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[UNCjigga]

Seems like the GOP has the votes to deny witnesses and documents. Lamar Alexander is a no. Susan Collins gets her ceremonial hall pass to buck the leadership.

Very weird scene at the end—Klobuchar wanted to ask for closing argument, needed to rephrase her question, and Schiff was about to speak when Nadler cut him off and gave a somewhat abrupt closing. I think a page told them there would be no witnesses.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Don`t count your chickens before they hatch!!

 

[K1052]

Looks done. I didn’t have much stock in the idea that Alexander would defy Trump and call for witnesses. GOP life after Congress now requires total fealty to him or risk destruction and alienation.

 

[UNCjigga]

Wow, Lamar Alexander’s statement is quite damning of Trump: “There is no need for additional evidence because we all know Trump did it. House managers have proven their case beyond any doubt.”

But...also... “the Senate should not remove from office in an election year and ban him from the ballot over something inappropriate”.

But sure, go ahead and scream “TOTAL EXONERATION!” again Mr. President.

Quite fitting that Roberts oversaw this sham—behold what you’ve wrought on the Senate with Citizens United and unlimited dark money controlled by an elite cabal and McConnell.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

In the Senate trial, no witnesses and zero evidence were allowed to be presented. And all of America, except for Trump's cult followers, knows that the reason for this is because the thoroughly corrupt Republicans are afraid that the truth would get out.

The testimony from the 17 House witnesses, including videos of 13 of those witnesses along with the thousands on FOIA documents. Unless you weren't watching the question and answer session you'd know exactly what i was talking about.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Enjoy your king Emperor .. your wettest dream is about to come true. Congrats.

Not my wettest dream, and he'll just be our President for about another 5 years.

 

[Paratus]

The testimony from the 17 House witnesses, including videos of 13 of those witnesses along with the thousands on FOIA documents. Unless you weren't watching the question and answer session you'd know exactly what i was talking about.

Your obfuscations amuse me. Do it more.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

No idea why so many people seem surprised at the results, it was a slam dunk before it ever began. Unless the Democrats could come up with actual high crimes and misdemeanors and get some kind of bipartisan support it was never going to happen.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wow, Lamar Alexander’s statement is quite damning of Trump: “There is no need for additional evidence because we all know Trump did it. House managers have proven their case beyond any doubt.”

But...also... “the Senate should not remove from office in an election year and ban him from the ballot over something inappropriate”.

But sure, go ahead and scream “TOTAL EXONERATION!” again Mr. President.

Quite fitting that Roberts oversaw this sham—behold what you’ve wrought on the Senate with Citizens United and unlimited dark money controlled by an elite cabal and McConnell.

Yeh, if y'all had impeached him last year it would have been different. Or something.

 

[JEDIYoda]

No idea why so many people seem surprised at the results, it was a slam dunk before it ever began. Unless the Democrats could come up with actual high crimes and misdemeanors and get some kind of bipartisan support it was never going to happen.

What is interesting is that Lamar Alexander’s statement is quite damning of Trump: “There is no need for additional evidence because we all know Trump did it. House managers have proven their case beyond any doubt.”

All this will lead to more comedy gold and a lot of ridicule aimed at the people who support the BOTUS--- Buffoon of the United States!
You call holler all you want that he was acquitted! But that is not actually the truth....even Lamar Alexander said that Trump did it!!
How does it feel supporting a crook and a liar and a buffoon?

 

[NWRMidnight]

I have made no statements of 17 witnesses or 1,000`s of documents!
I do know shew was addressing the Chief Justice and that it was degrading towards him! Which is why i brought it up in the first place!
Whatever personal issues you have you need to deal with!
I am 100% behind the impeachment of Trump!
Nowhere can you show that I made any claims............perhaps your drinking again?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you where not imported_tajmahal. (why did you quote me then? or do you just read people's response without reading what they quoted, and what there response was about?) Which leads me to make this suggestion to you: Go back and read post #3666. Which is what my reply was to, that you quoted, and made your comment about CNN, which had NOTHING to do with my response. Not realizing that you where not imported_tajmahal, who was talking about the claim of 17 witnesses and 1000's of documents. Hence my response. So before you start claiming someone has issues, you might want to actually understand what is being talked about in the conversation. (read the quotes and understanding the conversation is a good start).

My statement - ven CNN during a break in the action said -- Warren`s question crossed the line!!
How you can make all that out of my one statement is quite frankly troubling! You should perhaps seek professional help....

I guess it's easy to do when you interject yourself and make a statement that has nothing to do with my comment. So, either you quoted the wrong person, hence this misunderstanding, or you are Trolling.. take your pick!

I contend that your life is fictional....

Misunderstanding, or you are trolling, again.. take your pick! (I am leaning towards Trolling)

When Roberts chose to read it then he regarded it as legitimate, unlike his refusal to do so with a question from Rand Paul.

I see you are another person who doesn't follow the conversation and doesn't understand what my comment was pertaining too(not necessarily you fault, Jnhnn took you down that path) . You can start with reading my comment above and also start with post #3666. I might also suggest you read the other comments about Rand Paul. It is self explanatory why his question was refused.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you where not imported_tajmahal. (why did you quote me then? or do you just read people's response without reading what they quoted, and what there response was about?) Which leads me to make this suggestion to you: Go back and read post #3666. Which is what my reply was to, that you quoted, and made your comment about CNN, which had NOTHING to do with my response. Not realizing that you where not imported_tajmahal, who was talking about the claim of 17 witnesses and 1000's of documents. Hence my response. So before you start claiming someone has issues, you might want to actually understand what is being talked about in the conversation. (read the quotes and understanding the conversation is a good start).

I guess it's easy to do when you interject yourself and make a statement that has nothing to do with my comment. So, either you quoted the wrong person, hence this misunderstanding, or you are Trolling.. take your pick!



I see you are another person who doesn't follow the conversation and doesn't understand what my comment was pertaining too(not necessarily you fault, Jnhnn took you down that path) . You can start with reading my comment above and also start with post #3666.

You are right...but why would I go back and read through over 100 posts! Noktwithstanding! I am glad that has been clarified! My bad!! Thank You!!

 

[ivwshane]

Now we can focus on electing democrats and removing all these republicans that put party before country.

 

[Vic]

No idea why so many people seem surprised at the results, it was a slam dunk before it ever began. Unless the Democrats could come up with actual high crimes and misdemeanors and get some kind of bipartisan support it was never going to happen.

How could they 'come up' with high crimes and misdemeanors when no evidence of witnesses were allowed to be presented?

Because if evidence or witnesses had been allowed to be presented, then the Senators would have been forced to admit that the use of public office for personal gain, such as to further one's re-election campaign, is the actual legal definition of a high crime.
You're celebrating that Trump is being acquitted for the same crime that Nixon had the dignity to resign over.

However, no one is actually surprised by the results. They're just surprised that the Senate Republicans could be so openly corrupt.

 

[Vic]

Not my wettest dream, and he'll just be our President for about another 5 years.

Your wet dream is for him and his family to rule America forever.

 

[NWRMidnight]

The testimony from the 17 House witnesses, including videos of 13 of those witnesses along with the thousands on FOIA documents. Unless you weren't watching the question and answer session you'd know exactly what i was talking about.

Actually no, because of the obstruction of Trump. there are many witnesses and 1000's of documents that still have not been presented, and the Senate doesn't want to allow them. Even in a normal Trial, all witnesses must testify, even if they testified in the indictment investigation. The same SHOULD hold true with the impeachment, but that isn't how they want to do it, because it is all about getting an Acquittal for trump, and doing it as quick as possible, the Truth be damned. I am guessing that there are far more government officials involved and the corruption goes deep into the Republican's holding office, with the corruption going much deeper than just Trump's election interference

 

[NWRMidnight]

You are right...but why would I go back and read through over 100 posts! Noktwithstanding! I am glad that has been clarified! My bad!! Thank You!!

Yea, it's hard to keep up with such a fast paced discussion. Glad we got it cleared up. Carry on!

 

[Vic]

Hey guys, we all know that the same Republicans who are acquitting Trump would have been totally cool with if Obama had done the same thing against Romney in 2012. I mean, totally cool with it. This is exactly the kind of above-the-law power that they were arguing at that time that the executive branch should have.

 

[sportage]

Not my wettest dream, and he'll just be our President for about another 5 years.

This is unhealthy for any nation but much much worse so for a democracy.
Some people might cheer Trump's victory with avoiding the truth for now, but how will the same Trumpie's react when some future Obama uses the same tactics to steal your election? Tactics now fully legalized and tolerated thanks do a corrupt president and to a corrupted republican congress.

Oh well....
At least America gave it a shot.
At least we had a good 200 plus years of it.
Too bad it all ends tomorrow in the US senate, but on the plus side they can completely destroy America and her institutions all before super bowl kick-off. THAT must give the Trumpie's some feeling of accomplishment, right? Knowing America can burn to the ground and in time for Super Bowl Sunday. WOOT! Let the games begin.
Hand me the popcorn.
WHAT.....???
King Donald J Trump just banned all popcorn ???????
That orange bastard.

WOW.... Just hit me what they always have said about Donald Trump is true, that everything Trump touches turns to kaka. Well, Trump pulled it off again. It only took THE DONALD less than four years to completely divide the nation, then kill it off.
True, it may not sink in quite yet but Donald Trump has destroyed American democracy in a very short time.
I guess Donald calls it JUST DOING BUSINESS.

SO SO very ignorant are some people that are blinded by the orange. They have no idea of what they have done, however.... eventually they will more than realize what they have done.
You have to admit, AMERICA was a GREAT CONCEPT. And at some point those Trump zombies along with the entire republican zombie congress will suddenly need that AMERICA once again. Will need that good ole America for guidance or for support or for leadership or to simply light the way out of the darkness, but guess what......
That America will no longer be there.
Nothing even close.
It is said that you never really miss something until you really need it.
By then it will be too late.

I sure hope that this Trumpie congress and this Trumpie US Supreme Court and those Trumpie Trumpie's out there have gotten what they wanted out of the selling of American democracy.
I hope shooting off that load felt really really good for you.
Schmucks!

 

[Zorba]

And somehow, you tie that your fictional statement of 17 witnesses and 1000's of documents that where never in the trial? Do you not understand that she crossed the line because she was addressing the Chief Justice, and was degrading towards him, which has nothing to do with your fiction.

Boo-fucking-ho. I am sick of this shit where any republican can run down any left leaning person, including supreme court justices. But when Obama disagrees with fucking Citizens United the right fucking melted down. If Roberts doesn't want his name forever attached to a sham trial that basically gives the POTUS dictator powers, maybe he should call some witnesses.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Boo-fucking-ho. I am sick of this shit where any republican can run down any left leaning person, including supreme court justices. But when Obama disagrees with fucking Citizens United Playtex hit record sales of maxi-pads. If Roberts doesn't want his name forever attached to a shame trail that basically gives the POTUS dictator powers, maybe he should call some witnesses.

Let me explain how this works! Even if Robert`s wanted to call witnesses the Senate can vote against Robert``s wishes and that vote is binding! Robert literally is just a figurehead when it comes to what can be done! Yet he is also the guy who can break a tie vote! With that said let us hope for a tie! Then we will see what Roberts` is made of....

 

[Zorba]

Let me explain how this works! Even if Robert`s wanted to call witnesses the Senate can vote against Robert``s wishes and that vote is binding! Robert literally is just a figurehead when it comes to what can be done! Yet he is also the guy who can break a tie vote! With that said let us hope for a tie! Then we will see what Roberts` is made of....

I believe there are outstanding question of whether he can call them on his own. But he could do it, and let the senate vote against him. Or he can just be a lap dog for the brownshirts. Either way, Warren question didn't cross a line. Especially when you consider all the votes he's cast in the USSC that have lead to this moment.

 

[Sunburn74]

How could they 'come up' with high crimes and misdemeanors when no evidence of witnesses were allowed to be presented?

Because if evidence or witnesses had been allowed to be presented, then the Senators would have been forced to admit that the use of public office for personal gain, such as to further one's re-election campaign, is the actual legal definition of a high crime.
You're celebrating that Trump is being acquitted for the same crime that Nixon had the dignity to resign over.

However, no one is actually surprised by the results. They're just surprised that the Senate Republicans could be so openly corrupt.

Call it what it is. A sham trial.
Seems the founding fathers made a mistake when it comes to how impeachment should actually proceed.
Seems they made a lot of mistakes actually.

 

[Sunburn74]

Actually no, because of the obstruction of Trump. there are many witnesses and 1000's of documents that still have not been presented, and the Senate doesn't want to allow them. Even in a normal Trial, all witnesses must testify, even if they testified in the indictment investigation. The same SHOULD hold true with the impeachment, but that isn't how they want to do it, because it is all about getting an Acquittal for trump, and doing it as quick as possible, the Truth be damned. I am guessing that there are far more government officials involved and the corruption goes deep into the Republican's holding office, with the corruption going much deeper than just Trump's election interference

All of these guys will have their names drug through the mud when it comes to the history books.
All of them. Shame on them and their families. Shame!

 

[ivwshane]

Call it what it is. A sham trial.
Seems the founding fathers made a mistake when it comes to how impeachment should actually proceed.
Seems they made a lot of mistakes actually.

It started with the electoral college and probably Congress itself.