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Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

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Heartbreaker said:
Intel and AMD should be preparing their own WinARM chips if they want to remain relevant.

I've been thinking for a while this is inevitable. While x86 will stay on top for Windows for a few more years, WinARM is going to keep growing until it's an equal citizen. Then MANY more players will be able to compete for the Windows SoC/CPU business.
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Compatibility is key, price is key. Right now I doubt compatibility is good enough for either companies buying these or anybody but the most basic users. he issue with the later is they don't care about performance but price and from what we have heard about QQ being very inflexible in regard to the power management IP making things more expensive than needed, the will not at all be able to compete with budget x86 offerings. You can get a convertible AMD/intel base laptop with 32 ram and 1 tb ssd for like $900. The iGPU in these is overpowered already for 95% of use-cases.

Let's wait for metero-lake that is going in the right direction and will be the competitor of this part.
 
Glo. said:
John Bruno, Vice President of Enginnering at Qualcomm.

Or is it just a coincidental nick?

😛
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We've got someone around here using the username "John Carmack" so you never know (no I don't think he's the real John Carmack). And at one point we had JonnyGuru. So you know, maybe.

If it is them I hope they're careful about what they post here, because getting in trouble with the boss on our account would not be fun.
 
beginner99 said:
Compatibility is key, price is key. Right now I doubt compatibility is good enough for either companies buying these or anybody but the most basic users. he issue with the later is they don't care about performance but price and from what we have heard about QQ being very inflexible in regard to the power management IP making things more expensive than needed, the will not at all be able to compete with budget x86 offerings. You can get a convertible AMD/intel base laptop with 32 ram and 1 tb ssd for like $900. The iGPU in these is overpowered already for 95% of use-cases.

Let's wait for metero-lake that is going in the right direction and will be the competitor of this part.
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You can simply scale mobile APPS which are already running on ARM architecture, and run them on bare metal, without any translation required.

There is so much more apps for ARM than it is for x86. Most of them are low quality apps, but still...
 
beginner99 said:
Compatibility is key, price is key. Right now I doubt compatibility is good enough for either companies buying these or anybody but the most basic users. he issue with the later is they don't care about performance but price and from what we have heard about QQ being very inflexible in regard to the power management IP making things more expensive than needed, the will not at all be able to compete with budget x86 offerings. You can get a convertible AMD/intel base laptop with 32 ram and 1 tb ssd for like $900. The iGPU in these is overpowered already for 95% of use-cases.

Let's wait for metero-lake that is going in the right direction and will be the competitor of this part.
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I didn't say it was going to happen overnight. I said x86 will stay on top for a few more years.

But you don't start preparing for the future, by waiting for the future to show up and bite you.

Once ARM is on a more even footing on Windows, there are potentially many more competitors. Right now it's largely a Duopoly for Windows CPUs. But when ARM takes off for Windows, that can expand to include Qualcomm, NVidia, Samsung, on the high end. While MediaTek and smaller players will gobble up the low end with lower margin parts.

It's going to be a much more brutal landscape for the former Duopoly members.
 
FlameTail said:
Also looks like it has an integrated 5G modem, which will further drive up the cost
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That is big differentiator tho. Try buying "any" >=LTE modem equipped laptops and you will see why. And in the past even the ones that had such addon modems sometimes had nasty problems with drivers.
Having 1st party modem in SoC is big deal. If Microsoft can take care of compat for x64 business apps, "peak" perf will not matter that much.
 
Glo. said:
There is so much more apps for ARM than it is for x86. Most of them are low quality apps, but still...
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Not just low quality but copies, especially where there is OSS code and sometimes where a sneaky fellow is trying to profit from it under a different name.
 
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