Quality/Performance Issues in Assassin's Creed: Unity [WCCF]

[f1sherman]

Couple of problems:

• Graphics is not balanced
  In the sense that it varies greatly. It's like sometimes there is real-time GI, and sometimes there isn't. This is very distracting.
  Honestly some images remind of ray tracing quality, and then some others are plain looking.

• LOD is way too aggressive
  On textures of all things! This can't be expensive to render, right? Yet sometimes far distant props are rendered with great details. Puzzling...

• Fog
  It's an optimization, image Q reducing feat I guess. Sometimes it's there and sometimes it isn't. Again contributing to IQ variation.

• Hair
  Not terrible, but it can be distractingly crude when the rest of scene is next-gen and smooth. But then again that pic?? Downsampling?

Faces are out of this world. PCSS and HBAO+ just top notch.
Now tessellation and lod-fix and we got ourselves a healthy leap forward in gaming graphics

 

[boozzer]

Yeah, I got to the low 30's with a single card running. Your claim was that two GTX980's suffered that fate. We can plainly see, it's untrue.

And as you continue to claims things it obviously becomes more bizarre. You can obviously see that I am scoring double what you claim a new Intel 8-core CPU + 980SLI gets. Who is this "guy" you keep referring to. I'd like to speak with him if possible.

this "guy" is a pcmaster race enthusiast dude spends more money on his pc than his car. I personally don't understand either group :\ I am happy with just a single 290 :biggrin:

let me point you to another guy, totalbiscuit, he does really good first looks on pc games, spends a good amount of time in the beginning of his videos going over game settings. TB just got a new pc similar to that "guy" TB's anecdoctal evidence is similar to that "guy"

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpzT5V5Mgs&list=UUy1Ms_5qBTawC-k7PVjHXKQ forgot to link TB's video.

 

[monstercameron]

Couple of problems:

• Graphics is not balanced
  In the sense that it varies greatly. It's like sometimes there is real-time GI, and sometimes there isn't. This is very distracting.
  Honestly some images remind of ray tracing quality, and then some others are plain looking.

• LOD is way too aggressive
  On textures of all things! This can't be expensive to render, right? Yet sometimes far distant props are rendered with great details. Puzzling...

• Fog
  It's an optimization, image Q reducing feat I guess. Sometimes it's there and sometimes it isn't. Again contributing to IQ variation.

• Hair
  Not terrible, but it can be distractingly crude when the rest of scene is next-gen and smooth. But then again that pic?? Downsampling?

Faces are out of this world. PCSS and HBAO+ just top notch.
Now tessellation and lod-fix and we got ourselves a healthy leap forward in gaming graphics

Pcss is very very good, better than most games I've seen.

 

[Keysplayr]

this "guy" is a pcmaster race enthusiast dude spends more money on his pc than his car. I personally don't understand either group :\ I am happy with just a single 290 :biggrin:

let me point you to another guy, totalbiscuit, he does really good first looks on pc games, spends a good amount of time in the beginning of his videos going over game settings. TB just got a new pc similar to that "guy" TB's anecdoctal evidence is similar to that "guy"

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpzT5V5Mgs&list=UUy1Ms_5qBTawC-k7PVjHXKQ forgot to link TB's video.

Cool. And I just recorded another vid for you. Running through town, and fighting. I climbed a building. I never looked up at vacant sky. framerates never even came close to 30. Hardly approached 40s. Usually maintained near 60fps. Well, you'll see.
Yeah, hook me up with your guy if you can. i don't care how much he spends on his rig, he is doing something very very wrong. If my rig can outscore him, he has a prob. Just saying, maybe we can help the dude out.

Video is uploading and processing. I'll publish the link in a few minutes.
Give it a little extra time for 1080p option to be available.

GTX980SLI FXAA Assassins Creed Unity all settings Ultra High.
http://youtu.be/ALtKiniMSoM

 

[Grooveriding]

this "guy" is a pcmaster race enthusiast dude spends more money on his pc than his car. I personally don't understand either group :\ I am happy with just a single 290 :biggrin:

let me point you to another guy, totalbiscuit, he does really good first looks on pc games, spends a good amount of time in the beginning of his videos going over game settings. TB just got a new pc similar to that "guy" TB's anecdoctal evidence is similar to that "guy"

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpzT5V5Mgs&list=UUy1Ms_5qBTawC-k7PVjHXKQ forgot to link TB's video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpzT5V5Mgs&t=6m45s

6:45s, 980SLI + 5930K @ 1080p and not even on max settings. What a disaster this game is. Thank goodness for reviewers like TB who are not just shills like so many game 'reviewers' are.

 

[boozzer]

Cool. And I just recorded another vid for you. Running through town, and fighting. I climbed a building. I never looked up at vacant sky. framerates never even came close to 30. Hardly approached 40s. Usually maintained near 60fps. Well, you'll see.
Yeah, hook me up with your guy if you can. i don't care how much he spends on his rig, he is doing something very very wrong. If my rig can outscore him, he has a prob. Just saying, maybe we can help the dude out.

Video is uploading and processing. I'll publish the link in a few minutes.

can't wait for your new vid.

about getting in touch with him, not possible. and I kinda don't want to. he would probably tell me to eff my self if I told him I found someone who can trouble shoot his pc :\ I can actually understand his pov though, as his beast of a machine chews through every single game he has got except this.

 

[tential]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpzT5V5Mgs&t=6m45s

6:45s, 980SLI + 5930K @ 1080p and not even on max settings. What a disaster this game is. Thank goodness for reviewers like TB who are not just shills like so many game 'reviewers' are.

Who's to say that he isn't catering to his own viewership? We all know ACUnity is a buggy game, and making a youtube stating something we all already know going in is going to be pretty boring. Only way to make it worthwhile is to sensationalize it.

Just playing the opposite here but I mean it's painfully obvious this game isn't running up to par. Why people are so adamant on defending it is beyond me.

If I had GTX 980 SLI I wouldn't be happy to get 60 FPS in the given scenarios I've seen and after watching Keysplayr's vid, GTX 980 SLI for that? I'd feel insulted to throw that much GPU horsepower to get that level of performance.

It's mindboggling to me that instead of GTX 980 SLI users being pissed off that they can't crank the settings (given their purchase $1000+ of GPUs), they're instead perfectly happy with 1080p/1440p with minimal AA and FPS below 60.

Maybe they're just happy they can run the game though and others can't.

 

[Keysplayr]

can't wait for your new vid.

about getting in touch with him, not possible. and I kinda don't want to. he would probably tell me to eff my self if I told him I found someone who can trouble shoot his pc :\ I can actually understand his pov though, as his beast of a machine chews through every single game he has got except this.

Just tell him my rig blows his rigs doors off. Then he'll want to talk.

Video is done uploading. Enjoy.
http://youtu.be/ALtKiniMSoM

 

[Keysplayr]

Who's to say that he isn't catering to his own viewership? We all know ACUnity is a buggy game, and making a youtube stating something we all already know going in is going to be pretty boring. Only way to make it worthwhile is to sensationalize it.

Just playing the opposite here but I mean it's painfully obvious this game isn't running up to par. Why people are so adamant on defending it is beyond me.

If I had GTX 980 SLI I wouldn't be happy to get 60 FPS in the given scenarios I've seen and after watching Keysplayr's vid, GTX 980 SLI for that? I'd feel insulted to throw that much GPU horsepower to get that level of performance.

It's mindboggling to me that instead of GTX 980 SLI users being pissed off that they can't crank the settings (given their purchase $1000+ of GPUs), they're instead perfectly happy with 1080p/1440p with minimal AA and FPS below 60.

Maybe they're just happy they can run the game though and others can't.

Tential, that isn't what is happening. I have my settings as high as I can possibly go and getting 60 on an inferior platform at 1200p. The game is perfectly playable at these settings at 1200p with ONE GTX980 at these settings let alone TWO. Yes, I certainly would like the game to be optimized further for higher framerates, but it's not 100% necessary for smooth gameplay in this particular title. I would rather Ubi entirely focus on the bugs and glitches.

 

[Grooveriding]

Who's to say that he isn't catering to his own viewership? We all know ACUnity is a buggy game, and making a youtube stating something we all already know going in is going to be pretty boring. Only way to make it worthwhile is to sensationalize it.

Just playing the opposite here but I mean it's painfully obvious this game isn't running up to par. Why people are so adamant on defending it is beyond me.

If I had GTX 980 SLI I wouldn't be happy to get 60 FPS in the given scenarios I've seen and after watching Keysplayr's vid, GTX 980 SLI for that? I'd feel insulted to throw that much GPU horsepower to get that level of performance.

It's mindboggling to me that instead of GTX 980 SLI users being pissed off that they can't crank the settings (given their purchase $1000+ of GPUs), they're instead perfectly happy with 1080p/1440p with minimal AA and FPS below 60.

Maybe they're just happy they can run the game though and others can't.

He certainly needs to eat. But he's a reviewer that goes out of his way to give it straight. Recently he started refusing to review games with embargoes that lift after launch time, so if they want him to review it, he will only do so if he can release his review prior to the game's launch. :thumbsup:

Meanwhile you have a company like Ubisoft enforcing review embargoes that have to lift after the game launches so they can release complete garbage like AC Unity and not lose sales to poor reviews.

 

[tential]

Tential, that isn't what is happening. I have my settings as high as I can possibly go and getting 60 on an inferior platform at 1200p. The game is perfectly playable at these settings at 1200p with ONE GTX980 at these settings let alone TWO. Yes, I certainly would like the game to be optimized further for higher framerates, but it's not 100% necessary for smooth gameplay in this particular title. I would rather Ubi entirely focus on the bugs and glitches.

To simplify it to the most basic of terms

GTX 980s SLI + Given Framerates + Settings Used + Actual Graphical Settings in game = Does not Compute

Bugs, Glitches, Optimization all need a LOT more work before I would say this is an actual finished product. The good thing is that it's possible to actually finish and Ubisoft has made some strides. Bad thing? They could have just released the game 2 weeks later than the launchdate (or just delayed the PC launch 2 weeks later) and not gotten the horrendous press.

 

[Keysplayr]

To simplify it to the most basic of terms

GTX 980s SLI + Given Framerates + Settings Used + Actual Graphical Settings in game = Does not Compute

Bugs, Glitches, Optimization all need a LOT more work before I would say this is an actual finished product. The good thing is that it's possible to actually finish and Ubisoft has made some strides. Bad thing? They could have just released the game 2 weeks later than the launchdate (or just delayed the PC launch 2 weeks later) and not gotten the horrendous press.

Yes I'd expect more. Better optimized. I think video games are becoming like factory recall risk assessment like automakers undergo. Is it worth it to fix something now in the factory costing billions or fix it later as a factory recall only costing millions after the vehicles are being sold and making money?
Probably a lot of corporate pressure especially so close to the holidays to "Get the game the heck on the market NOW!!!" Or be fired. Who knows.

 

[tential]

Yes I'd expect more. Better optimized. I think video games are becoming like factory recall risk assessment like automakers undergo. Is it worth it to fix something now in the factory costing billions or fix it later as a factory recall only costing millions after the vehicles are being sold and making money?
Probably a lot of corporate pressure especially so close to the holidays to "Get the game the heck on the market NOW!!!" Or be fired. Who knows.

Ya that's it really which is terrible.

How do I watch this video in 1080p/60 FPS on my 9800M GTS? Is it not possible? I've updated Chrome, Latest Nvidia Drivers, etc.

Do I need to be on Windows 8.1 or something?

Is a 9800M GTS not fast enough to decode Youtube Video at 60 FPS? Because I find that hard to believe

Edit: Had to update to Chrome 64bit beta and turn off hardware acceleration before I finally got 0 dropped frames. Dropped frames through probably give me a representation of what it would be like to play AC Unity on a 9800M GTS though lol. Game looks like such a mismatch of textures it's so disappointing. It definitely doesn't like like it's on "Ultra" but I guess that's because the crowd is lowquality and since there are so many people around it makes everything feel bad ugh.

 

[Final8ty]

He certainly needs to eat. But he's a reviewer that goes out of his way to give it straight. Recently he started refusing to review games with embargoes that lift after launch time, so if they want him to review it, he will only do so if he can release his review prior to the game's launch. :thumbsup:

Meanwhile you have a company like Ubisoft enforcing review embargoes that have to lift after the game launches so they can release complete garbage like AC Unity and not lose sales to poor reviews.

Also he was going to cann the review of the game as it was so bad but it was the people on twitter that told him to go forward with it because they wanted to know the ins and outs.

Ok I'm canning the WTF is of Assassins Creed Unity. This game crashes frequently, its an unoptimized mess and a waste of time
https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/532637023275065344

 

[f1sherman]

There is nothing uniquely bad about this launch, nor about the over-reaction that followed.
Activision, Bethesda, EA, Blizzard, everyone gets his dose of internet hate at one point or another.

Yes, even Valve.
Remember Please don't turn off your console shitstorm over masterpiece like Portal 2?
Haha that was insane - no brains, no clear thought; *DUH YOIU KNOW< STOPID COSNOLE&*#@ MURDERRRRR :biggrin:

If anything Ubi is more deserving of their hate-mail than many others.
They are victims of their own grandiose ambition - next-gen rendering of 18 century Paris and everything that comes with it.
Yet given 6 more months they would prolly do it.

But do do not think that anything will become of this.
So... why not simply play the game you love,
instead of obsessing over the game that's supposedly so bad that it can not be reviewed

 

[boozzer]

Tential, that isn't what is happening. I have my settings as high as I can possibly go and getting 60 on an inferior platform at 1200p. The game is perfectly playable at these settings at 1200p with ONE GTX980 at these settings let alone TWO. Yes, I certainly would like the game to be optimized further for higher framerates, but it's not 100% necessary for smooth gameplay in this particular title. I would rather Ubi entirely focus on the bugs and glitches.

game is a turd, and we all know it, ubi knows it.

this

Just playing the opposite here but I mean it's painfully obvious this game isn't running up to par. Why people are so adamant on defending it is beyond me.

If I had GTX 980 SLI I wouldn't be happy to get 60 FPS in the given scenarios I've seen and after watching Keysplayr's vid, GTX 980 SLI for that? I'd feel insulted to throw that much GPU horsepower to get that level of performance.

It's mindboggling to me that instead of GTX 980 SLI users being pissed off that they can't crank the settings (given their purchase $1000+ of GPUs), they're instead perfectly happy with 1080p/1440p with minimal AA and FPS below 60.

Maybe they're just happy they can run the game though and others can't.

sums everything up nicely.

 

[garagisti]

He certainly needs to eat. But he's a reviewer that goes out of his way to give it straight. Recently he started refusing to review games with embargoes that lift after launch time, so if they want him to review it, he will only do so if he can release his review prior to the game's launch. :thumbsup:

Meanwhile you have a company like Ubisoft enforcing review embargoes that have to lift after the game launches so they can release complete garbage like AC Unity and not lose sales to poor reviews.

Not that i particularly care for reviewers after learning that some sites were on dole from certain hardware vendors, and were pushing stories which could at best be summed up as dodgy. With what you mention of TB, i have to say, you have certainly gained my interest (for whatever it is worth).

I love AC series for a story line which intrigues me so far... never mind game play. Then again, with something as powerful as GTX980 SLI, or 290x CF, i would certainly expect better experience. Especially when no one would peg this a cut above Crysis 3 or Metro Last Light... The following is a benchmark of an OC'd single GTX980.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_980_strix_review,18.html
When playing Crysis 3 with the hardware kit mentioned, it can actually get 60+ fps at a resolution of 1920x1200. Surely AC hasn't topped Crysis, so why so much dependence on hardware? The answer is simple, Unity is a poorly coded pile of steaming poop.

People were very quick to slam EA for BF4. The same lot is not taking Ubisoft to task... and i properly do wonder, why would it be so? Could it be because it is a Gameworks title? Heck, even Watchdogs wasn't panned as badly as EA was criticised for BF4. Visuals are i guess a toss between the two (BF4 and Unity), but that said, BF4 is a year old game. I genuinely think that Ubisoft should be taken to task now. I actually feel betrayed by a publisher whose games were my absolute favourites once upon a time. They weren't perfect, but never felt screwed... till AC DX 10.1 fiasco.

edit: the million/ billion/ trillion dollar question is, will the lot defending Unity here have reacted the same way if it were a Gaming Evolved/Mantle title?

 

[garagisti]

Yes I'd expect more. Better optimized. I think video games are becoming like factory recall risk assessment like automakers undergo. Is it worth it to fix something now in the factory costing billions or fix it later as a factory recall only costing millions after the vehicles are being sold and making money?
Probably a lot of corporate pressure especially so close to the holidays to "Get the game the heck on the market NOW!!!" Or be fired. Who knows.

We all knew this is what happened with BF4 and everyone and their dog took the publishers to task. What really bothers me is that a lot here is defending the publisher, when they've done a job, which actually makes BF4 launch look like a good one. Same with Watchdogs... Ubi needs to be told off.

 

[96Firebird]

Which version of the game did this TotalBiscuit character review?

 

[Keysplayr]

We all knew this is what happened with BF4 and everyone and their dog took the publishers to task. What really bothers me is that a lot here is defending the publisher, when they've done a job, which actually makes BF4 launch look like a good one. Same with Watchdogs... Ubi needs to be told off.

Wait, who is defending the publisher?

 

[monstercameron]

Which version of the game did this TotalBiscuit character review?

No reviews yet, he said that he was waiting.

 

[x3sphere]

Not that i particularly care for reviewers after learning that some sites were on dole from certain hardware vendors, and were pushing stories which could at best be summed up as dodgy. With what you mention of TB, i have to say, you have certainly gained my interest (for whatever it is worth).

I love AC series for a story line which intrigues me so far... never mind game play. Then again, with something as powerful as GTX980 SLI, or 290x CF, i would certainly expect better experience. Especially when no one would peg this a cut above Crysis 3 or Metro Last Light... The following is a benchmark of an OC'd single GTX980.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_980_strix_review,18.html
When playing Crysis 3 with the hardware kit mentioned, it can actually get 60+ fps at a resolution of 1920x1200. Surely AC hasn't topped Crysis, so why so much dependence on hardware? The answer is simple, Unity is a poorly coded pile of steaming poop.

People were very quick to slam EA for BF4. The same lot is not taking Ubisoft to task... and i properly do wonder, why would it be so? Could it be because it is a Gameworks title? Heck, even Watchdogs wasn't panned as badly as EA was criticised for BF4. Visuals are i guess a toss between the two (BF4 and Unity), but that said, BF4 is a year old game. I genuinely think that Ubisoft should be taken to task now. I actually feel betrayed by a publisher whose games were my absolute favourites once upon a time. They weren't perfect, but never felt screwed... till AC DX 10.1 fiasco.

edit: the million/ billion/ trillion dollar question is, will the lot defending Unity here have reacted the same way if it were a Gaming Evolved/Mantle title?

Not defending the performance but I actually think this game looks as good as Crysis 3 at times.

http://i.picpar.com/6Rhb.png
http://i.picpar.com/8Rhb.png
http://i.picpar.com/9Rhb.png

^ some screens I took. Also, remember that Unity is open world. For the most part, Crysis 3 is a linear shooter and has nowhere near the amount of AI processing going on.

The game runs fine here at 3440x1440 on a single 980. I'm locked at 30 FPS, rarely dips below that. I would like to have 60 but 30 doesn't ruin the experience in this kind of game for me. It runs a lot better than Watch_Dogs which had very severe stuttering issues.

 

[Carfax83]

So those pics are from a High Res Screenshot thread and aren't representative of what you'd see in actual gameplay. I've seen GREAT screenshots but when I see gameplay it looks like Keysplayr and your screenshots. Rubbish.

I'm starting to think you're trolling us now.. What difference does it make whether they are from a high rez screenshot thread?

Have the screenshots been tampered with? Are they marketing bullshots from Ubisoft?

The answer to both questions is no. They are gameplay screenshots from people that have the game. And since you don't have the game yourself, you're hardly in a position to tell people like me who actually do have the game how the game actually looks.

These screens were taken with the INTENTION of looking cinematic so I don't see your point in posting them. They weren't taken with an intention of showing what it'd look like in actual gameplay.

They were taken during gameplay sessions, end of story.. If you can't get that, then I'm done conversing with you because your mind is set on wanting to believe the game doesn't look good and you're coming up with ridiculous reasons to justify your belief..

Edit: If we're only just taking Screens as to what the "best looking game is" we can find tons of highly modded Skyrim screens out there. Doesn't mean those screens are playable.

What the hell does Skyrim have to do with this? AC Unity just came out less than a week ago, and there are no mods for it, and probably will never be any mods.

 

[Carfax83]

Not defending the performance but I actually think this game looks as good as Crysis 3 at times.

http://i.picpar.com/6Rhb.png
http://i.picpar.com/8Rhb.png
http://i.picpar.com/9Rhb.png

^ some screens I took. Also, remember that Unity is open world. For the most part, Crysis 3 is a linear shooter and has nowhere near the amount of AI processing going on.

The game runs fine here at 3440x1440 on a single 980. I'm locked at 30 FPS, rarely dips below that. I would like to have 60 but 30 doesn't ruin the experience in this kind of game for me. It runs a lot better than Watch_Dogs which had very severe stuttering issues.

Oh God my eyes! I have never seen such pieces of turds in all my life. They look like something from a DX7 game or something.

Just look at the woman's hair in the last screenshot. Looks totally fake and unrealistic. Why did you even bother to post such rubbish screenshots?!

Crysis 3 looks way better, even though it's a linear segmented shooter with not even 1/4 of the assets in AC Unity, and no PBR. Like I said, just rubbish. Total waste of my time to even click on those links!

 

[Keysplayr]

Not defending the performance but I actually think this game looks as good as Crysis 3 at times.

http://i.picpar.com/6Rhb.png
http://i.picpar.com/8Rhb.png
http://i.picpar.com/9Rhb.png

^ some screens I took. Also, remember that Unity is open world. For the most part, Crysis 3 is a linear shooter and has nowhere near the amount of AI processing going on.

The game runs fine here at 3440x1440 on a single 980. I'm locked at 30 FPS, rarely dips below that. I would like to have 60 but 30 doesn't ruin the experience in this kind of game for me. It runs a lot better than Watch_Dogs which had very severe stuttering issues.

Yeah I've taken notice to the extreme beauty and details in the ACUnity world. The crazy thing is people will look at your screen shots and call them a hot mess. Weird right? The detail level is astounding.

As far as the game bugs, Ubi is being highly pressured to get them fixed, hence the 1st patch being released already. There will be more I'm sure.

And Erenhardt, what do you think of the faces that aren't taken from an alpha or beta stage game? Or from a bug? Outstanding right? Go ahead and say it isn't and give us all a good laugh.
You might call this defending the author to try to support some sort of argument, but it isn't at all. It's defending the games beautiful detail and the massive work that went into it. Because you know it didn't come easy. That took time.
Not enough to kill the bugs, but the artwork is grand.