]

Churchill was a pretty vile racist. But he was spot-on about Islam.

 

[davmat787]

Churchill's quote isn't outrageous. It's the truth. As true today as when it was written.

Not only that, but it is simply an historical quote. To get into legal trouble for quoting something that is presumably historically accurate is beyond outrageous.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The views expressed by Churchill should be taken for what they are, an expression of widely held thought during the age of British Empire

Well, maybe in Britain
In the US things were different, don't forget your first treaty a hundred years before that

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Churchill had lot's to say about the US too

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

Even though we enjoy all the freedoms that have been long fought, there are lot's of people, even right here in this thread who would love to take them away, because they are scared of different people. We always have to keep an eye on these traitors and make sure their messages can be heard and then smacked down for the crap they are

 

[Agent11]

'From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marines'_Hymn

No one said Churchill was always right.

 

[Orignal Earl]

'From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marines'_Hymn

No one said Churchill was always right.

Let's not forget that other moment when Americans went to war against Americans for the freedoms you enjoy

 

[Orignal Earl]

No one said Churchill was always right.

Ya..that's the way it usually goes,when you start cherry picking you just can't get a clear picture

 

[TerryMathews]

Yes, child marriage is still common in lot's of developing areas of the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage

So what was the point of your quote? Or are you trying anything you can to derail?

Also some of these countries are thousands of years old. How much more time to they need to develop? And does this mean that Islam makes you developmentally handicapped?

 

[Orignal Earl]

So what was the point of your quote? Or are you trying anything you can to derail?

Also some of these countries are thousands of years old. How much more time to they need to develop? And does this mean that Islam makes you developmentally handicapped?

I always hope and think that given enough information, that some people will be able to go beyond their hate and see a bigger picture.
Like I want to say child marriage is a cultural thing and not a religious thing, but I've done that before and shown dozens of experts agreeing, but then I see the same people post the same crap a week later.

edit- My main point with it in this thread was trying to show that crazy stuff was common in them days

 

[Orignal Earl]

And does this mean that Islam makes you developmentally handicapped?

What do you mean by developmentally handicapped?
Do you think by now a country that is 90% desert should of come up with a way to turn that into gold by now?

 

[Incorruptible]

earl stfu. your constant trolling and thread derailment is unwanted and against forum rules.

All he does is troll. He didn't even criticize what happened because he doesn't believe in free speech.

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

All he does is troll. He didn't even criticize what happened because he doesn't believe in free speech.

All you do is troll you wortless piece of shit.

 

[CanOWorms]

I think the problem is more that the UK hasn't had an honest conversation on Churchill. He was probably one of the world's biggest war criminals, yet a large part of the population views him as a great hero. It's one of the factors causing the breakdown of British society and the arrest of this disgruntled man.

 

[Matt1970]

Ban this fuckface.

Someone with 124 posts is calling for people to be banned?

 

[Matt1970]

"Racial harassment?"

Wow. Sounds like the nanny state over there is what the totalitarian left over here (so far) only dreams about.

Remember, compared to them we are all a bunch of righties. I will take that as a compliment all day long.

 

[Agent11]

Earl I understand where you are coming from, I'm just not on the same wavelength. Since WWII and the fall of empire we have been trying to bend over backwards to be accommodating to the most backward of peoples, and we have left them in squalor in the process. It has not gone well. We took Iraq and Afghanistan and instead of occupying these countries and maintaining order we sang kumbaya and gave them their sovereignty back on a reckless timetable. They have suffered more than us because of this, but at least they had a moment of Democracy, right? Somalia would be another good example. Are the people of Somalia better off now than they were before WWII?

After WWII if we had done the same with the Germans and Japanese as we have done with Iraq and Afghanistan what would the world look like? I wouldn't want to know.

I think the problem is that modern western civilization has grown too soft. We are too far removed from the sacrifices that payed for our current excesses, and we are frankly somewhat deluded as to the nature of our relationship with non western countries, and the nature of war.

Islamic countries will always be at odds with western countries on fundamental levels; it is admirable that we have attempted to assimilate them, but I do not think it is fair to them or us.

 

[Incorruptible]

Someone with 124 posts is calling for people to be banned?

Some kind of alt account. This isn't the first the coward has done this. It looks like I must have hit a nerve and he is still upset that he got owned.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Earl I understand where you are coming from, I'm just not on the same wavelength. Since WWII and the fall of empire we have been trying to bend over backwards to be accommodating to the most backward of peoples, and we have left them in squalor in the process. It has not gone well. We took Iraq and Afghanistan and instead of occupying these countries and maintaining order we sang kumbaya and gave them their sovereignty back on a reckless timetable. They have suffered more than us because of this, but at least they had a moment of Democracy, right? Somalia would be another good example. Are the people of Somalia better off now than they were before WWII?

After WWII if we had done the same with the Germans and Japanese as we have done with Iraq and Afghanistan what would the world look like? I wouldn't want to know.

I think the problem is that modern western civilization has grown too soft. We are too far removed from the sacrifices that payed for our current excesses, and we are frankly somewhat deluded as to the nature of our relationship with non western countries, and the nature of war.

Islamic countries will always be at odds with western countries on fundamental levels; it is admirable that we have attempted to assimilate them, but I do not think it is fair to them or us.

I hear you and appreciate you at least trying to understand me
I got the granddaughter over now for the weekend and it's hard enough for me to do this internet typing even when I can give it my full attention
I'll get back to you at nap time if she don't make me go too

 

[Orignal Earl]

Islamic countries will always be at odds with western countries on fundamental levels; it is admirable that we have attempted to assimilate them, but I do not think it is fair to them or us.

Which countries have you attempted to assimilate? Why do you think you have a right to assimilate countries? Isn't that what a lot of people here fear is that Muslims are trying to change the way we live?
The most dangerous places on earth are all on this side of the pond, with several of them being American cities. Why would anyone want you changing their land to be more like yours?

 

[Agent11]

1) Royal we referring to western civilization in general. We tried colonizing them, we propped up dictators to serve our needs, and we tried immigration... In order for our peoples to better understand one another.

2) One thing history teaches is that might makes right. It helps if your altruism is based on rational thought rather than theology though, imo.

3) I would rather be mugged for my shoes than my entire family killed for their lack of faith.

In areas of the world that are over ran with medieval thought and actions we cannot play by the rules we have set for ourselves currently... If we are to give a thought to the outcome. Do you think that the status quo has been successful?

 

[Orignal Earl]

1) Royal we referring to western civilization in general. We tried colonizing them, we propped up dictators to serve our needs, and we tried immigration... In order for our peoples to better understand one another.

2) One thing history teaches is that might makes right. It helps if your altruism is based on rational thought rather than theology though, imo.

3) I would rather be mugged for my shoes than my entire family killed for their lack of faith.

In areas of the world that are over ran with medieval thought and actions we cannot play by the rules we have set for ourselves currently... If we are to give a thought to the outcome. Do you think that the status quo has been successful?

You mean you would rather your family be killed for their shoes rather then killed for their lack of faith right?
The fact that you ignored that, maybe part of you refuses to see that, you would rather focus on some dark corner of the earth
When you read about the US teaching Muslim kids how to be terrorists and religious fanatics, what thoughts go through your head. It was quite the kick in the nuts to me and I'm not even American

 

[TerryMathews]

What do you mean by developmentally handicapped?
Do you think by now a country that is 90% desert should of come up with a way to turn that into gold by now?

Well you implied that the age of consent was a measure of the development of a culture. Islam had been around as long as Christianity, so therefore by your logic it must be developmentally handicapped.

What does sand and gold have to do with morality and human rights?

 

[Agent11]

It is a little bit different when your enemy are thugs rather than the powers that be.

I do not support our current endeavors that are resulting in nothing but a cycle of hate. I would rather we use a more thoughtful solution that would be more beneficial in the end for all parties involved. A solution that is based in historical knowledge and military doctrine.