Q6600 G0 stepping update from TankGuys

[GFORCE100]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Markfw900
This is what I suspected, and I am not sorry I spent $300 each on two B3's. I am not disappointed in them either. I also suspect they will not go for $266, but as much as $300. And when they do come out, I still want to see how much better they really are. a couple hundred mhz is no big deal.

mmm... u want to know?

My ES Q6600 G0, i was playing around with....

Reason i was keeping quiet about it, is because i dont want to get flamed for this. So was just going to keep it to myself... however mark you saved me a long time ago from buying a AMD X2 over a P4-D, and i feel i kinda owe you for that, so i'll tell you.

1.38Vcore real @ 3600 400fsbx9 Max load temps on Lapped Ultra120 ~ 53C
1.49Vcore real @ 4100 410 x 10 <--- unlocked multi 😀 On custom water now, Max load temp, 57C.


Ram Crucial Tracers PC8500
PSU: Antec Quadro 850W
Board: Gigabyte P35-DQ6

Absolute monsters. Thats all i need to say.

When stating load temps, always define what you call load because running some odd application that says 100% CPU usage is no longer good when there's 4 cores to feed.

Secondly, 53/57C just can't be the core temps of each core under load at 3.6GHz. Hell that can't even be your overall CPU temp as reported by the CPU diode in the center of the S775 package if you're really stressing each of the four cores using Orthos, Prime95, WPrime or what not.

 

[SickBeast]

I would imagine that intel has been stockpiling inventory on these chips since they were released; they must not be selling well, otherwise they wouldn't have cut the price on them twice like they did.

Hopefully they will sell like hotcakes and clear out of the channel in 2 weeks or so, but my guess is that it will take much longer than that. Actually, is there a chance that intel will simply discontinue the chip once it sells out?

 

[drakore]

aigomorla is such a flamer... just like the human torch... flame on buddy flame on haha

 

[lopri]

You guys are crazy with this overclocking frenzy. 😛 I'm still quite happy how snappy Opteron 2.80GHz runs most (if not all) applications that I throw at it. I really think we need some revolutionary changes in application coding to truly appreciate these fast CPUs. As for the improved clocking potential of C2D/C2Q - it is only natural that manufacturing improves over time, and Intel has been at 65nm process for quite some time. Then again, I recall a lot of E6600s clocked very well with small voltage increase, right before the introduction of Q6600. As a matter of fact I recently (well, that's already a couple months ago) acquired an E6600 that's made in 26th week of year 2006, which does 3.60GHz with mere 1.29~1.30V. (maxes around ~3.80GHz under air cooling)

Since Intel's quads are MCMs, the supply and demand can be quite a factor for different SKU's clocking potential, IMO. It looks like Intel was able to reduce significant amount of power/heat with the new stepping, making it possible for quads to clock like duals. Nevertheless it's clear that one can't judge a CPU based on engineering samples (remember Anand's first C2D review?). It's even more pointless when you can't buy one. Once it's available, the verdict will follow soon enough so I don't know what you guys are arguing for. 😛

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: GFORCE100

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Markfw900
This is what I suspected, and I am not sorry I spent $300 each on two B3's. I am not disappointed in them either. I also suspect they will not go for $266, but as much as $300. And when they do come out, I still want to see how much better they really are. a couple hundred mhz is no big deal.

mmm... u want to know?

My ES Q6600 G0, i was playing around with....

Reason i was keeping quiet about it, is because i dont want to get flamed for this. So was just going to keep it to myself... however mark you saved me a long time ago from buying a AMD X2 over a P4-D, and i feel i kinda owe you for that, so i'll tell you.

1.38Vcore real @ 3600 400fsbx9 Max load temps on Lapped Ultra120 ~ 53C
1.49Vcore real @ 4100 410 x 10 <--- unlocked multi 😀 On custom water now, Max load temp, 57C.


Ram Crucial Tracers PC8500
PSU: Antec Quadro 850W
Board: Gigabyte P35-DQ6

Absolute monsters. Thats all i need to say.

When stating load temps, always define what you call load because running some odd application that says 100% CPU usage is no longer good when there's 4 cores to feed.

Secondly, 53/57C just can't be the core temps of each core under load at 3.6GHz. Hell that can't even be your overall CPU temp as reported by the CPU diode in the center of the S775 package if you're really stressing each of the four cores using Orthos, Prime95, WPrime or what not.

mmmm...

My B3: During this summer heat.
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...73/aigomorla/Q6600.jpg

My other B3 at the same voltage of my ES:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/NewTemps.jpg


Screenies of my ES to come soon. I just stoped making screenies after all the flames ive been getting.

My cooling on both the B3 and ES. Well i migrated over the ES to this platform, different board/CPU, same watercooling loop.
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0721.jpg

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
mmmm...

My B3: During this summer heat.
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...73/aigomorla/Q6600.jpg

My other B3 at the same voltage of my ES:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/NewTemps.jpg


Screenies of my ES to come soon. I just stoped making screenies after all the flames ive been getting.

My cooling on both the B3 and ES. Well i migrated over the ES to this platform, different board/CPU, same watercooling loop.
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0721.jpg

So now that a typical G0 Q6600 is an ES, youre also posting a Xeon as a typical B3?
And this is the 1st time youve mentioned watercooling in this thread iirc, and the H2O link in your sig is new before you play that card 😉

 

[Toadster]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Diogenes2
And I'm sure we can count on all the G0's being just like that engineering sample ..

Yeah, right ...

And here it comes!

Well, there are chances to get better chips then ES chips.

Its all in the luck of the draw. My chip came from china, and yes its ES. And yes i have an unlocked multi, and yes i know your overclocking results will vary.

Anyhow, mark, im not going to talk about this anymore, if you have any more questions just pm me about the G0's. Not going to pour gasoline on myself anymore.

ES chips are always cherrypicked and absolute "best bin" CPUs. With the right setup otherwise, you are almost always looking at a best case scenario for overclocking.

So sure theres a chance, about a snowballs chance in hell.

ES are just multiplier unlocked, there's nothing special about them as far as cherry picking...

 

[jpeyton]

Hate to say it, but the "guaranteed stepping/overclocking" fad died a long time ago.

If TankGuys is getting G0, a lot of other retailers will be too. It's not like G0 is some "limited edition" CPU that will sell out and never be available again.

Just place your order when its in stock.

 

[SickBeast]

I just want to say that I have yet to see anyone flame aigomorla.

Why would anyone flame you for telling the world how fast your CPU can run? 😕

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I just want to say that I have yet to see anyone flame aigomorla.

Why would anyone flame you for telling the world how fast your CPU can run? 😕

Saying his results are atypical is apparently "flaming".

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I just want to say that I have yet to see anyone flame aigomorla.

Why would anyone flame you for telling the world how fast your CPU can run? 😕

Saying his results are atypical is apparently "flaming".

Maybe he's sensitive. 😕

 

[AbRASiON]

It's not a surprise, they have to possibly flush out millions of CPU's

How many quad cores get sold into standard home user desktop machines? Not many
How many quad cores are sold to geeks / techs? probably a fair percentage
How long will it take to sell them if the geeks aren't buying them till G0's come out?

I _want_ 3.2 - so I'm waiting.

 

[kurosharp]

ok i have a question for you guys, im on the verge of buying that damn e6750 right now or waiting, how much better will G0 stepping be? I mean i want to overclock to maybe 6.2 6.4 air without chaning much voltage. anyone have any idea? or should i just go and buy the damn thing
?

 

[bryanW1995]

um, if you want 6.2 - 6.4 then you might want to get a p4 and some liquid nitrogen...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I just want to say that I have yet to see anyone flame aigomorla.

Why would anyone flame you for telling the world how fast your CPU can run? 😕

no, because i used to go off on how hot these girls went. Also how difficult they are to overclock. Then my watercooling starts getting in the way, and people think air sinks can match my water setup. Then flames start shooting from people who swear the TEC Air cooler will match my water, and yada yada....

Then people started to think they couldnt be much harder then a C2D. And then non quad owners would jump into the conversation, and give the complete wrong advice. Kinda like a C2D overclocker, helping out another newbie whose trying to overclock his A64.


Dont get me wrong, 3.6GHZ on a quadcore B3 is very difficult to pull off loaded 24/7.


Anyhow, i just decided not to share things as much anymore, and its made my life a lot simpler. But for those who seem very eager, and i see spots of info that need to be said, now that you're all listening. I will post things here and there.

Originally posted by: kurosharp
ok i have a question for you guys, im on the verge of buying that damn e6750 right now or waiting, how much better will G0 stepping be? I mean i want to overclock to maybe 6.2 6.4 air without chaning much voltage. anyone have any idea? or should i just go and buy the damn thing
?

omgwtfBBQ.

If intel had such a chip, AMD would file for bankruptcy.

 

[g0dMAn]

Originally posted by: aigomorla


omgwtfBBQ.

If intel had such a chip, AMD would file for bankruptcy.

lol... maybe that was a typo... and if it wasn't, i feel bad for him thinking that 6.2 or 6.4 was possible... if it wasn't a typo, he's definitely just messing around.

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Dont get me wrong, 3.6GHZ on a quadcore B3 is very difficult to pull off loaded 24/7.

Can I ask what voltage you used? If and when I do go for a quad 6600, it would replace my current e6400 that does 3.6ghz daily 1.4450v on water. I've got a decent WC setup.... just curious what voltage your q6600 took to be 24/7 prime stable (if not prime stable, how stable). 🙂 Cuz 3.6ghz is a good # to me.

 

[TankGuys]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hate to say it, but the "guaranteed stepping/overclocking" fad died a long time ago.

If TankGuys is getting G0, a lot of other retailers will be too. It's not like G0 is some "limited edition" CPU that will sell out and never be available again.

Just place your order when its in stock.

You're right, to a point. In the long term, everyone will have G0's. However, there are still a LOT of B3's in the distribution channels, and in existing retailer inventory.

So, for the near future, you don't know what you're going to get.

 

[Vinny73]

Are the G0's the "energy efficient 95w" versions?

 

[chriskurn]

Yes

 

[Vinny73]

Ok, they coming in at £195 delivered. Pricey when you take into account other variants and the AMD X6400+ thats due soon at about half the price. Ok its quad core, but do I concern myself with that right now?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: g0dMAn

Originally posted by: aigomorla


omgwtfBBQ.

If intel had such a chip, AMD would file for bankruptcy.

lol... maybe that was a typo... and if it wasn't, i feel bad for him thinking that 6.2 or 6.4 was possible... if it wasn't a typo, he's definitely just messing around.

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Dont get me wrong, 3.6GHZ on a quadcore B3 is very difficult to pull off loaded 24/7.

Can I ask what voltage you used? If and when I do go for a quad 6600, it would replace my current e6400 that does 3.6ghz daily 1.4450v on water. I've got a decent WC setup.... just curious what voltage your q6600 took to be 24/7 prime stable (if not prime stable, how stable). 🙂 Cuz 3.6ghz is a good # to me.

on the B3 it too around 1.49-1.51 Vcore. Thats about 1.55 in bios after vdroop. The bad thing about the evga 680i, is that the vdroop gets worse and worse as the board ages.

On the ES, it takes about 1.375vcore @ 3.6ghz. I would expect a little more voltage for non ES chips. So around 1.4-1.43vcore should be the sweet spot for G0's.

I currently have MY ES pushing 3.85 @ 1.47Vcore. This is where im the most happy at.

 

[kuraegomon]

FWIW,

I have retail G0 that I got from NCIX.com. Ordered on the 21st, shipped on the 23rd. I specifically requested a G0, because I knew they already had some. They indicated "We can't guarantee any such requests ...", which is fair enough. However, it _was_ part of a $2k order, and I'm a repeat customer, so I figured I had a good shot. Sure enough, nod nod, wink wink, my "ignored: request was granted. I've got brand new Striker Extreme (same shipment) and I'll be setting it up this weekend. I'll post my o/c results then.

If you're looking for a G0, and are also planning on buying more stuff, then you may want to give them a look ... I don't think they'd pay much mind if you're just ordering the CPU... they have to clear out their B3's (if they haven't already). If, however, it's part of a larger order, I think you might have some good results. I've bought a LOT of stuff from them over the years, and they are _very_ fast and precise about shipping. BTW, just saw that their standalone order price for a Q6600 is $339 Cdn. That's not good. However, if bought as part of a bundle (i.e. with a CPU, or mobo, or vid card ....) is $289 Cdn. That's _really_ good.

Planet AMD64 actually says that they've already cleared out their B3's: http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=32900

 

[Sinn707]

What Kuraegomon said, I'm 99% sure ncix.com completely ran out of B3's and only ship G0 Q6600, just a heads up.

 

[kuraegomon]

So far, I`ve only seen one report of a guy who claims that NCIX shipped him a B3 recently (i.e. since last week), and he hasn`t actually received it yet. It`s just that his invoice is showing the B3 product code ... NCIX usually gets this right though. That`s probably just a rogue box.

That`s aka1nas at xtreme forums: http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...d.php?t=152603&page=10. Everybody else who`s ordered from NCIX since Saturday has gotten G0`s. A few OC results on that thread too, but you`ll have to dig through a lot of ... fluff.

See also ocforums: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=520463
for some more OC results love. 3.6 G Prime stable on air! 400x9 with Swiftech H20-220. Man, I'm looking forward to what my Ultra-120 Extreme will do with this bad boy!

 

[tylerw13]

Originally posted by: Sinn707
What Kuraegomon said, I'm 99% sure ncix.com completely ran out of B3's and only ship G0 Q6600, just a heads up.

i am 100 percent sure that ncix.com has ran out...i ordered one yesterday and it is a G0 stepping if you want a G0 then get one from there