Question for Muslims...

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster
why is moeen allowed in the U.S?

someone call the govt. and get him out of here.

Hes in Canada. A safe haven for terrorists from all over the world.

Im not calling him a terrorist, just saying that hes in Canada. I would guess if his parents found out some of the statements he makes, he would be in deep trouble. I think thats enough punishment.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: magomago
By the way, you should notice how this thread is a perfect example of how your tactics do not work at ALL. You have raildogg here telling God to "bless Theo" even though he was an aethist, and he speaks like Van Gogh was telling the truth...

Really...now does your method work?

BTW, I'm going to PM you this so you read it for sure later just incase you really did go to bed

What is true or what is not true is your opinion. I don't care if he was a muslim, atheist, hindu or whatever. He was killed because he criticized elements within Islam. God bless him.

I know you're a muslim but my point is that people like Osama and mOeeOm are trying to hijack your religion. It is up to you to try to set these nutcases aside and let the rest of the world know you're not on their side. Its not Islam that makes these people kill innocent people, its their political agenda. They use Islam as a scapegoat.

I can publish a movie about a lie, and it is a lie...PERIOD. Van Gogh's movie falsely blamed the problems on Islam, and made false statements that are not true at all. This is not "but in MYYYYY opinioin" type of truth~ they were false PERIOD. 1+1 does not equal 3 not matter how you spin it.

Van Gogh had criticisms for sure...but they were not even true.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: magomago
By the way, you should notice how this thread is a perfect example of how your tactics do not work at ALL. You have raildogg here telling God to "bless Theo" even though he was an aethist, and he speaks like Van Gogh was telling the truth...

Really...now does your method work?

BTW, I'm going to PM you this so you read it for sure later just incase you really did go to bed

What is true or what is not true is your opinion. I don't care if he was a muslim, atheist, hindu or whatever. He was killed because he criticized elements within Islam. God bless him.

I know you're a muslim but my point is that people like Osama and mOeeOm are trying to hijack your religion. It is up to you to try to set these nutcases aside and let the rest of the world know you're not on their side. Its not Islam that makes these people kill innocent people, its their political agenda. They use Islam as a scapegoat.

I can publish a movie about a lie, and it is a lie...PERIOD. Van Gogh's movie inaccurately blamed the problems on Islam, and made false statement that are not true at all. This is not "but in MYYYYY opinioin" type of truth~ they were false PERIOD. 1+1 does not equal 3 not matter how you spin it.

Van Gogh had criticisms for sure...but they were not even true.

Members of the Islamic community should then have stood up and refuted the claims made in the film, and done so in a manner of intelligent discourse. I wonder if this even happened?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I am sure that it happened in some places.

What lies did Theo Van Gogh have in his movie? My perception of it was that it was criticizing the culture and its manipulation of the religion.

 

[Aimster]

Muslims in Europe are not like Muslims in the U.S

It seems the Muslims in the U.S are intelligent and mind their own business.

The ones in Europe have Mcdonalds type jobs. Not that there is anything wrong with that....

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: magomago
By the way, you should notice how this thread is a perfect example of how your tactics do not work at ALL. You have raildogg here telling God to "bless Theo" even though he was an aethist, and he speaks like Van Gogh was telling the truth...

Really...now does your method work?

BTW, I'm going to PM you this so you read it for sure later just incase you really did go to bed

What is true or what is not true is your opinion. I don't care if he was a muslim, atheist, hindu or whatever. He was killed because he criticized elements within Islam. God bless him.

I know you're a muslim but my point is that people like Osama and mOeeOm are trying to hijack your religion. It is up to you to try to set these nutcases aside and let the rest of the world know you're not on their side. Its not Islam that makes these people kill innocent people, its their political agenda. They use Islam as a scapegoat.

I can publish a movie about a lie, and it is a lie...PERIOD. Van Gogh's movie falsely blamed the problems on Islam, and made false statements that are not true at all. This is not "but in MYYYYY opinioin" type of truth~ they were false PERIOD. 1+1 does not equal 3 not matter how you spin it.

Van Gogh had criticisms for sure...but they were not even true.

I don't think it's as simple as that. His film was about a theory and you could have facts for and against it. It's not "a lie...PERIOD."

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I am sure that it happened in some places.

What lies did Theo Van Gogh have in his movie? My perception of it was that it was criticizing the culture and its manipulation of the religion.

He blames the reason why men act abusive to woman is because of Islam. The writing on Islamic verses on a woman's beaten back, women saying things such as "My husband beats me every night which i do not like, but because you say he controls me I thank you for every punch"...the list goes on. It falsely twists Quranic verses (and tweaks the translation slightly...and normally I don't see the problem since I can think of three Qurans translated each in english in his own way, but I doubt he is looking for linguistic objectivity) by taking them out of context so their real meaning can be understood, and it apparantly ignores it all.
Even the simplest things he lies abouts!!! NOTHING in Islam forces a daughter into marraige, and she herself has to consent to it!

He wants to bash on the immigrant culture that doesn't give woman freedom? That is fine and I'll applaud him. But he wants to say men are abusive BECAUSE of Islam...that is where he starts to spout bs.

Aimster. Arabs in the USA are "more intelligent" because those who come here usually have the MEANS to come because they have money and an eduction. The average income for Arabs is something liek 60-70K in the USA. But those in Europe are poor immigrants and refugees, they do not have the means that we do.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Even the simplest things he lies abouts!!! NOTHING in Islam forces a daughter into marraige, and she herself has to consent to it!

He wants to bash on the immigrant culture that doesn't give woman freedom? That is fine and I'll applaud him. But he wants to say men are abusive BECAUSE of Islam...that is where he starts to spout bs.

I don't think that you get his point or really what I got out of his film. He may be saying that Islam is making these men abusive, but it is because of a perversion of Islam itself. His film was not really automatically a lie. The same goes for the forced marriage - I don't see where he said that forced marriage is inherently a part of Islam, but how these people take the religion (not the religion in its pure form)+culture.

Now it has been some time since I've seen the short film, but I definitely did not come to the same conclusions as you did. That's the point of some film. The fact that you are outright automatically stating that it is a lie is wrong.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

I don't think it's as simple as that. His film was about a theory and you could have facts for and against it. It's not "a lie...PERIOD."

Okay. His theory is false, and is based on twisting of facts and laying blame on religion! FIND in Islam where it says that a man's brother can rape his dauther!


That and it isn't like Van Gogh wanted to bring a real issue to talk about...Van Gogh, as I just checked on wikipedia, apparantly has a anti-Muslim history calling them "goat fckers" so I think it is a strech to assume that he would not lie through his teeth...

and lie ABOUT THE RELIGION he did.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: magomago

Okay. His theory is false, and is based on twisting of facts and laying blame on religion! FIND in Islam where it says that a man's brother can rape his dauther!


That and it isn't like Van Gogh wanted to bring a real issue to talk about...Van Gogh, as I just checked on wikipedia, apparantly has a anti-Muslim history calling them "goat fckers" so I think it is a strech to assume that he would not lie through his teeth...

and lie ABOUT THE RELIGION he did.

You believe his theory is false, others believe it to be true. I certainly feel that religion has influenced man in some respects and it could be possible that some men beat their wives because of the way they interpret things in Islam. It's the same as abortion clinic bombers doing their work because of the way they interpret things.

Yes, Van Gogh was a moron. Too bad this moron is considered a hero of free speech. I believe the "goat-fvckers" thing comes from an Iranian cleric who writes that Islam allows bestiality.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: magomago
That and it isn't like Van Gogh wanted to bring a real issue to talk about...Van Gogh, as I just checked on wikipedia, apparantly has a anti-Muslim history calling them "goat fckers" so I think it is a strech to assume that he would not lie through his teeth...

and lie ABOUT THE RELIGION he did.

I'm pretty sure that Theo Van Gogh was anti-every religion.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Even the simplest things he lies abouts!!! NOTHING in Islam forces a daughter into marraige, and she herself has to consent to it!

He wants to bash on the immigrant culture that doesn't give woman freedom? That is fine and I'll applaud him. But he wants to say men are abusive BECAUSE of Islam...that is where he starts to spout bs.

I don't think that you get his point or really what I got out of his film. He may be saying that Islam is making these men abusive, but it is because of a perversion of Islam itself. His film was not really automatically a lie.

We may get different interpretations from it, but ultimately he lays the blame on the religion. He doesn't bring up the culture at all, he doesn't point out that the religion is not conected with the culture in any way. He sits there and blunty has a woman stating that their husbands are extremely abusive, and she is glad because god will it so. He states that brothers can rape eachother's daughters, but makes no MENTION of the religion completely opposed to it~ rather the "religion is silent, as if there is no problem with what is going on"

There is a cultural problem for sure in the Middleast when it comes to treatment of woman. In some places, it is not worse off than the cases of wifebeating in the here. In other cases, like the girl in the movie, it is a huge problem.
But that is not the religions fault, that is not something that Islam preaches to the LEAST.

Anyways...I'm tied and I need sleep now

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: magomago
That and it isn't like Van Gogh wanted to bring a real issue to talk about...Van Gogh, as I just checked on wikipedia, apparantly has a anti-Muslim history calling them "goat fckers" so I think it is a strech to assume that he would not lie through his teeth...

and lie ABOUT THE RELIGION he did.

I'm pretty sure that Theo Van Gogh was anti-every religion.

Indeed he was, and that is why I would be VERY skeptical of anything he made pertaining to religion.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: magomago
We may get different interpretations from it, but ultimately he lays the blame on the religion. He doesn't bring up the culture at all, he doesn't point out that the religion is not conected with the culture in any way.

Film is a medium of expression and you seem to have the need to have everything essenetially spoonfed to you. It's really not that hard. You were wrong in calling his film an outright lie. Sure, it was in poor taste and probably poor intentions, but it is not necessarily an outright lie.

He sits there and blunty has a woman stating that their husbands are extremely abusive, and she is glad because god will it so. He states that brothers can rape eachother's daughters, but makes no MENTION of the religion completely opposed to it~ rather the "religion is silent, as if there is no problem with what is going on"

He also did not say that the religion in its pure form says that brothers can rape each other's daughters. To me, when I viewed the short film a while ago, it seemed to be more of a cultural message - a culture that is also deeply impacted by its own use of the religion.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: magomago
That and it isn't like Van Gogh wanted to bring a real issue to talk about...Van Gogh, as I just checked on wikipedia, apparantly has a anti-Muslim history calling them "goat fckers" so I think it is a strech to assume that he would not lie through his teeth...

and lie ABOUT THE RELIGION he did.

I'm pretty sure that Theo Van Gogh was anti-every religion.

Indeed he was, and that is why I would be VERY skeptical of anything he made pertaining to religion.

Then you should also be skeptical of anything anyone who is pro-religion has made in regards to religion.

You see, you feel that he was making factual points about pure Islam. I don't see that at all, but instead see it as more of a culture+religion. It was more or less of an opinion type piece or view. It's not automatically a lie, as we have seen in this thread with differing views of his work.

 

[Polish3d]

Wow, illuminating thread. And I thought my sig was an absurd quote by Mo

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
I am sure that it happened in some places.

What lies did Theo Van Gogh have in his movie? My perception of it was that it was criticizing the culture and its manipulation of the religion.

He blames the reason why men act abusive to woman is because of Islam. The writing on Islamic verses on a woman's beaten back, women saying things such as "My husband beats me every night which i do not like, but because you say he controls me I thank you for every punch"...the list goes on. It falsely twists Quranic verses (and tweaks the translation slightly...and normally I don't see the problem since I can think of three Qurans translated each in english in his own way, but I doubt he is looking for linguistic objectivity) by taking them out of context so their real meaning can be understood, and it apparantly ignores it all.
Even the simplest things he lies abouts!!! NOTHING in Islam forces a daughter into marraige, and she herself has to consent to it!

He wants to bash on the immigrant culture that doesn't give woman freedom? That is fine and I'll applaud him. But he wants to say men are abusive BECAUSE of Islam...that is where he starts to spout bs.

Aimster. Arabs in the USA are "more intelligent" because those who come here usually have the MEANS to come because they have money and an eduction. The average income for Arabs is something liek 60-70K in the USA. But those in Europe are poor immigrants and refugees, they do not have the means that we do.

who are you kidding, the script for van goghs movie was written by a former muslim woman. its not lies, just the simple reality of the situation. and look all over the middle east if you want to see if religion is used to keep women down. its not a lie. stop being an apologist for scripture. and frankly theres many a anti woman verse in islam. if you can't even acknowledge this your devotion has made you completely blind to its faults. its not easily explained away as its the direct word of god through mohammed. you have no wiggle room. the only way around it is to pretend its not there. to ignore parts of your religion, to become a liar, a bad muslim. sorry, thats the harsh reality without the politically correct nonsense. you've been dancing around the elephant in the room for far too long. like many a religious person.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali..a brave righteous woman
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2157/context/archive

Koran translation by N.J. Dawood, Penguin Classics.

Surah 4 - Women (Al Nisa) verse 34: "Men have authority over women
because God has made /the/ one superior to the other, and because
they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient.
They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them (hymen).
As for those from whom you fear disobediance, admonish them and send
them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you take no
further action against them. God is high, supreme."

Another translation:

"Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in
the husband's absence what God would have them guard (their vagina,
i.e. hymen). As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and
ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them;
but if they return in obedience, seek not against them means: for
God is Most High, Great above you all."




ccording to the Koran, for example, the fornicatress and the fornicator must be flogged a hundred stripes (The Light: 24.2). Those who are guilty of an 'indecency' must be 'confined until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.' (The Women, 4.15). 'Men are the maintainers of women' and 'good' women are obedient. Those that men fear 'desertion', can be admonished, confined and beaten' (The Women, 4.34). Wives are 'a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like' (The Cow, 2.223). Veiling is promoted in the Koran: 'O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments' (The Clans, 33.59).

http://www.medusa2000.com/islammiddle.htm
Islam, Political Islam and Women in the Middle East
Maryam Namazie


The situation of women living in Islam-stricken societies and under Islamic laws is the outrage of the 21st century. Burqa-clad and veiled women and girls, beheadings, stoning to death, floggings, child sexual abuse in the name of marriage and sexual apartheid are only the most brutal and visible aspects of women's rightlessness and third class status in the Middle East.

This is Nothing but Islam.......


and lets not even get into rabid homophobia and antisemitism. stop defending what no rational person should be defending.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: magomago

Okay. His theory is false, and is based on twisting of facts and laying blame on religion! FIND in Islam where it says that a man's brother can rape his dauther!


That and it isn't like Van Gogh wanted to bring a real issue to talk about...Van Gogh, as I just checked on wikipedia, apparantly has a anti-Muslim history calling them "goat fckers" so I think it is a strech to assume that he would not lie through his teeth...

and lie ABOUT THE RELIGION he did.

You believe his theory is false, others believe it to be true. I certainly feel that religion has influenced man in some respects and it could be possible that some men beat their wives because of the way they interpret things in Islam. It's the same as abortion clinic bombers doing their work because of the way they interpret things.

Yes, Van Gogh was a moron. Too bad this moron is considered a hero of free speech. I believe the "goat-fvckers" thing comes from an Iranian cleric who writes that Islam allows bestiality.

:laugh:

 

[mOeeOm]

BTW, I'm going to PM you this so you read it for sure later just incase you really did go to bed

Common you know all true Muslims never lie, and only ever fight when they have to keep the peace against people not willing.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My question is inspired by events such as the French riots, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and the thread on this page regarding the cartoon that depicted Islam in a negative light:

Are you first and foremost a Muslim, or are you first and foremost a citizen of the country in which you live and have citizenship? If you consider yourself first and foremost a Muslim, are you bound by Islamic law? If so what do you adhere to if there is a conflict between Islamic law and the laws of the country in which you reside?

If you feel Islamic law takes precedence when there is a conflict, to where adhering to Islamic law means that you are breaking the laws of the state, why do you feel like you are entitled to continue being a member of the state?

In my opinion, were you to do something like kill Theo van Gogh because he did something offensive to Islam, something which might be perfectly in order with Islamic law, you would no longer be entitled to the protections of the state in which you live, and should be removed from the state, be it by incarceration, execution, or deportation.

Once they have eliminated all states and the world is ruled by Islamic law and Mullahs, it won't really matter, will it?

Ok, seriously, you sound like you're planning on blowing up your local Mosque...should I keep my eye on the news?

I don't really think we have one here.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My question is inspired by events such as the French riots, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and the thread on this page regarding the cartoon that depicted Islam in a negative light:

Are you first and foremost a Muslim, or are you first and foremost a citizen of the country in which you live and have citizenship? If you consider yourself first and foremost a Muslim, are you bound by Islamic law? If so what do you adhere to if there is a conflict between Islamic law and the laws of the country in which you reside?

If you feel Islamic law takes precedence when there is a conflict, to where adhering to Islamic law means that you are breaking the laws of the state, why do you feel like you are entitled to continue being a member of the state?

In my opinion, were you to do something like kill Theo van Gogh because he did something offensive to Islam, something which might be perfectly in order with Islamic law, you would no longer be entitled to the protections of the state in which you live, and should be removed from the state, be it by incarceration, execution, or deportation.

Once they have eliminated all states and the world is ruled by Islamic law and Mullahs, it won't really matter, will it?

Ok, seriously, you sound like you're planning on blowing up your local Mosque...should I keep my eye on the news?

No no he has this image that Muslims are out for world domination....

Not an image at all. The only reason they don't rule the world with us as slaves is that they are incapable of anything but the dream. The dream that is killing millions!

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My question is inspired by events such as the French riots, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and the thread on this page regarding the cartoon that depicted Islam in a negative light:

Are you first and foremost a Muslim, or are you first and foremost a citizen of the country in which you live and have citizenship? If you consider yourself first and foremost a Muslim, are you bound by Islamic law? If so what do you adhere to if there is a conflict between Islamic law and the laws of the country in which you reside?

If you feel Islamic law takes precedence when there is a conflict, to where adhering to Islamic law means that you are breaking the laws of the state, why do you feel like you are entitled to continue being a member of the state?

In my opinion, were you to do something like kill Theo van Gogh because he did something offensive to Islam, something which might be perfectly in order with Islamic law, you would no longer be entitled to the protections of the state in which you live, and should be removed from the state, be it by incarceration, execution, or deportation.

Once they have eliminated all states and the world is ruled by Islamic law and Mullahs, it won't really matter, will it?

Every Muslim country has laws based on Islamic Laws. Are you suggesting every Muslim nation is "evil"?

You watch TV, read the news? Can you think?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My question is inspired by events such as the French riots, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and the thread on this page regarding the cartoon that depicted Islam in a negative light:

Are you first and foremost a Muslim, or are you first and foremost a citizen of the country in which you live and have citizenship? If you consider yourself first and foremost a Muslim, are you bound by Islamic law? If so what do you adhere to if there is a conflict between Islamic law and the laws of the country in which you reside?

If you feel Islamic law takes precedence when there is a conflict, to where adhering to Islamic law means that you are breaking the laws of the state, why do you feel like you are entitled to continue being a member of the state?

In my opinion, were you to do something like kill Theo van Gogh because he did something offensive to Islam, something which might be perfectly in order with Islamic law, you would no longer be entitled to the protections of the state in which you live, and should be removed from the state, be it by incarceration, execution, or deportation.

Once they have eliminated all states and the world is ruled by Islamic law and Mullahs, it won't really matter, will it?

Every Muslim country has laws based on Islamic Laws. Are you suggesting every Muslim nation is "evil"?

No, you can't. If you could, you would realize that there is only one Muslim nation.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My question is inspired by events such as the French riots, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and the thread on this page regarding the cartoon that depicted Islam in a negative light:

Are you first and foremost a Muslim, or are you first and foremost a citizen of the country in which you live and have citizenship? If you consider yourself first and foremost a Muslim, are you bound by Islamic law? If so what do you adhere to if there is a conflict between Islamic law and the laws of the country in which you reside?

If you feel Islamic law takes precedence when there is a conflict, to where adhering to Islamic law means that you are breaking the laws of the state, why do you feel like you are entitled to continue being a member of the state?

In my opinion, were you to do something like kill Theo van Gogh because he did something offensive to Islam, something which might be perfectly in order with Islamic law, you would no longer be entitled to the protections of the state in which you live, and should be removed from the state, be it by incarceration, execution, or deportation.

Well, laws are based on religion, especially the 10 commandments, and the Christian/Muslim/Jewish laws are the same. If we are talking about just laws, then yes I am bound by Islamic law, there is really no conflict between islamic law and the laws of a country, whatever is considered a crime is the same, but what is different is the punishment. The laws of the state are the same as the laws of Islam in its basic form, such as murder, stealing, rape etc etc etc.

The law is not an issue, what people can do or not do is the issue. The law of Islam is that you cannot spread lies about Islam, if you do it is punishable by death, such as the case of Theo Van Gogh. Criticizing is fine, spreading lies is another thing. In this case, then I believe Islamic law takes first priority in order to stop the lies from spreading further.

You are wrong...we have to respect the laws of the other country so as long as it does not restrict our ability to practice our religion.

What someone else does or says might not be what we want, and may be a violation of our laws (depicting prophet Mohammed for one) but it does not inhibit our ability to practice our religion. They can draw the Prophet as much as they want, and I will be angry and concerned with that, but I am not being forced to accept these pictures. And under their law, they have a right to do so. However under their law as well, I have a right to protest and make a clamor.

Under our law as well, if I go and kill a person who does that, there is a real possibility I will face the death penalty myself. Either way, we should respect the laws of the "Non Muslim" country we live in, because it is that country that is letting me live on the land, etc.

You sound like a Muslim....if not, sorry, but if so, then...what are you doing? You MUST follow the Quran to the letter. We are commanded by God to punish those who spread lies about Islam, you can't pick and choose what you wanna follow, regardless of the time or place you live in. And yes before you kill them, you have to be just in it,

Everyone read this and pay attention to what the man is saying. He affirms everything I have said!

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
My question is inspired by events such as the French riots, the murder of Theo van Gogh, and the thread on this page regarding the cartoon that depicted Islam in a negative light:

Are you first and foremost a Muslim, or are you first and foremost a citizen of the country in which you live and have citizenship? If you consider yourself first and foremost a Muslim, are you bound by Islamic law? If so what do you adhere to if there is a conflict between Islamic law and the laws of the country in which you reside?

If you feel Islamic law takes precedence when there is a conflict, to where adhering to Islamic law means that you are breaking the laws of the state, why do you feel like you are entitled to continue being a member of the state?

In my opinion, were you to do something like kill Theo van Gogh because he did something offensive to Islam, something which might be perfectly in order with Islamic law, you would no longer be entitled to the protections of the state in which you live, and should be removed from the state, be it by incarceration, execution, or deportation.

Well, laws are based on religion, especially the 10 commandments, and the Christian/Muslim/Jewish laws are the same. If we are talking about just laws, then yes I am bound by Islamic law, there is really no conflict between islamic law and the laws of a country, whatever is considered a crime is the same, but what is different is the punishment. The laws of the state are the same as the laws of Islam in its basic form, such as murder, stealing, rape etc etc etc.

The law is not an issue, what people can do or not do is the issue. The law of Islam is that you cannot spread lies about Islam, if you do it is punishable by death, such as the case of Theo Van Gogh. Criticizing is fine, spreading lies is another thing. In this case, then I believe Islamic law takes first priority in order to stop the lies from spreading further.

You are wrong...we have to respect the laws of the other country so as long as it does not restrict our ability to practice our religion.

What someone else does or says might not be what we want, and may be a violation of our laws (depicting prophet Mohammed for one) but it does not inhibit our ability to practice our religion. They can draw the Prophet as much as they want, and I will be angry and concerned with that, but I am not being forced to accept these pictures. And under their law, they have a right to do so. However under their law as well, I have a right to protest and make a clamor.

Under our law as well, if I go and kill a person who does that, there is a real possibility I will face the death penalty myself. Either way, we should respect the laws of the "Non Muslim" country we live in, because it is that country that is letting me live on the land, etc.

You sound like a Muslim....if not, sorry, but if so, then...what are you doing? You MUST follow the Quran to the letter. We are commanded by God to punish those who spread lies about Islam, you can't pick and choose what you wanna follow, regardless of the time or place you live in. And yes before you kill them, you have to be just in it,

Everyone read this and pay attention to what the man is saying. He affirms everything I have said!

You were saying that liars need to be punished and you should be just before you punish them? :S...sorry I missed that in all your posts, all I read were crazy rambling about Muslims wanting world domination without any proof.