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Question about passport

thestrangebrew1

thestrangebrew1

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Looking to get a passport for some traveling in Mexico next year. I was born in US territory and when we moved to the states, I got a passport when I was around 5 or 6. I also can't find my original or certified original birth certificate. My mom said she has my expired passport, will this work in place of my birth certificate? I can't call my place of birth because it's night time there. I'd have to wait till about 10pm PST to call.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
Looking to get a passport for some traveling in Mexico next year. I was born in US territory and when we moved to the states, I got a passport when I was around 5 or 6. I also can't find my original or certified original birth certificate. My mom said she has my expired passport, will this work in place of my birth certificate? I can't call my place of birth because it's night time there. I'd have to wait till about 10pm PST to call.
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nevermind. Yes youll need a birth certificate and youll need to appy for a new one.
 
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Ferzerp said:
The expired passport is sufficient.

Why didn't you go through the little workflow that tells you what you need to have?

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/apply.html
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Because his passport was issued BEFORE he was 16 AND its been expired more than 5 years he must have a birth certificate.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/renew.html

Your Most Recent U.S. Passport:


  • Is undamaged and can be submitted with your application;
  • Was issued when you were age 16 or older;
  • Was issued within the last 15 years; and
  • Was issued in your current name or you can legally document your name change with original or certified copy of your marriage certificate or the government-issued document evidencing your legal name change.
If any of the above statements do not apply to you, you must Apply in Person.
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The workflow they provide does not agree with you.

Nor does my experience from not more than 4 months ago.

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What you edited in has nothing to do with needing a birth certificate. He asked if his old passport is sufficient documentation, which it is. He just has to apply again (as opposed to renewing), and provide the old passport as documentation. You're confusing renewal eligibility with acceptable proof of citizenship, which the expired passport is.
 
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Ferzerp said:
The workflow they provide does not agree with you.

Nor does my experience from not more than 4 months ago.
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I just went through the workflow using OP's info (approximately mid 20's, passport issued at age 5) and the result was I needed a birth certificate.
 
Sorry, but you're wrong, and I cannot duplicate what you have come up with. This is the result of someone born in 1990, with a passport issued in 1991.

Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
You must submit one of the following original documents as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship (photocopies are not acceptable):

Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
Issued by City, County, or State of birth
Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
Lists parent(s) full names
Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
Has registrar's signature
Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
Consular Report of Birth Abroad
Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship
MORE
Photo Identification
When you submit your application, you must present one of the following primary photo identification documents, and submit a photocopy of that document:

Valid Driver's License (plus a second ID if issued in a different state than where you apply)
Undamaged U.S. Passport (if issued less than 15 years ago)
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid government ID (city, state, or federal)
Valid Military ID



Additionally, I just traveled with someone who went through the same exact scenario (except she had her birth certificate available if need be, but didn't take it to the post office for the application because the passport was sufficient)
 
Ferzerp said:
Sorry, but you're wrong, and I cannot duplicate what you have come up with. This is the result of someone born in 1990, with a passport issued in 1991.

Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
You must submit one of the following original documents as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship (photocopies are not acceptable):

Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
Issued by City, County, or State of birth
Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
Lists parent(s) full names
Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
Has registrar's signature
Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
Consular Report of Birth Abroad
Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship
MORE
Photo Identification
When you submit your application, you must present one of the following primary photo identification documents, and submit a photocopy of that document:

Valid Driver's License (plus a second ID if issued in a different state than where you apply)
Undamaged U.S. Passport (if issued less than 15 years ago)
Certificate of Naturalization
Valid government ID (city, state, or federal)
Valid Military ID



Additionally, I just traveled with someone who went through the same exact scenario (except she had her birth certificate available if need be, but didn't take it to the post office for the application because the passport was sufficient)
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Derp. Dunno what I did the first time 🙂

OP: you do NOT need a passport ()🙂
 
Ferzerp said:
The expired passport is sufficient.

Why didn't you go through the little workflow that tells you what you need to have?

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/passports/apply.html
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Thanks for link. After doing the workflow it says I need this:

Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
Issued by City, County, or State of birth
Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
Lists parent(s) full names
Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
Has registrar's signature
Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
Consular Report of Birth Abroad
Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship


Doesn't state a time limit or how old the expired passport has to have been so I might be good here.
 
Oh my brain was hung up on the renewal not new issuance. Probably be ok with the old passport since there are no stated limitations (type, year issued, etc) but in your case I'd want to have the BC in my back pocket just in case.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
Yea figured out what to do in order to get my vital records from my birthplace. Might as well get that too in case I need it.
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Yep. If you don't already have a copy of your birth certificate then you should get a copy anyhow so that you have it for future use. It's one of those critical documents you rarely need, but when you do it's easier if you don't have to order a copy at the last second.
 
Mexico?

No need for a passport for the outer border. You can use cash or a passport for the inner border. They'll let you back in the US if you have a driver's license and don't raise suspicion otherwise.

Just go chingado, what's the worse that can happen. 🙂
 
Humpy said:
Mexico?

No need for a passport for the outer border. You can use cash or a passport for the inner border. They'll let you back in the US if you have a driver's license and don't raise suspicion otherwise.

Just go chingado, what's the worse that can happen. 🙂
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Not true.

[FONT=&quot]http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs_sheet.html

[/FONT]As of March 1, 2010, all U.S. citizens – including children -- must present a valid passport, book or card, for travel beyond the “border zone” into the interior of Mexico. Entry by any means, for example by plane or car, is included in this requirement. The “border zone” is generally defined as an area between 20 to 30 kilometers of the border with the U.S., depending on the location. Stays of less than 72 hours within the border zone do not require a visa or tourist card.
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http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/mexico.html

You must present a valid U.S. passport or passport card in order to enter Mexico. Although documents may not be routinely checked along the land border, Mexican authorities at immigration checkpoints approximately 25 kilometers from the U.S. border will often conduct vehicle and document inspections and require valid travel documents and an entry permit or Forma Migratoria Multiple (FMM).
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Have you tried calling NPIC (National Passport Information Center) at 1-877-487-2778 and asking them? Their hours are 5:00 AM to 7:00 PM Pacific.

I'll share my personal experience, a few years ago I needed my passport renewed but all I had was my state drivers license and nothing else. It's a long story. We had a trip planned that was a few weeks away, I called the 877 phone # made an appointment at my local Passport agency, I had to pay an extra fee, passport was ready within 24 hours.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
Looking to get a passport for some traveling in Mexico next year. I was born in US territory and when we moved to the states, I got a passport when I was around 5 or 6. I also can't find my original or certified original birth certificate. My mom said she has my expired passport, will this work in place of my birth certificate? I can't call my place of birth because it's night time there. I'd have to wait till about 10pm PST to call.
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It depends on how long the original passport has been expired if you have to apply in person or by mail. You should be able to renew without a birth certificate as long as the old passport is not damaged.

I renewed with my expired passport and a drivers license.


Renew by Mail if All of the Following are True

Your Most Recent U.S. Passport:

Is undamaged and can be submitted with your application;
Was issued when you were age 16 or older;
Was issued within the last 15 years; and
Was issued in your current name or you can legally document your name change with original or certified copy of your marriage certificate or the government-issued document evidencing your legal name change.

If any of the above statements do not apply to you, you must Apply in Person.

By mail:
1.) Fill Out Form DS-82: Application for a U.S. Passport by Mail. Print Form DS-82 and complete by hand; or. ...
2.) Submit your most recent U.S. passport book and/or card. ...
3.) Submit a certified copy of your marriage certificate or court order if your name has changed. ...
4.)Pay the Applicable Fee. ...
5.) Provide One Passport Photo. ...
6.) Mail application.


In person:
Bring your old passport and a passport photo along with an ID and some money.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
Thanks for link. After doing the workflow it says I need this:

Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
Issued by City, County, or State of birth
Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
Lists parent(s) full names
Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
Has registrar's signature
Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
Consular Report of Birth Abroad
Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship


Doesn't state a time limit or how old the expired passport has to have been so I might be good here.
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What is says is you need one of the following:

Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

You must submit one of the following original documents as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship (photocopies are not acceptable):

1.) Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
Issued by City, County, or State of birth
Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
Lists parent(s) full names
Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
Has registrar's signature
Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
2.) Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
3.) Consular Report of Birth Abroad
4.) Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship
 
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