Q6600 G0 stepping update from TankGuys

[Hauk]

I'm on the pre-order list and received this email yesterday from TankGuys:

"At this time, we still do not have a firm shipping date for these processors. Information varies wildly right now as to when the G0 stepping Q6600 chips will start shipping from Intel. Different sources have the possible ship dates ranging anywhere from July 22nd to early September, so it's not yet clear exactly when it will be. Of course, we will continue to work every angle possible to try and secure these as soon as we can. It is expected that other stores will be shipping Q6600's at the lower price point on/around the 22nd, but will still be shipping mostly, if not all, B3 steppings. Thus, we appreciate your further patience while we work hard to make sure we get only G0's. We will not be shipping at all until we can be absolutely certain they will be G0s."

 

[Markfw]

This is what I suspected, and I am not sorry I spent $300 each on two B3's. I am not disappointed in them either. I also suspect they will not go for $266, but as much as $300. And when they do come out, I still want to see how much better they really are. a couple hundred mhz is no big deal.

 

[RussianSensation]

G0 would be phenomenal to get. However, let's not kid ourselves that Q6600 @ 3.2ghz IS a powerhouse. At the end of the day even 8800Ultra will be bottlenecked far before C2D at 3.2ghz.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
This is what I suspected, and I am not sorry I spent $300 each on two B3's. I am not disappointed in them either. I also suspect they will not go for $266, but as much as $300. And when they do come out, I still want to see how much better they really are. a couple hundred mhz is no big deal.

mmm... u want to know?

My ES Q6600 G0, i was playing around with....

Reason i was keeping quiet about it, is because i dont want to get flamed for this. So was just going to keep it to myself... however mark you saved me a long time ago from buying a AMD X2 over a P4-D, and i feel i kinda owe you for that, so i'll tell you.

1.38Vcore real @ 3600 400fsbx9 Max load temps on Lapped Ultra120 ~ 53C
1.49Vcore real @ 4100 410 x 10 <--- unlocked multi On custom water now, Max load temp, 57C.


Ram Crucial Tracers PC8500
PSU: Antec Quadro 850W
Board: Gigabyte P35-DQ6

Absolute monsters. Thats all i need to say.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
G0 would be phenomenal to get. However, let's not kid ourselves that Q6600 @ 3.2ghz IS a powerhouse. At the end of the day even 8800Ultra will be bottlenecked far before C2D at 3.2ghz.

I agree. I'm not sure how long I would be willing to wait for a G0. If the best they can do on air is 3.6ghz, that's not enough difference to sway me.

 

[Diogenes2]

And I'm sure we can count on all the G0's being just like that engineering sample ..

Yeah, right ...

 

[Laminator]

I have a cheap cooler, so I pretty much need a G0 so that I can hit the overclocks with lower voltages. 400MHz x9 on 1.38v is awesome...

 

[AmpedSilence]

So I have no need to wait for a G0 stepping if all i want is 334x9?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
So I have no need to wait for a G0 stepping if all i want is 334x9?

The G0 would run cooler at the same speed is all.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Diogenes2
And I'm sure we can count on all the G0's being just like that engineering sample ..

Yeah, right ...

And here it comes!

Well, there are chances to get better chips then ES chips.

Its all in the luck of the draw. My chip came from china, and yes its ES. And yes i have an unlocked multi, and yes i know your overclocking results will vary.

Anyhow, mark, im not going to talk about this anymore, if you have any more questions just pm me about the G0's. Not going to pour gasoline on myself anymore.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Diogenes2
And I'm sure we can count on all the G0's being just like that engineering sample ..

Yeah, right ...

And here it comes!

Well, there are chances to get better chips then ES chips.

Its all in the luck of the draw. My chip came from china, and yes its ES. And yes i have an unlocked multi, and yes i know your overclocking results will vary.

Anyhow, mark, im not going to talk about this anymore, if you have any more questions just pm me about the G0's. Not going to pour gasoline on myself anymore.

ES chips are always cherrypicked and absolute "best bin" CPUs. With the right setup otherwise, you are almost always looking at a best case scenario for overclocking.

So sure theres a chance, about a snowballs chance in hell.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Diogenes2
And I'm sure we can count on all the G0's being just like that engineering sample ..

Yeah, right ...

And here it comes!

Well, there are chances to get better chips then ES chips.

Its all in the luck of the draw. My chip came from china, and yes its ES. And yes i have an unlocked multi, and yes i know your overclocking results will vary.

Anyhow, mark, im not going to talk about this anymore, if you have any more questions just pm me about the G0's. Not going to pour gasoline on myself anymore.

ES chips are always cherrypicked and absolute "best bin" CPUs. With the right setup otherwise, you are almost always looking at a best case scenario for overclocking.

So sure theres a chance, about a snowballs chance in hell.

mmm... okey.

1 bin/class

L628B E6600 -> greater then the ES's

But okey, anyhow.... dont want to get into a debate about it. I decided to take a smile approach to everything now.

But yes i did pay a heavy premium for my ES. But i wanted a ES, and its my first ES.

Im extremely happy with it too.

 

[Markfw]

I take this from my E4300 experience. They were supposed to be such kings at overclocking. So I got one. The best I could do is 2915 after weeks of trying. The exact same setup is now running a Q6600@3.2 on a 450 watt Antec smart power PSU no less ! And MOST people here had the same experience, 3 ghz was tough to get.

So now I am supposed to believe all these ES chips represent the real average of the new G0 chips ? I will believe it when I see it, thats all I am saying.

Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.

aigomorla, did you mean I saved you from buying the P-D ? The biggest piece of crap Intel ever made ? Because the wording sounds backwards to me. Anyway, I PM'ed Gary Key, and he agrees with you, but 2 ES chips still don't represent reality of the average retail chip. And again, price and availability are in doubt. By the time they are available, I will have had my two for 2 months ! I can always add 2 more G0 later....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Diogenes2
And I'm sure we can count on all the G0's being just like that engineering sample ..

Yeah, right ...

And here it comes!

Well, there are chances to get better chips then ES chips.

Its all in the luck of the draw. My chip came from china, and yes its ES. And yes i have an unlocked multi, and yes i know your overclocking results will vary.

Anyhow, mark, im not going to talk about this anymore, if you have any more questions just pm me about the G0's. Not going to pour gasoline on myself anymore.

ES chips are always cherrypicked and absolute "best bin" CPUs. With the right setup otherwise, you are almost always looking at a best case scenario for overclocking.

So sure theres a chance, about a snowballs chance in hell.

mmm... okey.

1 bin/class

L628B E6600 -> greater then the ES's

But okey, anyhow.... dont want to get into a debate about it. I decided to take a smile approach to everything now.

But yes i did pay a heavy premium for my ES. But i wanted a ES, and its my first ES.

Im extremely happy with it too.

And were those ES chips binned from the same run? I think not.

I bet an ES E6600 binned today would beat any retail steppping

Dont get me wrong, if i knew i could get a G0 within a reasonable amount of time and for the same price, id go for a G0 chip. However, i will *NOT* ever base overclocking expectations on engineering samples.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I take this from my E4300 experience. They were supposed to be such kings at overclocking. So I got one. The best I could do is 2915 after weeks of trying. The exact same setup is now running a Q6600@3.2 on a 450 watt Antec smart power PSU no less ! And MOST people here had the same experience, 3 ghz was tough to get.

So now I am supposed to believe all these ES chips represent the real average of the new G0 chips ? I will believe it when I see it, thats all I am saying.

Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.

aigomorla, did you mean I saved you from buying the P-D ? The biggest piece of crap Intel ever made ? Because the wording sounds backwards to me. Anyway, I PM'ed Gary Key, and he agrees with you, but 2 ES chips still don't represent reality of the average retail chip. And again, price and availability are in doubt. By the time they are available, I will have had my two for 2 months ! I can always add 2 more G0 later....

I have an E4300 that wont break 3ghz on air either.

The same rig runs an E6300 @ 3.6ghz on water.

 

[Shimmishim]

not too sure about there retail Q6600 G0's but there have been a lot reports on the E6X50 G0's

here's one showing not so good results
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=151772

here are three others showing decent to good results
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=151571
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=151164
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=150381


again the links are to all retail samples, not ES's.

it seems like the retail parts (at least for the E6X50) are just as good as the ES's.

No results yet on retail Q6600 G0's though. If they really do fair as well as their ES counterpart, then the Q6600 will be the way to go. 4 cores of 3.8+ ghz goodness vs. 2 cores of 4+ ghz. i can live w/o the extra 200 mhz.

 

[SickBeast]

It's nice to see someone hit 4.1ghz on air. Now it's tempting me to wait.

The thing is, these chips are all overkill for my system anyways. All I have is an 8800GTS 320mb, and it's not like I'm doing architectural renderings anymore.

 

[Diogenes2]

Those decent results include up to 1.6 vcore ... Sounds like the usual ' 5 minutes of Orthos and 32m SuperPi ' stability, that qualifies as a 4g overclock at Xtreme...

 

[Markfw]

Shimmishim, those are all G0 dual-core, not Q6600.

 

[solofly]

I don't like the sound of that September time frame mentioned...

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
It's nice to see someone hit 4.1ghz on air. Now it's tempting me to wait.

The thing is, these chips are all overkill for my system anyways. All I have is an 8800GTS 320mb, and it's not like I'm doing architectural renderings anymore.

Yeah im kind of in the same boat, except do a lot of encoding, which encourages me to go with a Q6600.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SickBeast
It's nice to see someone hit 4.1ghz on air. Now it's tempting me to wait.

The thing is, these chips are all overkill for my system anyways. All I have is an 8800GTS 320mb, and it's not like I'm doing architectural renderings anymore.

Yeah im kind of in the same boat, except do a lot of encoding, which encourages me to go with a Q6600.

Well, I expect to get at least 4 years out of the chip, and you can be sure that over the next few years a *ton* of games will take advantage of the 4 cores, even if you don't have a ton of graphics horsepower.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I take this from my E4300 experience. They were supposed to be such kings at overclocking. So I got one. The best I could do is 2915 after weeks of trying. The exact same setup is now running a Q6600@3.2 on a 450 watt Antec smart power PSU no less ! And MOST people here had the same experience, 3 ghz was tough to get.

So now I am supposed to believe all these ES chips represent the real average of the new G0 chips ? I will believe it when I see it, thats all I am saying.

Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.

aigomorla, did you mean I saved you from buying the P-D ? The biggest piece of crap Intel ever made ? Because the wording sounds backwards to me. Anyway, I PM'ed Gary Key, and he agrees with you, but 2 ES chips still don't represent reality of the average retail chip. And again, price and availability are in doubt. By the time they are available, I will have had my two for 2 months ! I can always add 2 more G0 later....

LOL i ment you saved me from buying a P4-D. I bought the X2 after i all the bad comments i read on that intel POS.

:T

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Shimmishim, those are all G0 dual-core, not Q6600.

i know!

it says E6X50 in my post.

but i'm guessing that they would use 2 of the 6x50 G0 cores to make a G0 Q6600 chip... or would that logic be wrong?

i dunno.

i was just trying to show that the retail chips were = or > than the ES's since that's how the discussion was going.


@diogenes2 - again, the results are to show what the chips are capable of. the fact that the chip can even do 5 minutes at 4 ghz with 1.6 with the temps shown on air is pretty darn impressive... think what sort of temps you'd see with 1.4 to 1.5 volts on water?

do you see B1/B2/B3 chips doing 4ghz with 1.6 volts with decent temps on air? i sure haven't.

it's just an initial impression anyway. take XS results with a grain of salt if you'd like.... better yet, don't look at the xs results if you're going to have this bias that these results are not typical.

edit:

here is 4 ghz orthos 1 hour with 1.48 volts. now i'd like to see you do that with a B1 or B2 E6600/E6700/X6800

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...p=2292839&postcount=42

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Shimmishim, those are all G0 dual-core, not Q6600.

i know!

it says E6X50 in my post.

but i'm guessing that they would use 2 of the 6x50 G0 cores to make a G0 Q6600 chip... or would that logic be wrong?

i dunno.

i was just trying to show that the retail chips were = or > than the ES's since that's how the discussion was going.


@diogenes2 - again, the results are to show what the chips are capable of. the fact that the chip can even do 5 minutes at 4 ghz with 1.6 with the temps shown on air is pretty darn impressive... think what sort of temps you'd see with 1.4 to 1.5 volts on water?

do you see B1/B2/B3 chips doing 4ghz with 1.6 volts with decent temps on air? i sure haven't.

it's just an initial impression anyway. take XS results with a grain of salt if you'd like.... better yet, don't look at the xs results if you're going to have this bias that these results are not typical.

edit:

here is 4 ghz orthos 1 hour with 1.48 volts. now i'd like to see you do that with a B1 or B2 E6600/E6700/X6800

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...p=2292839&postcount=42

heheh... give up trying to convice... i sure did. All that will come out of it in the end is a bunch of flames from people, and give you massive headaches.

You wont lose anything by waiting a few extra months besides time. In all, id still get the G0's because they require less voltage, run cooler, and have better stability.

If the reason i just listed isnt worth the time wait, then i hope your on phase. Theres also no promise the current B3's can clock @ 3.6ghz. So your fishing from a different pond hopeing for better fish, thats all i need to say. :]