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Lemon law

Lemon law

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In my mind, its crunch time for Israel to get back to the peace table.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ian-state-if-peace-talks-not-renewed-1.356742

And in my mind, it hangs on a matter of faith, does the world believe the Palestinians or the Israeli version for the collapse of the peace talks in the late fall of 2010.

The Palestinian version is that they refuse to play the Israeli talk and settle charade game until a Israeli Settlement freeze is enacted. After all, there is not a nation on earth that recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the lands captured by Israel in the 1967&73 wars.

Where as Israel, the military occupying power, has been settling on these disputed lands for decades as a matter of Israeli policy.

But now all the Quartet members, demand a restart of talks. Who will blink first, Israel or the Palestinians? Last time the Pals blinked first and agreed to resume talks, and soon thereafter Netanyuhu refused to extend the settlement freeze. Which collapsed the talks.

This time who will the Quartet members side with the lack of talks.

The link is somewhat silent on that, but Israel risks not being included in any decisions in drawing the final border of the Palestinian State come 9/2011. From other links the Pals are long on the record, they welcome Israeli inclusions in the talks, but the Israeli talks participation comes at the price of a settlement freeze.

Its now somewhat of an Israeli pissing contest, because Israel is long on record as talking and talking, while giving up nothing, and in the process grabbing more and more.

And if Israel wants to gamble on anyone any longer believing their propaganda line while Israel says one thing and does quite another, come 9/2011 Israel may be odd man out without even a voice in deciding the final borders of a Palestinian State.

Que in all those Israeli fan clubbers who believe in Israeli propaganda, but we are dealing with the Quartet here who will be judge jury and executioner of the final who to blame designation.

As for Netanyuhu, who tries to sit on the fence, its crunch time for him to order that settlement freeze or the Quartet train may soon leave the station. Without a single Israeli aboard.
 
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Genx87

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Wild prediction. Nothing happens, palastinians fire rockets, israeli's level a house. Rinse and repeat.
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Genx87 said:
Wild prediction. Nothing happens, palastinians fire rockets, israeli's level a house. Rinse and repeat.
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There may be some validity to what Genx87 says, but this is the first time in 63 years that the larger world seems really resolved to get this Israeli Palestinian matter settled.

Nothing lasts forever.
 
Blackjack200

Blackjack200

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Lemon law said:
There may be some validity to what Genx87 says, but this is the first time in 63 years that the larger world seems really resolved to get this Israeli Palestinian matter settled.

Nothing lasts forever.
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Carter, El-Sadat, Clinton... I hope this time is real but I just can't get excited about it any more. :(
 
jonks

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Didn't we have this thread already? Good, grant them a state so when the next anti-tank missile is fired at a schoolbus we can end this shit for good.
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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Lemon law said:
In my mind, its crunch time for Israel to get back to the peace table. --- who says? None of your wild predictions has ever come true...hmmmm

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...newed-1.356742

And in my mind, it hangs on a matter of faith, does the world believe the Palestinians or the Israeli version for the collapse of the peace talks in the late fall of 2010. -- collapse of what?? Israel had a 10 month settlement freeze and in that 10 month time the Palestinians did nothing....

The Palestinian version is that they refuse to play the Israeli talk and settle charade game until a Israeli Settlement freeze is enacted. After all, there is not a nation on earth that recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the lands captured by Israel in the 1967&73 wars. -- you don`t know what you are talking about. The Palestinians refuse to talk period!! Freeze or no freeze!!

Where as Israel, the military occupying power, has been settling on these disputed lands for decades as a matter of Israeli policy.--- ooppps the spoils of war go to the vicor....Oh I get it...Israel should give everything back regaqrdless of the other sides intentions...rofl

But now all the Quartet members, demand a restart of talks. -- hahahah way too funny -- keep dreaming -- this Quartet will accomplish and do nothing!!

Who will blink first, Israel or the Palestinians? Last time the Pals blinked first and agreed to resume talks, and soon thereafter Netanyuhu refused to extend the settlement freeze. Which collapsed the talks. -- nobody needs to blink first nothing will come of this untill the Palestinians take matters into thewir own hands and get rid of Hamas!!
This so called Quartet can blow all the hot air they want -- Israel has to agree to nothing and none of the members od this quartet will attempt to try to force iether party to comply...so keep dreaming little man!!

This time who will the Quartet members side with the lack of talks.

The link is somewhat silent on that, but Israel risks not being included in any decisions in drawing the final border of the Palestinian State come 9/2011. From other links the Pals are long on the record, they welcome Israeli inclusions in the talks, but the Israeli talks participation comes at the price of a settlement freeze. -- sorry you just don`t grasp it...the settlement freeze card has been played and the Palestinians screwed it up....

Its now somewhat of an Israeli pissing contest, because Israel is long on record as talking and talking, while giving up nothing, and in the process grabbing more and more.

And if Israel wants to gamble on anyone any longer believing their propaganda line while Israel says one thing and does quite another, come 9/2011 Israel may be odd man out without even a voice in deciding the final borders of a Palestinian State. -- keep dreaming...nothing you have ever stated has even come true..ever...

Que in all those Israeli fan clubbers who believe in Israeli propaganda, but we are dealing with the Quartet here who will be judge jury and executioner of the final who to blame designation. -- this so called quartet is a joke with NO real power to do a damn thing!!

As for Netanyuhu, who tries to sit on the fence, its crunch time for him to order that settlement freeze or the Quartet train may soon leave the station. Without a single Israeli aboard.
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OMG -- hahahahaa way to funny listening to lather at the mouth .......rofl
 
JEDIYoda

JEDIYoda

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jonks said:
Didn't we have this thread already? Good, grant them a state so when the next anti-tank missile is fired at a schoolbus we can end this shit for good.
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Exactly!! But wait the likes of lemon law will claim the Israeli`s shot the anti tank missle at themselves...rofl
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Earth to JediY, the quartet has set a date of 9/2011 to get to a Palestinian State final resolution.

I can understand that you maintain that once again, Israel can defy the world, but as the deadline to 9/2011 ticks down, Israel seeming lacks a plan.

Let us admit the fact, the Israeli Netanyuhu strategy is based on only one desperation brick, that in the face of universal world wide opposition to Israeli apartheid, Netanyuhu, relies on the very Obama he insults to save Israeli government butt. All Obama has to do is abstain in a security council veto, and then Israeli Apartheid will go the same way as South African Apartheid.

As for Abbas, Fatah, and not Hamas, the PA has proved to the world they have the institutions to establish a State. And if Israel refuses to come to the table with a settlement freeze by 9/2011, the Palestinians have already lined up more than the required 128 world wide states. If those 128+ States vote to grant Palestinians Statehood, not even a US veto can stop a Palestinian State.

Meanwhile new flotillas will come at Israel as soon as next month, what happens if the UN rules the Israeli blockade of Gaza is illegal?

Meanwhile Israel only has the Bozo Netanyuhu strategy, don't say no to its crazed settler party minority nuts, and busily pretend Israel as Israel proves it unwilling to do anything but talk and and not grant anything to settle. After a while JediY, Israel talk is cheap and Israeli action has always been missing in action.

Tick tick tick, 9/2011 is fast coming. If the UN decides without an Israeli voice, they are going to get a hell of a lot less.
 
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Lemon law

Lemon law

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nick1985 said:
This is great news for Hamas supporters!
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Actually Nick1985 its better news for Fatah and the PA. Because if Fatah and the PA can deliver the bacon of a Palestinian State, why should Gaza voters follow the failed strategy of Hamas?

When Fatah and Hamas split in 2005, we had the two conflicting Palestinians strategies of violence v non violence. Neither worked for six years, but by logic Israel should have rewarded Fatah, and Instead Israeli actions did nothing but say the hell with either Palestinian strategy.
 
glenn1

glenn1

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Lemon law said:
Earth to JediY, the quartet has set a date of 9/2011 to get to a Palestinian State final resolution.

I can understand that you maintain that once again, Israel can defy the world, but as the deadline to 9/2011 ticks down, Israel seeming lacks a plan.

Let us admit the fact, the Israeli Netanyuhu strategy is based on only one desperation brick, that in the face of universal world wide opposition to Israeli apartheid, Netanyuhu, relies on the very Obama he insults to save Israeli government butt. All Obama has to do is abstain in a security council veto, and then Israeli Apartheid will go the same way as South African Apartheid.

As for Abbas, Fatah, and not Hamas, the PA has proved to the world they have the institutions to establish a State. And if Israel refuses to come to the table with a settlement freeze by 9/2011, the Palestinians have already lined up more than the required 128 world wide states. If those 128+ States vote to grant Palestinians Statehood, not even a US veto can stop a Palestinian State.

Meanwhile new flotillas will come at Israel as soon as next month, what happens if the UN rules the Israeli blockade of Gaza is illegal?

Meanwhile Israel only has the Bozo Netanyuhu strategy, don't say no to its crazed settler party minority nuts, and busily pretend Israel as Israel proves it unwilling to do anything but talk and and not grant anything to settle. After a while JediY, Israel talk is cheap and Israeli action has always been missing in action.

Tick tick tick, 9/2011 is fast coming. If the UN decides without an Israeli voice, they are going to get a hell of a lot less.
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Nobody gives a shit about the Palestinians, even the other Arab nations. Their only utility is for others to bash Israel. So what if the Palestinian state is recognized, it will be a client state of Iran/Syria anyway, nominally independent like Lebanon but nothing more and likely worse off than they were during the Israeli occupation.
 
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glenn1 said:
Nobody gives a shit about the Palestinians, even the other Arab nations. Their only utility is for others to bash Israel. So what if the Palestinian state is recognized, it will be a client state of Iran/Syria anyway, nominally independent like Lebanon but nothing more and likely worse off than they were during the Israeli occupation.
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Folks, I think we have a winner.
 
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For the last 60 odd years, the molehill that was the "Palestinian" problem was made into a mountain by assorted tin-pot dictators of the Middle-East to hide the repression they unleashed on their own populations. Now these very same people are realizing that what they are going through is no better, if not worse, than what these dictators claim is happening to the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis and are doing an "intifada" against their own leaders. The Palestinian cries of "wolf!" are falling on deaf ears. They've been knocked off the front pages that they had been used to for decades and are trying to desperately get back on them. No one gives a rat's a*se if they declare themselves a state or not. There are bigger problems in the Middle East to worry about.
 
Lemon law

Lemon law

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Oh well, as all the Israeli fan clubbers decide, in the face of overwhelming evidence, if they can't rebut what the quartet is fixing to do, then try the following deflection. That now, because no one in the world cares about the Palestinians, that suddenly everyone will decide we all loved Israeli government oppression better? And suddenly, before the Palestinians State is formed, everyone will wake up and say hell no Palestinians.

Well, surprise, come 9/2011, and if Israel ends up odd man out, poor ole Israel will care when they get the ole heave ho from the the illegal gains of the 1967&73 wars.
 
QuantumPion

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Lemon law said:
In my mind, its crunch time for Israel to get back to the peace table.
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Um, you guys are the ones launching missiles at Israel. You could have had peace at any point in the last 60 years if, you know, stopped fucking trying to destroy them.
 
Macamus Prime

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August will be the month where a Palestinian boy will throw a rock at an Israel soldier, the boy will then get shot in the face with a automatice rifle.

Palestinians will throw some more rocks and a few grenades at Israel. Israel will retaliate with SCUD missles, choppers and tank assaults,... because said grenades wounded an Israeli and ruined someone's marble balcony.

Figure about 20 to 30 dead Palestinians (because the terrorists are hidding behind them) and one wounded Israeli. International outcry. Threads on these boards. And we are back to where we are now.

Something has to give. I don't see the Palestinians ever organizing to work things out. And, the Israelis have lost their minds - no one is going to "stop them".
 
QuantumPion

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Macamus Prime said:
August will be the month where a Palestinian boy will throw a rock at an Israel soldier, the boy will then get shot in the face with a automatice rifle.

Palestinians will throw some more rocks and a few grenades at Israel. Israel will retaliate with SCUD missles, choppers and tank assaults,... because said grenades wounded an Israeli and ruined someone's marble balcony.

Figure about 20 to 30 dead Palestinians (because the terrorists are hidding behind them) and one wounded Israeli. International outcry. Threads on these boards. And we are back to where we are now.

Something has to give. I don't see the Palestinians ever organizing to work things out. And, the Israelis have lost their minds - no one is going to "stop them".
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The reason why the palestinians have greater casualties is because they purposely murder their own people so they have body bags to show on the news to fool useful idiots like yourself. This is in the course of their unprovoked attacks against Israel. I mean really, you can't complain about your casualties when you are the one that started the fight. It's not Israel's job to make sure they get an equal number of casualties or ensure the safety of palestinian terrorists.
 
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QuantumPion said:
The reason why the palestinians have greater casualties is because they purposely murder their own people so they have body bags to show on the news to fool useful idiots like yourself. This is in the course of their unprovoked attacks against Israel. I mean really, you can't complain about your casualties when you are the one that started the fight. It's not Israel's job to make sure they get an equal number of casualties or ensure the safety of palestinian terrorists.
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Your fascist mentality trying to make an analysis
is comparable to a monkey with a book in his hands..
 
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