Quiz: Do you really know the meaning of woke? Real time.

HomerJS

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A little background, Mina Kimes and Jason Whitlock are both sports reporters. Jason Whitlock has taken the role of the Candace Owens of sports reporters when politics are the subject. Mina Kimes is Asian (you'll see later)

An unaffiliated radio show was discussing the phasing out of 7oz liquor containers known colloquially as "nips". Back in the day when those contained beer, we called them either nips or ponies. A host asked the others to, "name your favorite nip." People in the room started naming various liquors. When the question came to Chris Curtis he said, "Uh, I’d probably go Mina Kimes"

The twitter outrage started fairly quickly. Mina tried to blow it off. She probably doesn't want the controversy. Jason Whitlock accused Mina of trying to be a victim.

Mina Kimes Crushes Jason Whitlock After Ridiculous Take on Racial Slur (msn.com)


Question: At what point in this story does "woke" apply? Was it the knowledge that Chris Curtis made a racial slur against Mina Kimes. Was it the reaction to his slur? Should ESPN have taken no action? Was the punishment levied on Curtis, ESPN being "woke"?

Here is the reaction from ESPN
ESPN issued a statement denouncing the comment about Kimes, who is of Korean descent, later Wednesday. Curtis apologized for the comment Thursday and was handed a week-long suspension.

BTW - Chris Curtis is black. Who said black people were not capable of committing a racist act? I don't anything about Curtis's background so I characterize it as an act for now.
 

Greenman

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.
 

brycejones

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.
Well that's mighty white male of you.
 

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.

What a load of nonsense. I bet you are the kind of clown that snapped women’s bras in high school than is hurt when they get upset. It’s just a joke right. It is everyday activity. or better yet I am sure eliminating the everyday activities of Jim Crow’s laws is woke to you too. every accusation is a confession. Or stopping husbands from beating their wives or girlfriends is woke as that was an “everyday” activity.

you seem to think you have the right to cancel another group‘s right to cancel which is hilarious and by your definition you are the most WOKE of us all
 

Greenman

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What a load of nonsense. I bet you are the kind of clown that snapped women’s bras in high school than is hurt when they get upset. It’s just a joke right. It is everyday activity. or better yet I am sure eliminating the everyday activities of Jim Crow’s laws is woke to you too. every accusation is a confession. Or stopping husbands from beating their wives or girlfriends is woke as that was an “everyday” activity.

you seem to think you have the right to cancel another group‘s right to cancel which is hilarious and by your definition you are the most WOKE of us all
Back in my day we had this thing called "manners". It was a list of rules defining a condition referred to as "polite behavior". Many of us took it seriously.
 
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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.
So when fundies get bent out of shape over religious humor that is woke now?
Yeah, it's bullshit that people find having slaves pick cotton is racist, that was an everyday activity for most of American history.
Who is denouncing their own ethnicity? What does this even mean? I think you are basically say "If a white person says white people did something wrong, it's woke!"
Name the company and situation. But if some company has a klan member on it, and refuses to change it, people have the right to not buy that product. Also was it woke when the right wingers went after the Coppertone baby?
Let's hear your definition of woman, I'm guessing you can't clearly define it for all situations either, even if we completely ignore trans people.
People have been messing with their kid chemically for sports for at least 100 years. Girls have been giving puberty blockers since the 1980s. Mostly because parents didn't want thier "little girls" to be "sexualized" by nature.

I'm guessing you don't see that you feel the way you do because of your feelings. A company logo has absolutely no bearing on anything other than your feelings.
 

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Question: At what point in this story does "woke" apply? Was it the knowledge that Chris Curtis made a racial slur against Mina Kimes. Was it the reaction to his slur? Should ESPN have taken no action? Was the punishment levied on Curtis, ESPN being "woke"?

None of the above.

Quiz: Do you really know the meaning of woke? Real time.

Ever has it been, that reality is in the eye of the beholder. Perception defines reality. Because while there is something definitively objective, people's experiences and thoughts are subjective. And we can only experience things in our own mind's eye. Which is a whole lot of words to say... people make shit up. Always have. Always will.

To take it further, people cling to faith before all else. The reality you know means nothing to others. You may imagine the meaning of a word belongs to those who used it first. But that would only apply to those who respect the original users. Do not pretend that Republicans would respect that group. No, if negative connotation can be attached to something, they will slather it up with their own !@#$ and fling it around like monkeys in the zoo.

Stereotyping and group-think are our modus operandi. It's what humans do.

So woke has gone from some ethnic slang on systemic racism and white privilege, to just another word for those damn dirty Liberals.
I am probably "woke" for not wanting people to toil their lives away in slave wages at the behest of their corporate master. How dare I not vote Republican, so woke, so evil.
 
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Zorba

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It's a old term people of Japanese origin. From Nippon which was old term for Japan.
Interesting, don't think I've ever heard it and if I did I definitely wouldn't associate it with Japanese people. But we have few Asians around here, so I don't think I am exposed to nearly as much asian racism as I am for blacks and hispanics.
 
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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.
A lot of this is just conservatives either being too dumb to understand what words mean or willfully deciding to pretend to.

For example everyone knows what a woman is from a basis of sex, the question here is always one of gender. Conservatives pretend sex and gender are the same thing because either they can't open a dictionary or they choose to pretend they can't. (it's the latter)

Really though we all know the definition of 'woke', it means 'something conservatives don't like'. Just the other day they were denouncing 'woke' banks...lol.
 

HomerJS

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.
Do you realize none of those are the original definition of woke? Do facts matter to you?
 

HomerJS

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.
I will make some effort trying to explain it to you. Philadelphia used to have a steak shop called Chinks. If I were being interviewed for a news story and was asked, "What did you like about Chinks?" and my response was, "I like that they hired a bunch of then for the movie "Enter the Dragon".

Sounds pretty racist to me but I could just say, it was a joke. The people who are woke are the ones that recognize I was being racist. Now in the context of stand up comedy it might not be racist. It's called nuance. You need to learn it.
 

brycejones

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Interesting, don't think I've ever heard it and if I did I definitely wouldn't associate it with Japanese people. But we have few Asians around here, so I don't think I am exposed to nearly as much asian racism as I am for blacks and hispanics.

I'm not sure it's been commonly used since before the boomers. My grandfather used it and other even less savory terms.
 
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Back in my day we had this thing called "manners". It was a list of rules defining a condition referred to as "polite behavior". Many of us took it seriously.
Riiight. You so woke you make Goebbels look sleepy. Also, by your definition, having good manners is WOKE because good manners dictate not being racist or supporting racist companies … right?
 

BoomerD

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Yes, and for what it's worth Japan is still Nippon in Japanese, it's just one of those weird countries like Germany where we don't call them by what they refer to themselves as.

Agreed. Nippon...Nipponese.

Deutsch sounds too much like "Dutch" which is why, even though the immigrants were mostly Germanic, we ended up with "Pennsylvania Dutch" instead of "Pennsylvania Deutsch."
 

Greenman

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I will make some effort trying to explain it to you. Philadelphia used to have a steak shop called Chinks. If I were being interviewed for a news story and was asked, "What did you like about Chinks?" and my response was, "I like that they hired a bunch of then for the movie "Enter the Dragon".

Sounds pretty racist to me but I could just say, it was a joke. The people who are woke are the ones that recognize I was being racist. Now in the context of stand up comedy it might not be racist. It's called nuance. You need to learn it.
Really? You're handing me 5th grade example and suggesting I don't understand nuance? beloved patriot has always been offensive when discussing race, not so much when the topic is armor. Clearly use, intent, and context are critical. I assumed that most reasonably intelligent people would accept that as a given.
 

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When humor is met with outrage, it's woke.
When everyday activities or things are redefined as racist, it's woke.
When people denounce their own ethnicity because of historical crimes, it's woke.
When a company is canceled because of their label from a hundred years ago, it's woke.
When you can't define what a woman is, it's woke.
When you chemically retard your child's development, it's woke.
Is there anything inherently wrong with any of these things? I'm not sure. It seems to me that it's a clash between feelings and reality, because of how my mind works, reality always wins.

 
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shortylickens

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I will make some effort trying to explain it to you. Philadelphia used to have a steak shop called Chinks. If I were being interviewed for a news story and was asked, "What did you like about Chinks?" and my response was, "I like that they hired a bunch of then for the movie "Enter the Dragon".

Sounds pretty racist to me but I could just say, it was a joke. The people who are woke are the ones that recognize I was being racist. Now in the context of stand up comedy it might not be racist. It's called nuance. You need to learn it.
Yeah people love to shit all over Dave Chappelle but he really is just trying to be funny.
He's not murdering transexuals in the streets, he's not beating gay men with golf clubs. He isnt a member of any domestic terrorist organizations. He's just trying to make a point and also make people laugh.