Quick Poll: Should Trump be Impeached?

[imported_tajmahal]

On the ‘actual legal proof’ scale where do you consider sworn statements by his personal lawyer that he directed him to make illegal payments to multiple women along with recordings to back it up that show Trump was lying about his denials?

I'm not sure, every time i've ever told my lawyer to take illegal actions he's always told me "NO!" , but i'm sure it was different this time.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Another term for "unindicted co-conspirator" is "an innocent person" Until and unless they are charged and been found guilty of a crime, they're innocent. Sorry folks, but that's the way our system of justice works.

So indict him and try him or impeach him and try him, but until then, he's innocent.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Which is why a conviction in the Senate is needed as well, in order to avoid the dilemma I just posed.

Yep, by 67 Senators. Good luck with that.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not sure, every time i've ever told my lawyer to take illegal actions he's always told me "NO!" , but i'm sure it was different this time.

That's true it was definitely different this time as evidenced by the tape recording of Trump and Cohen discussing how the payment was to be made.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That's true it was definitely different this time as evidenced by the tape recording of Trump and Cohen discussing how the payment was to be made.

I heard it and nothing that was said by President Trump was illegal. Try another lie.

 

[BurnItDwn]

People thinking Pence will be worse... are you appreciating where things are right now?

I'm baffled. Are you worried about the construction of an actual Thunderdome?

I think trump is mostly a full of shit blowhard moron, I think he is incompetent. He is a puppet more or less.
I believe pence is a vile, wretched and truly evil person. I think he will tone down the rhetoric, and he will work with the republican dominated congress and republican dominated senate to fuck over american workers at every opportunity.

 

[zinfamous]

People thinking Pence will be worse... are you appreciating where things are right now?

I'm baffled. Are you worried about the construction of an actual Thunderdome?

Trump isn't getting anything done, at least, so there is that. Pence would have the will of the GOP Congress behind him. There are enough GOP Senators that have been voting against Trump...like 2, but that's all that is needed...to keep Trump relatively ineffective.

One thing I don't get about media reporting, is that with all of the nonsense that Trump/Pruitt EPA has done, none of it will ever be actual policy. With all of these egregious acts and attempts to erase EPA regulations, it's only seldom explained to the public that these actions require trials, and an actual evidence-based approach where the feds have to make their case that the deplorable science of Trumpers is more valid than actual science. It works for the base, because he says a horrible thing and that a horrible thing is done and he is winning!, but the reality is that overturning EPA policy like Trump/Pruitt have tried to do actually takes years, and it requires a preponderance of actual data to support their unsupportable claims.

But in some ways, significant damage is done, because Trumptardia believes that these things have happened to poison the water that they want poisoned and the air has been made patriotically unbreathable again, because MAGA!

 

[fskimospy]

I heard it and nothing that was said by President Trump was illegal. Try another lie.

lol.

 

[manly]

Not sure if it's in this thread, but NYT had a good article on this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/us/politics/offense-impeachable-constitution.html

Apologies for their pay wall, use anonymous browsing.

As for me, it's pointless to impeach with no chance of conviction. Politically, control of Congress is clearly a factor, but more critically would be how many smoking guns are discovered. I have no reason to doubt that DJT is an unindicted co-conspirator to serious campaign finance violations that likely swung the election. But unfortunately that's not nearly enough to get him convicted in the current environment.

Also as others have mentioned, and has been stated many times before, Pence might be a more effective POTUS (if the GOP doesn't lose control of Congress). By effective, I mean successfully works with Congress to implement a shitty agenda. Can we say with much conviction whether Trump or Pence is "better" for the country?

 

[Viper1j]

Yep, by 67 Senators. Good luck with that.

Dems will do what the republicants did. Use the "nuclear option", and change the rules so only need 51 to convict.

 

[fskimospy]

Not sure if it's in this thread, but NYT had a good article on this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/us/politics/offense-impeachable-constitution.html

Apologies for their pay wall, use anonymous browsing.

As for me, it's pointless to impeach with no chance of conviction. Politically, control of Congress is clearly a factor, but more critically would be how many smoking guns are discovered. I have no reason to doubt that DJT is an unindicted co-conspirator to serious campaign finance violations that likely swung the election. But unfortunately that's not nearly enough to get him convicted in the current environment.

Also as others have mentioned, and has been stated many times before, Pence might be a more effective POTUS (if the GOP doesn't lose control of Congress). By effective, I mean successfully works with Congress to implement a shitty agenda. Can we say with much conviction whether Trump or Pence is "better" for the country?

I agree that it's best to wait until after the midterms because if the Democrats get subpoena power they will likely be able to subpoena the hell out of Trump and his businesses. I suspect the amount of dirt they will find could make Trump's position untenable.

As far as Pence goes we've survived shitty presidents with shitty agendas before. (See Bush, George W.) Trump is working to undermine the rule of law and the basic foundations of our country. I'll trade shitty policy to get rid of that.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Dems will do what the republicants did. Use the "nuclear option", and change the rules so only need 51 to convict.

Like I said, good luck with changing the Constitution. It's not a Senate rule btw, but i don't think you realize it.

 

[sportage]

Impeachment and removal from office are two different things.
Absolutely, the house and senate should impeach and conduct their trial simply to determine if what Trump has done is criminal. And warrants removal.
Just as with Bill Clinton, impeachment is just a court trial per se by the congress.
When on trial, the individual can be found guilty as well as found not guilty.
But damn straight.... there is absolutely enough evidence to impeach Donald Trump.
And hold trial.
That doesn't mean Trump would be found guilty "and" removed from office.
Trump could be found not guilty, or found guilty and the criminal accusations determined as credible, but not worthy of removal from office.
Also.... Donald Trump COULD simply fall to his knees, and cry like the big insecure baby he is, then beg for forgiveness.
THAT might do it?
After all, who does not like watching a baby cry?
Even a bad baby crying we tend to feel sorry for.

Being impeached is not necessary the end for this big baby. Sorry....
Remember, Bill Clinton survived impeachment.

 

[HomerJS]

Like I said, good luck with changing the Constitution. It's not a Senate rule btw, but i don't think you realize it.

Senate won't have to get 67 votes in the Senate. The hearing/subpoenas in the House and the trial in the Senate will leave Trump's body a bloody mangled carcass. Completely neutered. Same for republicans. Pence will pardon him which makes him toast for 2020.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Senate won't have to get 67 votes in the Senate. The hearing/subpoenas in the House and the trial in the Senate will leave Trump's body a bloody mangled carcass. Completely neutered. Same for republicans. Pence will pardon him which makes him toast for 2020.

Yeah, i'm sure he'll be so ashamed he'll resign so Pence becomes President. That is what you're saying right?
Since he isn't going to get 67 votes to convict him in the Senate.

 

[jackstar7]

I think trump is mostly a full of shit blowhard moron, I think he is incompetent. He is a puppet more or less.
I believe pence is a vile, wretched and truly evil person. I think he will tone down the rhetoric, and he will work with the republican dominated congress and republican dominated senate to fuck over american workers at every opportunity.

Trump isn't getting anything done, at least, so there is that. Pence would have the will of the GOP Congress behind him. There are enough GOP Senators that have been voting against Trump...like 2, but that's all that is needed...to keep Trump relatively ineffective.

One thing I don't get about media reporting, is that with all of the nonsense that Trump/Pruitt EPA has done, none of it will ever be actual policy. With all of these egregious acts and attempts to erase EPA regulations, it's only seldom explained to the public that these actions require trials, and an actual evidence-based approach where the feds have to make their case that the deplorable science of Trumpers is more valid than actual science. It works for the base, because he says a horrible thing and that a horrible thing is done and he is winning!, but the reality is that overturning EPA policy like Trump/Pruitt have tried to do actually takes years, and it requires a preponderance of actual data to support their unsupportable claims.

But in some ways, significant damage is done, because Trumptardia believes that these things have happened to poison the water that they want poisoned and the air has been made patriotically unbreathable again, because MAGA!

I raise you children being kept in cages and physically and sexually abused.

I mean... are we just talking about privilege here?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I raise you children being kept in cages and physically and sexually abused.

I mean... are we just talking about privilege here?

Why bring it up, Obama isn't the President any longer.

https://www.gop.com/mcclatchy-yes-obama-separated-families-at-the-border-too/
https://www.apnews.com/26b88518310f47018b724e200b28e88f

"By 2014, President Barack Obama was facing an influx of both children traveling alone and families as a result of violence in Central America. At one point, his administration tried housing the families in special detention centers. But after a federal judge in California ruled the arrangement violated a long-standing agreement barring kids from jail-like settings, even with their parents, the government began releasing families in to the U.S. pending notification of their next court date."

 

[jackstar7]

Why bring it up, Obama isn't the President any longer.

I'm impressed you can type all that with your head so far up your own ass.

Hey, dumbnuts, Obama wasn't president in 2018, when this shit happened:
https://www.thenation.com/article/six-year-old-girl-sexually-abused-immigrant-detention-center/

But since I know you won't read, I'll just let you know you can go fuck yourself.

 

[Younigue]

I'm impressed you can type all that with your head so far up your own ass.

Hey, dumbnuts, Obama wasn't president in 2018, when this shit happened:
https://www.thenation.com/article/six-year-old-girl-sexually-abused-immigrant-detention-center/

But since I know you won't read, I'll just let you know you can go fuck yourself.

Taj does all his living with his head that far up his ass. I think he thinks he's impressing people.

 

[Vic]

It's disturbing IMO that Trump and Giulani are recklessly saying that a Trump impeachment would crash the markets or cause a revolt. Just irresponsible, as always.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm not sure, every time i've ever told my lawyer to take illegal actions he's always told me "NO!" , but i'm sure it was different this time.

It worked for the Gambino and Gotti families! Oh no it didn't

 

[SMOGZINN]

Yeah, i'm sure he'll be so ashamed he'll resign so Pence becomes President. That is what you're saying right?
Since he isn't going to get 67 votes to convict him in the Senate.

I think that if Congress airs all of Trump's dirty laundry there will be more than enough to impeach. I'm betting that if just his tax returns were made public enough Republicans would turn on him to make the super majority. I'm betting that when Mueller releases his recommendations to Congress we will get 90+ votes to impeach. In the end when the writing is on the wall and all the dirt is aired out and there is no hiding behind Fox propaganda the Republicans will be falling all over themselves to tell us how they never really liked Trump and always suspected something was wrong.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm impressed you can type all that with your head so far up your own ass.

Hey, dumbnuts, Obama wasn't president in 2018, when this shit happened:
https://www.thenation.com/article/six-year-old-girl-sexually-abused-immigrant-detention-center/

But since I know you won't read, I'll just let you know you can go fuck yourself.

He was between 2009 and 2014.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obta...-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

 

[jackstar7]

He was between 2009 and 2014.

https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obta...-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody

This is all true and abhorrent, but the reality is that Obama ain't president anymore, so any pointing of fingers at him now is just disingenuous.

 

[feralkid]

I really don't really care, as long as whomever replaces him keeps up the pressure on trade but I think voting him out in 2020 is a much better option.

And the possible consequences of having him forcibly removed from office could be horrific somewhere own the line. You might anger a very volatile folk beyond repair.

So...a call for appeasement?

How cowardly.