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Question Qualcomm's first Nuvia based SoC - Hamoa

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Let’s say that Qualcomm makes a hardware-competitive product to Apple’s, what about the software side? They depend on the slow and sluggish Microsoft, and it will take a lot of time for it to be at 50% level of macOS, Apple is engaged in the whole design of both hardware and software, and Qualcomm can’t compete with them.
 
FangBLade said:
Let’s say that Qualcomm makes a hardware-competitive product to Apple’s, what about the software side? They depend on the slow and sluggish Microsoft, and it will take a lot of time for it to be at 50% level of macOS, Apple is engaged in the whole design of both hardware and software, and Qualcomm can’t compete with them.
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People reported WinARM running in Parallels on ARM Macs was a pretty good experience, then if Qualcomm is as good, it should be at least as good, probably better because it will be native, not running in Parallels.
 
Heartbreaker said:
People reported WinARM running in Parallels on ARM Macs was a pretty good experience, then if Qualcomm is as good, it should be at least as good, probably better because it will be native, not running in Parallels.
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FlameTail said:
@Gerard Williams @John Bruno

Now that Qualcomm is entering the PC space, what will be their Team colour?

Intel = Team Blue
AMD = Team Red
Nvidia = Team Green
Qualcomm = ??
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They where using gold
 
Heartbreaker said:
People reported WinARM running in Parallels on ARM Macs was a pretty good experience, then if Qualcomm is as good, it should be at least as good, probably better because it will be native, not running in Parallels.
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Exactly.

The problem of performance is not software-sided, is the hardware that is generations behind.
 
capricornsunvoyager2 said:
Exactly.

The problem of performance is not software-sided, is the hardware that is generations behind.
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*The problem is software sided - namely a lack of attractive native big name apps on the platform.

At the moment there just isn't a whole lot of reason to be running WinARM solutions instead, as the big players have yet to migrate their software to run with ARM64 SoC's on the Windows platform.

There's also the issue of variability with ARM SoC's vs Apple's fully self controlled product stack.

The server side of ARM hardware has been more or less standardised now with specs drawn up about the same time that the first Neoverse IP was being announced.

Unfortunately I don't think the consumer/client side of ARM hardware yet has an equivalent standard for SoC designers to rally behind, and that variability may make WinARM a tougher sell for big app makers like Autodesk etc if they have to worry about non QC SoC's b0rking their software in the future when QC stops getting their red carpet treatment for the platform.
 
DrMrLordX said:
We've got someone around here using the username "John Carmack" so you never know (no I don't think he's the real John Carmack). And at one point we had JonnyGuru. So you know, maybe.

If it is them I hope they're careful about what they post here, because getting in trouble with the boss on our account would not be fun.
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Carmack frequents (or used to frequent) certain discussion boards so I wouldn't be surprised if it was really him.
 
JoeRambo said:
That is big differentiator tho. Try buying "any" >=LTE modem equipped laptops and you will see why. And in the past even the ones that had such addon modems sometimes had nasty problems with drivers.
Having 1st party modem in SoC is big deal. If Microsoft can take care of compat for x64 business apps, "peak" perf will not matter that much.
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Have to agree for this one. for the traveling upper management crowd that uses email, chat/meeting app and power point 99% of the time, this seems like a good device.
 
JoeRambo said:
That is big differentiator tho. Try buying "any" >=LTE modem equipped laptops and you will see why. And in the past even the ones that had such addon modems sometimes had nasty problems with drivers.
Having 1st party modem in SoC is big deal. If Microsoft can take care of compat for x64 business apps, "peak" perf will not matter that much.
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Most people don't want or need a modem in their laptop. That's just signing you up for another contract with the phone company, which will cost you hundreds of dollars over time. WiFi works for the majority of use cases.
 
NTMBK said:
Most people don't want or need a modem in their laptop. That's just signing you up for another contract with the phone company, which will cost you hundreds of dollars over time. WiFi works for the majority of use cases.
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Depend with country, nowadays 5G is used as broadband and you can get unlimited packages for cheap.
 
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NVIDIA’s push into the consumer CPU market NVIDIA, as reported by Reuters, is discreetly in the process of designing new chips tailored for personal computers, with the aim of challenging the well-established CPU market. Sources familiar with the matter have informed Reuters that NVIDIA is...
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AMD must be using Jim Keller's ARM design to iterate upon for their M3 killer. I think there's a very real possibility that it will be the first ARM SoC to come with a huge V-cache as standard.
 
igor_kavinski said:
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NVIDIA and AMD reportedly working on ARM-based processors for PCs - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA’s push into the consumer CPU market NVIDIA, as reported by Reuters, is discreetly in the process of designing new chips tailored for personal computers, with the aim of challenging the well-established CPU market. Sources familiar with the matter have informed Reuters that NVIDIA is...
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AMD must be using Jim Keller's ARM design to iterate upon for their M3 killer. I think there's a very real possibility that it will be the first ARM SoC to come with a huge V-cache as standard.
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Oryon (Nuvia) vs AMD vs Nvidia vs Apple Silicon vs (ARM) Cortex

ARM CPU showdown🔥
 
Dayum. It's spicy times for CPUs.

It's my great sorrow😥 that we will not have great reviews of these CPUs like the ones Dr. Ian Cutress and Andrei Frumusanu did in their time at Anandtech.
 
Thibsie said:
Where ? I'd like to know....
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Finland. Cheap unlimited mobile data has been a thing here since 3G. This is a large country for 5M but mobile network covers pretty much the whole country. It makes much sense to use that since they aren't going to build fibre network to your summer cottage for free.
 
Tup3x said:
Cheap unlimited mobile data has been a thing
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In Germany it's the exact opposite, unlimited mobile data still doesn't exist and metered mobile data is still very expensive. Some packages get "cheaper" including "luxurious" included mobile data like 6GB per months. At the current rate the availability and coverage of free WiFi by cities and states is spreading faster than cheaper mobile data here.
 
moinmoin said:
In Germany it's the exact opposite, unlimited mobile data still doesn't exist and metered mobile data is still very expensive. Some packages get "cheaper" including "luxurious" included mobile data like 6GB per months. At the current rate the availability and coverage of free WiFi by cities and states is spreading faster than cheaper mobile data here.
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Currently I pay 17,90 € / month (inc. 24 % VAT) and it includes unlimited messages, calls and 4G data up to 150 Mbit/s. Generally speaking, the more you pay the better speeds you get.
 
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