irishScott
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I see it as the most likely option. Until science proves otherwise, I'll maintain that belief.
When we don't know anything, then all possible answers are equal in probability.
I see it as the most likely option. Until science proves otherwise, I'll maintain that belief.
When we don't know anything, then all possible answers are equal in probability.
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Nik
Thank you for proving KB's point that religious nutjobs will say anything to continue following their faith blindly.
Think about it. How many atheists would also be skeptical of an alien spacecraft and aliens? Some people you know, even? Maybe not as many as those who claim to be religious, but a large number, I am sure. Despire the statements of people that there "must" be intelligent life on other planets due to the vast amount of time and space in the universe, there is not a single shred of evidence that shows otherwise. So yes, I think there will be "religious nutjobs" like myself, as well as atheists, agnostics, and any other classification you can think of, that deny any such appearing as being a true extraterrestrial visitation.
Can I ask where your shred of evidence is for "God"?
And may I ask what type of evidence would you be willing to accept? Any evidence that I did offer, you would dismiss out of hand, I am sure. If God wrote his name in the cosmos with stars (not that I think He would be so ostentatious as to literally do such a thing), I am sure people would be able to reason that away. I think that the heavens declare the glory of God, and that nature itself speaks to His existence. But what would it take to prove God's existence to you?
The same way it takes to prove anything to me, which is proof and evidence. If "God" wrote his names out in the stars, I would have a high probability of believing in "God". What I want for proof is very open ended. I believe in gravity even though I can't feel, touch, hold, see it. The reason for this is because I can perform tests that provide evidence that gravity exists. If I drop an object it will always fall toward the center of the Earth. If "God" provided me with something that would allow me to perform experiments that give the same result, I would believe in "God". Your proof is Nature and the Heavens. Mine needs to be more tangible.
I have never seen, heard, or felt the Big Bang. I still believe it happened, because of the supporting evidence (universe expanding, cosmic radiation, etc). If "God" provided me with evidence that showed His existence, I have no problems believing in "God". I personally do not have that evidence yet.
Bingo. If you choose to reject God because you reject faith that is fine but if you somehow claim to logically reject God it just proves your idiocy because like I stated before it's based on choice and faith not logic.
Then can you answer the OP? If aliens landed today, would religious texts/doctrine change and if it would how would it?
Jeff7
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Exactly. And as for "how" the laws of physics came to be, are you (irishscott) asking why they came to be?
I don't think there really is a "why." We can explain the mechanism behind them, such as that moving electrons are responsible for electricity. Other than that, there is no "why." When you push on a ball, why does it roll? Shouldn't it instead change color and turn into a butterfly?
It rolls because that's simply what it does. There is no real "why" about it. The Universe simply happens to have certain properties. We quantify what we see, and categorize it. As So said, that, to us, is "order."
You can do this yourself on a day with some clouds. Look for shapes that are familiar. Rabbits? People? Cars? They aren't really there, they just look like familiar things.
Or draw a bunch of dots in a line. Is there really a line on the paper? No, it's just a bunch of dots. But you can "see" a line on the paper, because your mind is good at finding patterns, most likely, originally, as a survival tactic.
We look at what's in the Universe, and we want to quantify it. We use the language of mathematics as a way of predictably and repeatably describing what we see. This is what we call "order."
So it's equally likely that my pet ball python created the Universe, as it is that God did it? I mean, since we don't know anything, it's just as likely? Or maybe my right pinky's fingernail is actually intelligent, and it created the antimatter half of the Universe, but my thumbnail, being larger, created matter, and more of it. Thus we have matter today, and not antimatter.
MagnusTheBrewer
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Originally posted by: irishScott
How does this require religion?
Common sense != logic and reason alone. I know many religious people with a good dose of common sense. I was brought up on the Berstein Bears, Little Red Riding Hood, Good Night Moon, 3 Little Pigs etc. Went to church regularly, but even then I never really got into it. I thought the Bible was a boring book.
Also, I know from first-hand experience how dangerous a binary thought system can be. Fucked up most of my high school life (depression and such).
Point is, I actually admire and agree with most Christian values, but I'm living proof that you don't need the Christianity to back it.
Religion isn't necessary. God never said it was. Religion is for sharing brotherhood, not the only path to God.
Common sense does not equal logic and reason alone in fact, logic and reason have very little to do with "common sense." That is the point I was trying to make.
Raising you kids to have common sense is a good thing as long as they understand what is 'common' only exists for roughly a hundred mile diameter from where you grew up.
Yes, let's move on to eugenics. Let's get rid of the weak and sick, they are merely costs to society.
Do you think belief in God is about praying at night that you win the lottery? I can already tell you have no understanding of God and faith and you just repeat typical smarter than thou I know what I know from what I saw on TV it's cool to make fun of religious people mantra.
daniel1113
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Originally posted by: dNor
That'd be nice but sadly it's as much of a fantasy as magic men in the sky
:laugh:
irishScott
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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: irishScott
How does this require religion?
Common sense != logic and reason alone. I know many religious people with a good dose of common sense. I was brought up on the Berstein Bears, Little Red Riding Hood, Good Night Moon, 3 Little Pigs etc. Went to church regularly, but even then I never really got into it. I thought the Bible was a boring book.
Also, I know from first-hand experience how dangerous a binary thought system can be. Fucked up most of my high school life (depression and such).
Point is, I actually admire and agree with most Christian values, but I'm living proof that you don't need the Christianity to back it.
Religion isn't necessary. God never said it was. Religion is for sharing brotherhood, not the only path to God.
Common sense does not equal logic and reason alone in fact, logic and reason have very little to do with "common sense." That is the point I was trying to make.
Raising you kids to have common sense is a good thing as long as they understand what is 'common' only exists for roughly a hundred mile diameter from where you grew up.
That could be debated, but that's for another thread. I'd like to think general common sense at least extends to Europe and Australia.
What am I agreeing/disagreeing with? Selective clips from a Jesus Camp and not one thing about the substance of what they are teaching there.
If you were born in Saudi Arabia, you would think that Allah is the one true god, just as strongly as you do the Xtian god. If you were born in India, you would probably be Hindu, and swear off all other faiths.
It all comes down to the lottery of who gets to indoctrinate you with BS first.
irishScott
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How so? You can't logically draw a parallel between two separate issues. It's like saying the sky is blue, the ocean is blue, therefore the grass should be blue.
Do you believe what you see in those clips is child abuse?
Do you believe the little muslim kids with fake suicide belts as toys is an example of child abuse?
I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about God. Regardless your statement would hold water if all people kept the religion they were born into. As you very well know people change religions.
The clips don't show details of exactly what they are teaching. I do know that in Muslim camps they teach to hate and kill Jews and Christians. They say they are pigs that should be slaughtered. No camp that teaches what Jesus teaches would be even close to that. Are they teaching children to repent their sins? Are they teaching Jesus' greatest commandment of all?
If they are teaching about love, respect, forgiveness, which is what Jesus taught, then no it's not child abuse. If they are teaching to kill Jews and bomb children, then yes it's child abuse.
It's also what I said about flying monkeys with rocket launchers appearing over a giant cloud of marshmallows in NYC, while simultaneously leprechauns are handing out gold coins and Lucky Charms to every man, woman, and child in America. I'm still waiting on that one.
FeuerFrei
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Well it wouldn't be that big of a deal doctrine-wise. There is no Biblical passage saying life is limited to earth. The fact would still remain that the earth is uniquely suited to human life. No Christian doubts God could create aliens if he chose.
The uniqueness principle which may be taught is more of an inference from the Bible's silence on any other creatures outside Earth. Plus the fact that Jesus' death paid for an infinite amount of sin, means that any sinful inhabitants of other worlds would be unaware of Christ's sacrifice here on Earth. And Christ would ostensibly have to die on each other planet in redundant and superfluous events just to give the 'aliens' a heads up on the divine sacrifice.
The Pope is powerless and irrelevant. There is no earthly head of the church. Christ is the head and he's no longer residing here. The Pope's existence is unbiblical and why Catholics persist in appointing one is basically tradition and pretty much heretical.
It's scary that you think sending kids to learn to be respectful of others is scary.
Scary. You scare me. Either that or you were intellectually defeated and gave up.
daniel1113
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What about teaching kids to ignore scientific progress in favor of ideas like creationism? Every youth group I attended as a teenager was vehemently against topics like evolution and even went so far as to congratulate students that spoke out against evolution in biology class and other academic arenas. Are such levels of intellectual dishonesty a form of child abuse?
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