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DZero

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adroc_thurston said:
People that actually build phone SoCs would crucify you for this statement.
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Also, the emulator developers would have a word with the one who made the statement.

Meanwhile, I can see why Apple can't get enough incentives to improve their CPUs, the PC ports of the games ended to be a failure and yeah... that's one of the scenarios it needs to fully use the CPU and GPU

appleinsider.com

High-priced flops: AAA games promoted by Apple fail to get sales

Confirming the fairly obvious, analysis of major iOS game launches including "Death Stranding" and "Assassin's Creed Mirage" has revealed that pricing games at console levels simply doesn't work in the App Store.
appleinsider.com appleinsider.com
 
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adroc_thurston said:
People that actually build phone SoCs would crucify you for this statement.
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Well, it wouldn’t be the first time someone has been crucified for telling the truth.

From a user perspective that’s mostly what matters, battery life and stand by drain.
 
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poke01 said:
Well, it wouldn’t be the first time someone has been crucified for telling the truth.

From a user perspective that’s mostly what matters, battery life and stand by drain.
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Remember, is a PHONE, without good signal, does not matter battery life at the 1st place.
 
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okoroezenwa said:
Eh, for some. For others good WiFi will do.
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Sad story, since is a phone, signal is top. Reason? remember that we use the phones mainly for calls, the wifi is 3rd or 4th place if we consider battery life and stand by drain. Heck, even performance could be on the same tier.
 
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DZero said:
Also, the emulator developers would have a word with the one who made the statement.

Meanwhile, I can see why Apple can't get enough incentives to improve their CPUs, the PC ports of the games ended to be a failure and yeah... that's one of the scenarios it needs to fully use the CPU and GPU

appleinsider.com

High-priced flops: AAA games promoted by Apple fail to get sales

Confirming the fairly obvious, analysis of major iOS game launches including "Death Stranding" and "Assassin's Creed Mirage" has revealed that pricing games at console levels simply doesn't work in the App Store.
appleinsider.com appleinsider.com
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Nobody buys Apple devices TO play games. On the other hand, people buy game consoles, buy PCs, and build PCs to play games.
Lots of Apple users have a game console or even a PC just for the games. IF they are into games.
As an example, I used to play games decades ago. And, I used to build my own PCs. None of that interests me anymore. I have other things I'd rather be doing, like working on microcontroller, robotics, other programming/scripting projects, etc.

Plus, having AAA games released on Apple devices months after the PC or console releases is not a winning formula. The hype has died off and most have already played the games on their consoles/PCs.
 
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Doug S said:
Who cares if Apple wins or loses in MT? If Apple went to 8 cores and took back the MT crown and the competition responded by going to 10 would you be saying Apple needs to go to 10? Does winning a benchmark, especially a MT benchmark, mean ANYTHING in the smartphone world?

Sure winning at MT is meaningful in the PC world because there are real world workflows that can use up all the MT performance you can muster. Such workflows are the exception rather than the rule, but they definitely exist and they are definitely important to those who run those types of loads.

There aren't any real world workflows on a phone that can soak up all the MT you can offer. There are just benchmarks for bragging rights in internet forums. Someone ought to develop a long running MT benchmark for phones, so we can see how much MT performance suffers if you leave it running flat out for a while. Then maybe people will realize how ridiculous it is to even be comparing phone SoCs in MT.
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What about perfomace at low power?

Unlike desktop phone has limit of power consumption, usual can sustain around 5W, for more than 3 years now perfomance of Apple soc is almost same at Low power, in 2022 Apple was like twice efficient at low power but now 8 elite and D9400 managed to catchup.

Also those AAA games which Apple anounced aren't they choppy and most of them can't even sustain 30fps? Wouldn't more power at 5w help them?
 
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hemedans said:
What about perfomace at low power?

Unlike desktop phone has limit of power consumption, usual can sustain around 5W, for more than 3 years now perfomance of Apple soc is almost same at Low power, in 2022 Apple was like twice efficient at low power but now 8 elite and D9400 managed to catchup.

Also those AAA games which Apple anounced aren't they choppy and most of them can't even sustain 30fps? Wouldn't more power at 5w help them?
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Where's your evidence that those AAA games you're talking about are CPU limited rather than GPU limited?
 
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Doug S said:
Where's your evidence that those AAA games you're talking about are CPU limited rather than GPU limited?
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Well...

The graphics are so low quality that definately might be run by CPU and still has some choppyness... since it's not fully optimized and is not using more GPU power since it can. Or can run at 60 FPS without issues
 
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It's funny that the video is placing the blame of the lower resolution on Capcom. What a lamer/loser. You don't need to "update" a game for higher resolution. It's just a setting. Change it and it runs at the higher resolution. It's reduced because the phone probably can't handle anything higher smoothly.
 
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Doug S said:
Where's your evidence that those AAA games you're talking about are CPU limited rather than GPU limited?
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If you get 30fps at high and low graphics settings you are limited with cpu, Majority of mobile games are cpu limited.
 
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Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 is not long enough.

Snapdragon Eight Elite Generation Five is where it's at. Snapdragon Eight Elite Generation Five for Samsung is even better.
 
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StinkyPinky said:
Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 is not long enough.

Snapdragon Eight Elite Generation Five is where it's at. Snapdragon Eight Elite Generation Five for Samsung is even better.
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Antirrhinum Majus Eight Elite Generation Five Leading Edition
 
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www.qualcomm.com

Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5: The name, the power, the why | Qualcomm

Learn about the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 naming and its significance as the latest premium mobile platform. Understand Qualcomm's new generation strategy.
www.qualcomm.com www.qualcomm.com

Got it, numbers mean nothing.... :rolleyes:

Does it mean upcoming SD X Elite will jump to Gen5 ??? Qualcomm already align the smartphone and mobile SoC as one architecture; just like Apple A19 and M5 series will share same architecture.
 
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Tigerick said:
Does it mean upcoming SD X Elite will jump to Gen5 ???
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I'm not going to pretend I understand QC's naming schemes, but I doubt it. 8 Elite 2 will be 8 Elite Gen 5 because it's they're aligning it with the 8 Gen X nomenclature they were using for their top end smartphone product until last year.

X Elite is a brand new product line, so Gen 5 would make no sense. It will probably be X Elite Gen 2 (also with X Plus Gen 2, and X Gen 2).
 
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BTW, Xiaomi is also skipping the number 16 and jumping at 17 to match the iPhone with their next phones.

Now they only need to name the next version of their "OS" HyperOS 26.
 
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I find it hard to get excited for Qualcomm's conference. Basically it will be just a lot of AI, 1 summary slide per chip why these are awesome and if we are lucky some actual performance comparisons. I think AMD and Intel are doing better than ARM folks here, as they release at least some details about the chips so you don't have to look through bunch of manuals some might be NDA'ed at the time to get at least vague idea how the chip is built.

But who knows, maybe I will be positively surprised when reading post conference press materials.
 
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If they have a winner, they are in pretty good position. Competitors have nothing launching in the near future that offer anything meaningful over what they currently have. Well, Intel might.
 
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