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Question for Darwinists

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its all just a dream. we come into life as unconditioned beings and through life on earth we condition our imaginations for an existence outside of our physical body. Our body is just a tool to become aware of our existence. God gave us free will, its not that he isnt in the room, its that he has stepped back to let us make our own decisions. If that wasnt the case, we would all be robots and lack free thought. and that my friends, imho, would suck worse than feeling like God abandoned us or doesnt exist. and yes, i think im tripping.
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
damn. trying to imagine infinity backwards in time makes my head hurt
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i wonder why. i dont think that equation works. we are fish in a fish bowl, the chance of us truly understanding how all of this came to be is like the goldfish in the bowl understanding the world outside of the fishbowl, who made their food, who bought it, what currency it was bought with, why there is fake coral in the bowl, who made the fake coral, and why in the world does food just appear at the edge of the universe!
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
damn. trying to imagine infinity backwards in time makes my head hurt
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We are finite beings trying to understand infinite concepts. It is impossible, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
What we need to do is create a big computer to answer this for us, perhaps with the aid of hyperdimensional entities known as "white mice". I would call it Deep Thought.
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
damn. trying to imagine infinity backwards in time makes my head hurt
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You need a simple thought experiment:

Imagine that you are the cosmic microwave background. You have spent quite a bit of time hanging ten on the crest of the expanding universe. Being a lowly microwave, your choices are limited, you forever ride that wave searching for that elusive corn to pop. You know that if you can just pop that corn a whole new universe will be born but for now and for so very, very long you just keep riding that wave.
 
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
damn. trying to imagine infinity backwards in time makes my head hurt
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i wonder why. i dont think that equation works. we are fish in a fish bowl, the chance of us truly understanding how all of this came to be is like the goldfish in the bowl understanding the world outside of the fishbowl, who made their food, who bought it, what currency it was bought with, why there is fake coral in the bowl, who made the fake coral, and why in the world does food just appear at the edge of the universe!
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Someday, someday...for the love of god I hope someday, be it on another planet with a more intelligent species or what not, I live and continue to think just for that day...



On that point, as we are humans to goldfish, lets say that there is something else to us. Of course this is where people would step in and say god, but that is compltely wrong, as this assumes that it is not another species that lives on a more developed universe(if you believe in the string theory) and that this type of anology has anything to do with it, as we can only fathom what is familiar to us, being another species.


Yeah I know that made no sense, I'm going to bed soon, it's been a long day. 😛
 
Originally posted by: her209
Also, evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of the universe... just the origin of species.
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Hence the name of Darwin's book, The Origin of Species 🙂

And G_d isn't physical, except to play skeeball.
 
Originally posted by: huberm
This is just something I have been thinking about lately and in no way am trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to be judgemental nor am I trying to force any beliefs onto anyone else. I am simply curious as to what others think.

So here goes:

Regardless of if the big bang theory, evolution, etc is correct, didn't the matter have to come from somewhere? You cannot have an effect without a cause, can you?
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What makes you think matter had to come from somewhere?
 
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Originally posted by: huberm
This is just something I have been thinking about lately and in no way am trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to be judgemental nor am I trying to force any beliefs onto anyone else. I am simply curious as to what others think.

So here goes:

Regardless of if the big bang theory, evolution, etc is correct, didn't the matter have to come from somewhere? You cannot have an effect without a cause, can you?
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What makes you think matter had to come from somewhere?
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Entropy.
 
The title of this thread should read question for cosmologists/theoretical physicists. Darwin/evolutionary theory has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.
 
Meh, you miss the point of what darwin actually set out to explain, and which we now know far more about, evolution.

Where does it say anything about the big bang? 😛

Damn religious jackasses 😉

Personally, i can't see why a belief in a 'god' and a rational understanding of the science of evolution can't quite happily co-exist?
 
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Originally posted by: huberm
This is just something I have been thinking about lately and in no way am trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to be judgemental nor am I trying to force any beliefs onto anyone else. I am simply curious as to what others think.

So here goes:

Regardless of if the big bang theory, evolution, etc is correct, didn't the matter have to come from somewhere? You cannot have an effect without a cause, can you?
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What makes you think matter had to come from somewhere?
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Entropy.
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What does entropy have to do with matter existing? Isn't entropy about energy? And dude, your post about the hyperdimensional "white mice" had me laughing my ass off. Is that a reference to a movie or something, or did you just come up with that?
 
Originally posted by: dug777
Meh, you miss the point of what darwin actually set out to explain, and which we now know far more about, evolution.

Where does it say anything about the big bang? 😛

Damn religious jackasses 😉

Personally, i can't see why a belief in a 'god' and a rational understanding of the science of evolution can't quite happily co-exist?
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I believe they contradict each other. At least it does Christianity. I don't know about Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.
 
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Originally posted by: everman
Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Originally posted by: huberm
This is just something I have been thinking about lately and in no way am trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to be judgemental nor am I trying to force any beliefs onto anyone else. I am simply curious as to what others think.

So here goes:

Regardless of if the big bang theory, evolution, etc is correct, didn't the matter have to come from somewhere? You cannot have an effect without a cause, can you?
Click to expand...

What makes you think matter had to come from somewhere?
Click to expand...

Entropy.
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What does entropy have to do with matter existing? Isn't entropy about energy?
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I think he basically means that if stuff had been around forever it would be extremely cold by now. Correct me if I'm wrong...

And dude, your post about the hyperdimensional "white mice" had me laughing my ass off. Is that a reference to a movie or something, or did you just come up with that?
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Ya, that's the hichhiker's guide. Read it or see the TV series (maybe), but don't see the movie, they took all the jokes out.
 
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: dug777
Meh, you miss the point of what darwin actually set out to explain, and which we now know far more about, evolution.

Where does it say anything about the big bang? 😛

Damn religious jackasses 😉

Personally, i can't see why a belief in a 'god' and a rational understanding of the science of evolution can't quite happily co-exist?
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I believe they contradict each other. At least it does Christianity. I don't know about Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.
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Wow. I give this post a perfect 10/10.
 
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: dug777
Meh, you miss the point of what darwin actually set out to explain, and which we now know far more about, evolution.

Where does it say anything about the big bang? 😛

Damn religious jackasses 😉

Personally, i can't see why a belief in a 'god' and a rational understanding of the science of evolution can't quite happily co-exist?
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I believe they contradict each other. At least it does Christianity. I don't know about Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.
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You only listed denominations of Christianity.

Religion and science can happily coexist, it's just that you have some people who take the bible literally, which has a few issues with things like evolution (the world being more than 6,000 years old, everything not being the same as it was when created etc). However, many religious people take the bible more metaphorically (i.e. Genesis shows G_d's connection, love and devotion, but Eden, Adam & Eve and so on didn't actually exist).
 
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: RapidSnail
Originally posted by: dug777
Meh, you miss the point of what darwin actually set out to explain, and which we now know far more about, evolution.

Where does it say anything about the big bang? 😛

Damn religious jackasses 😉

Personally, i can't see why a belief in a 'god' and a rational understanding of the science of evolution can't quite happily co-exist?
Click to expand...

I believe they contradict each other. At least it does Christianity. I don't know about Catholicism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.
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Wow. I give this post a perfect 10/10.
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:laugh:
 
You know what annoys me? People who confuse evolution with the origin of man. There is absolutely no argument against evolution. It happens by natural selection. Better traits result from mutations and random pairings of alleles. These traits which fit the environment better allow these organisms to live while others die. These organisms procreate and so the allelic frequency changes over time. Stop being ignorant and saying you don't believe in evolution because you believe that God created man when that has nothing to do with it.
 
I don't need to know.
I can accept we may never know in my lifetime.

It's just one of those things. The universe came to be, not by god, and now it exists.
If we eventually work it all out, great, but I'll probably be dead before then so quite frankly, I don't give a damn 🙂
And I'm not going to spend any time trying to figure it out.
 
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