Q6600>Phenom II X6 ?

[spdfreak]

yes, that's why I got it. well, that and we needed another computer at work so it was an excuse for me to upgrade for nothing.




not sure what type of performance you need, but gtx 460 768 has been in the 140-160 range for a while and is much faster than amd's cards in that price range.

I don't need anything more that a netbook for most of the stuff I do, but when I want to convert a HD movie I recorded to a MKV file, I can use all the cores and horsepower available. This should be outstanding for that...

I'm pretty brand agnostic when it comes to video cards but I think I might want to do eyefinity for some flight sims. I think Xplane and Flight sim X both support multicore cpus, so this might be good all the way around.

 

[ModestGamer]

Doesn't matter what you own, you're spouting nonsense. 3.2Ghz Phenom II vs 3.2Ghz Core 2 Quad: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=48 Intel wins in performance, the end. There is no debate, you can't even try.

the spread isn't as big as your implying, some of those programs that get run are compiled with ICC and others are not.

Beilive whatever hype you like. Its your money.

 

[bryanW1995]

:thumbsup: How does it compare to i7 920 @ 4.2 in SETI Bryan?

BTW, newegg has i5 760 for http://slickdeals.net/?pno=39663&lno=1&afsrc=1Intel Core i5-760 2.8GHz Socket 1156 Quad-Core Desktop Processor (Retail)for $170.99 when you enter code EMCYTZT162 at checkout. Pretty good deal too!

dunno, I didn't do my homework and got a mobo that doesn't oc. rma'd it and got a gigabyte 890fx mobo today, will install cpu tomorrow and commence overclocking.

besides, I wouldn't know anyway b/c seti had an AC failure in their server closet and can't seem to catch up with the backlog. good thing I have aqua as a backup!

I'll give you the info once I have it however.

I don't need anything more that a netbook for most of the stuff I do, but when I want to convert a HD movie I recorded to a MKV file, I can use all the cores and horsepower available. This should be outstanding for that...

I'm pretty brand agnostic when it comes to video cards but I think I might want to do eyefinity for some flight sims. I think Xplane and Flight sim X both support multicore cpus, so this might be good all the way around.

flight sim is very core dependent, you should see a solid improvement just from the 6 cores. if you're looking at eyefinity then you need to spend more than $150; look at 6xxx when details are released in mid oct.

 

[spdfreak]

OK, so I have the new memory installed and I want to play around with OCing it a bit before I move everything over to it. AMD OD says that VID is 1.3v and I want to OC it as much as possible on stock volts and keep CnQ working as well as turbo mode. I can simply use the dip switches on the MB which will do 10, 15 and 20% OC, but is this the best way to do it or should I use bios settings? Recommendations?

 

[spdfreak]

A quick encoding test... 605MB 1080p HD video clip transcoded to mp4 using handbrake and identical settings- 22 minutes on the Q6600 system (2.8GHz, 4GB RAM) and 15 minutes on the new 1075T system (3.0 GHz, 4 GB RAM)

 

[RussianSensation]

Beilive whatever hype you like. Its your money.

Civilization 5 is another game to add to the list of Dragon Age Origins, GTAIV, Far Cry 2, Arma2, World in Conflict, RE5 where AMD is not a contender. Even the X6 gets beaten by a 'lowly' i3 540, nevermind a Core i5 750. While I fully support X6 processors for multi-threaded workload like distributed computing, rendering, video encoding, for gaming AMD is not a contender unless you can get a free mobo from Fry's/Microcenter with it to sweeten the price/performance.

 

[ShawnD1]

No, when the benchmarks are compiled on a compiler which purposefully defeats standard chip features on non intel hardware "the intel compiler is used for most benchmark software" then your going to get skewed inaccrurate results.

Didn't we already debunk this one before? Microsoft's compiler is waaaaaaaay more common than Intel's compiler. Most stuff shows Intel slightly faster than AMD. The only program I remember being hardcore skewed in favor of Intel was Far Cry 2.

 

[crucibelle]

Both AMD & Intel processors are great. If you have the money, I can see why one would choose Intel. On the other hand, AMD has great bang for buck value. And the performance of an AMD chip is not THAT bad compared to an Intel. Bickering over whether Intel or AMD is better is pretty dumb & juvenile, IMO.

 

[spdfreak]

Both AMD & Intel processors are great. If you have the money, I can see why one would choose Intel. On the other hand, AMD has great bang for buck value. And the performance of an AMD chip is not THAT bad compared to an Intel. Bickering over whether Intel or AMD is better is pretty dumb & juvenile, IMO.

Yeah, I have less than 300.00 invested in this new system and my old stuff is sold for 250.00, so it is quite the bang for the buck. Q6600's still bring good money...

OCed the 1075T to 3.5GHz (250x14) on stock volts and still super low temps- 20C idle and 42 load. Seems to actually be lower than right after I built it.

 

[Face2Face]

This is not a 6-core story! But I went from a Q6600 @ 3.2 to a PH II @3.6 and Noticed not a damn thing. Yeah my benches were a little higher --- Who cares?? Not worth the money. The Q6600 is a keeper until the next gen CPU's come out. ..

 

[bryanW1995]

Yeah, I have less than 300.00 invested in this new system and my old stuff is sold for 250.00, so it is quite the bang for the buck. Q6600's still bring good money...

OCed the 1075T to 3.5GHz (250x14) on stock volts and still super low temps- 20C idle and 42 load. Seems to actually be lower than right after I built it.

watch out on the temps. core temp recommends a 15c offset. cpuid shows the same temp as coretemp in one section but in another it is typically 12-17c higher. I wasn't too thrilled when I couldn't get coretemp to display more than one temp, but come to find out there is only one diode anyway. not sure how they can get each individual temp on a single diode, but that's how they do it. very annoying.

I'm using a freezer pro. at 3.5 ghz my temps got a little out of control, think ~ 100c with the 15c offset. went back to 3.25 and lowered vcore back to stock, temps much better now.

What are you using for cooling solution?

 

[bigpimpatl]

stop hijacking this guy's thread with your nonsense fanboy amd vs intel war. Make a thread about it in OT and do battle over there.

as for OP, I would have tried to OC that Q6600 a little more before giving up on it. But if you bought new setup for $300 and sold old for $250, then you're waaaaay ahead of the game. good job and have fun.

 

[Axon]

AMD is good. Intel is better. As to price v. performance, that's a case by case analysis in my eyes. An X4 955 at $140 would more than do the job for me, but all I do is play SC2 and WoW.

As to the Q6600, it's still a shockingly good chip. As are many of the better socket 775 CPUs. Still, I'd make a change at this point and sell the Q6600 while its value is still decent.

 

[spdfreak]

This is not a 6-core story! But I went from a Q6600 @ 3.2 to a PH II @3.6 and Noticed not a damn thing. Yeah my benches were a little higher --- Who cares?? Not worth the money. The Q6600 is a keeper until the next gen CPU's come out. ..

If you look at the posts above, I show the difference in encoding performance. After OCing it to 3.5, the difference is even greater. No one needs cpu's like this for normal everyday tasks. But for certain things, it makes a big difference. The Q6600 will probably go down in history as one of the great cpu's, but time does march on...

 

[spdfreak]

watch out on the temps. core temp recommends a 15c offset. cpuid shows the same temp as coretemp in one section but in another it is typically 12-17c higher. I wasn't too thrilled when I couldn't get coretemp to display more than one temp, but come to find out there is only one diode anyway. not sure how they can get each individual temp on a single diode, but that's how they do it. very annoying.

I'm using a freezer pro. at 3.5 ghz my temps got a little out of control, think ~ 100c with the 15c offset. went back to 3.25 and lowered vcore back to stock, temps much better now.

What are you using for cooling solution?

I'm using the stock cooler and AMD OD to measure temps. Hopefully, AMD knows how to measure their own temps accurately. At any rate, it is only 1-2 deg hotter OCed to 3.5 (stock volts) compared to stock. I transcoded a 14GB movie file last night to MKV and it was typically running 80-90% cpu on all cores and about 38C according to OD.

 

[busydude]

I'm using the stock cooler and AMD OD to measure temps. Hopefully, AMD knows how to measure their own temps accurately.

Nop, OD does not measure temps accurately.

This summer I actually tested the offset and as Bryan pointed out, its close to 15C. I activated the option "Beep/Alert when CPU temps exceed 60C" and started playing, the system started beeping when the temps in OD were 45-47C.

 

[spdfreak]

Nop, OD does not measure temps accurately.

This summer I actually tested the offset and as Bryan pointed out, its close to 15C. I activated the option "Beep/Alert when CPU temps exceed 60C" and started playing, the system started beeping when the temps in OD were 45-47C.

How do you know what the offset is? Are you comparing it to what is reported in the bios? Seems like all of the temp monitoring programs read something different.

 

[busydude]

How do you know what the offset is? Are you comparing it to what is reported in the bios? Seems like all of the temp monitoring programs read something different.

There is no exact way to measure the offset TMK. Its just works for me, I mean when the temps in OD reach 45C the system starts beeping, Does that mean my CPU is at 60C? I really don't know, but its better to be safe than sorry.

 

[tommo123]

i have ther Q6600 and the 1055t. day to day there's no diff obviously (same with my old E6600) but encoding with MEGUI/x264 or handbrake, the X6 is twice (or more) as fast as the Q6600 for some reason with the same content.

 

[spdfreak]

There is no exact way to measure the offset TMK. Its just works for me, I mean when the temps in OD reach 45C the system starts beeping, Does that mean my CPU is at 60C? I really don't know, but its better to be safe than sorry.

I tried using HWmonitor and it reads exactly the same as OD. But, they are obviously wrong since they report temps that are below ambient room temp. It would be nice to find something accurate. Even the temp reported in the bios seems too low to be real.

 

[busydude]

I tried using HWmonitor and it reads exactly the same as OD

I also used HWmonitor, the temps shown in the green box are closest to the ones shown in my BIOS. In my case the temps displayed there seems to be realistic.

There is only one sensor on the entire chip to measure the temps.. and its not an accurate one.. AMD uses a formula to determine the temps of each core(which obviously is not accurately displayed).. and unfortunately no one knows the formula.. AMD did not disclose any technical info on that.

 

[spdfreak]

I just went from a q9450 to an x6 1055t, kept same case/hd/etc, just changed out mobo and cpu. system immediately booted up with no problems at all (at least after I was able to borrow a cpu to flash the bios ). your mobo will almost certainly require a bios flash as well, if you can't borrow a cpu for that then contact the manufacturer and ask them for an updated bios chip (foxconn offered to send me one for free if I couldn't get it to work).

I'm guessing I should probably uninstall the Nvidia SATA controllers, video card drivers and audio? Anything else.

 

[spdfreak]

I swapped the boot drive into the new system and everything went smoothly... Now I want to tweak it for best performance. Currently it is running at 3.5GHz (250 FSB) at default voltage (1.3). I'm running 6GB of 1333 memory that does not seem to OC well so I need to use ratios that keep the memory very near rated speeds. Any suggestions?

 

[jihe]

Civilization 5 is another game to add to the list of Dragon Age Origins, GTAIV, Far Cry 2, Arma2, World in Conflict, RE5 where AMD is not a contender. Even the X6 gets beaten by a 'lowly' i3 540, nevermind a Core i5 750. While I fully support X6 processors for multi-threaded workload like distributed computing, rendering, video encoding, for gaming AMD is not a contender unless you can get a free mobo from Fry's/Microcenter with it to sweeten the price/performance.

Civ 5 is a turn based strategy game ffs. The fact that it needs more than a pentium-3 is a disgrace.

 

[RussianSensation]

Civ 5 is a turn based strategy game ffs. The fact that it needs more than a pentium-3 is a disgrace.

Civ 4 was very CPU dependent and not designed for multi-threading, which caused the game to slow down in the later stages as thousands of units and operations were being computed. The graphics and processing subsystems were highly integrated with each other, causing a lot of bottlenecks.

Civ 5 is completely rewritten with a highly distributed processing model. Instead of large subsystems, every task is broken down into hundreds or even thousands of "jobs" that can be queued and processed independently of each other.

This allows Civ 5 to take full advantage of multithreading and the latest graphics hardware on the high end, rendering tens of thousands of warriors on one screen in a vivid demonstration of how much more complex Civ 5 scenes could be.

This model also allows Civ 5 to run on integrated graphics including most modern notebooks and computers that do not have an independent graphics card, at an acceptable framerate. The game has been extensively tested and tweaked for these lower end systems, so it should run out of the box.