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HomerJS

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Really? You're handing me 5th grade example and suggesting I don't understand nuance? beloved patriot has always been offensive when discussing race, not so much when the topic is armor. Clearly use, intent, and context are critical. I assumed that most reasonably intelligent people would accept that as a given.
If you are claiming the "joke" by Chris Curtis wasn't racist, then you don't understand nuance. The completely disparate answer to the nips question shows he knew exactly what he was doing but didn't care.

My example was pretty close to the exchange on that radio show.
 
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pauldun170

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I can only imagine how conservatives and their apologist would have been like had the internet been as we know had been around in the 1970s.
Imagine this whole anti woke crusade would have been during the first sexual harassment cases.

Those guys were just being polite when they offered career advancement in exchange for blow jobs.

Maybe they were being polite when they said being gay sinful and they were being very polite by not murdering them in some far off remote location.

Maybe they were being polite when they told threw the resume with the black sounding name in the trash instead of holding an interview and wasting everyone's time ...
 

shortylickens

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It wouldn't have mattered much in the 70's.
The current trend of conservatives to be pure evil mostly started with Newt Gingrich in the early 90's and Rupert Murdoch took advantage of it in the mid 90's. When MOST conservatives did not know what the internet was and the rest simply didn't use it.
You guys may not remember this but right before the World Wide Web was launched, the Internet was predominantly used by sane level-headed mildly progressive people. And it was not filled with lies & propaganda.
 

MrSquished

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Really? You're handing me 5th grade example and suggesting I don't understand nuance? beloved patriot has always been offensive when discussing race, not so much when the topic is armor. Clearly use, intent, and context are critical. I assumed that most reasonably intelligent people would accept that as a given.
If he was trying to approach you with 5th grade logic, I'd say he is pretty off, because we all know that is too high for you
 

Zorba

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Yes, and for what it's worth Japan is still Nippon in Japanese, it's just one of those weird countries like Germany where we don't call them by what they refer to themselves as.
Considering Germany calls itself "Fatherland" I fully support calling them something else.
 

Vic

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.

The irony is that everything you said here is about your feels.

If people don't like your humor, they have a right to say so. If their speech hurts your feels, that's your fault.

If everyday activities actually are racist, then they should be re-evaluated as such, your feelings about change nonwithstanding.

When people denounce historical crimes committed by their own ethnicity, that does not mean they are denouncing their own ethnicity. Despite your feelings that might lead you to defend historical crimes committed by your own ethnicity.

When people choose not to purchase any company's products for any reason, that is their right as consumers in a free market. Your feelings do not require people to buy products they don't want from companies they don't like.

When you require that people live their own lives according to certain 'cultural norms,' as defined by you, you're doing that to protect your feelings. Because people doing things you consider 'different' makes you feel afraid.

When you assume you know more about a child's development than the child's doctor and parents, that as well is all about your feels.

What's 'inherently wrong' here is that you assume your feels are reality. Because you are right about one thing, reality always wins.
 
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Vic

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Back in my day we had this thing called "manners". It was a list of rules defining a condition referred to as "polite behavior". Many of us took it seriously.
So why are you today apologizing for bad manners and impolite behavior?

Telling racist and sexist jokes was always impolite.

Being openly disrespectful of others' personal choices was always bad manners.
As was telling other people how to raise their children.

But here you are, defending that behavior while deriding anyone who dares condemn your lack of manners as "woke."

And you think you deserve respect.. why?
 

Vic

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A lot of this is just conservatives either being too dumb to understand what words mean or willfully deciding to pretend to.

For example everyone knows what a woman is from a basis of sex, the question here is always one of gender. Conservatives pretend sex and gender are the same thing because either they can't open a dictionary or they choose to pretend they can't. (it's the latter)

Really though we all know the definition of 'woke', it means 'something conservatives don't like'. Just the other day they were denouncing 'woke' banks...lol.
A conservative is basically someone who, when presented with a highly complex problem that everyone cares about and is doing their best to find a viable solution for (such as homelessness or immigration) will come up with the simplest most obvious "solution" possible (such as "just enforce the law") and then declare themselves a genius. While accusing everyone else of being stupid or even an enemy of solution.
 
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Pohemi

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Woke is the recognition of systemic racism and it's effects.
Racism, bigotry and sexism, but yeah. Waking up to social injustices that do not affect you directly.
He gave the definition of the word as used originally AFAIK. It started among the African American community. It's come to encompass other systemic aspects as well. Of course for conservatives, 'woke' is anything they fear or just don't like. Like many other terms they've adopted, they've done their best to change (and muddy) the definition of the word as used.
 

JD50

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.

Summary: Society has changed and that scares me
 

Vic

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Summary: Society has changed and that scares me
And this is what it's really all about. The world is changing, the younger generations are changing to adapt to it, and conservatives are scared.
They want to go back to a time when racism and bigotry were more socially acceptable, when people did what they told and didn't ask too many questions, before science had completely disproven young earth creationism, and when they could more easily keep "undesirables" from having a say in their communities.
Conservatives are scared of competing in a world where they can't push other people down just for being born.
 
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shortylickens

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So he'd like you to believe.

His devil's advocating is really just him #bothsides'ing everything. Don't stare into his street lamps...they're gas-lit. ;)


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Pohemi

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I'm sorry I couldn't tell the difference between you being facetious and being a gas-lit fool. I guess I should recognize sarcasm better? Try to be more obvious...the stupid has surpassed satire in here.

Or were you just baiting someone so you could post that pic? lol.
 
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HomerJS

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A conservative is basically someone who, when presented with a highly complex problem that everyone cares about and is doing their best to find a viable solution for (such as homelessness or immigration) will come up with the simplest most obvious "solution" possible (such as "just enforce the law") and then declare themselves a genius. While accusing everyone else of being stupid or even an enemy of solution.

Unless they break the law then crime is cool
 
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DarthKyrie

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A lot of this is just conservatives either being too dumb to understand what words mean or willfully deciding to pretend to.

For example everyone knows what a woman is from a basis of sex, the question here is always one of gender. Conservatives pretend sex and gender are the same thing because either they can't open a dictionary or they choose to pretend they can't. (it's the latter)

Really though we all know the definition of 'woke', it means 'something conservatives don't like'. Just the other day they were denouncing 'woke' banks...lol.

They were complaining about woke banks because they saw the word diversity and immediately jumped to their racist instincts and decided that meant that the banks were lending to people of color no matter if they qualified for a loan, instead of the actual meaning when it comes to financial matters.