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[blackangst1]

Why do you keep asking questions that have already been answered? You are going to be so, so confused when the vote you claim will never happen happens repeatedly for multiple articles.

Actually, I doubt you will be confused as you know it's coming as well as we do you're just doing this dance for some weird reason, most likely out of antipathy for Democrats.

Because I think its odd that after 12 congressional investigations they need "just one more" to solidify their case. Its just...odd.

 

[fskimospy]

Because I think its odd that after 12 congressional investigations they need "just one more" to solidify their case. Its just...odd.

What's odd about it?

I mean you aren't really still arguing that the Democrats aren't going to vote on impeachment, are you?

 

[thilanliyan]

Maybe you havent read the whole thread. Im not calling for a vote or not calling for a vote. Im confused why the Democrats, after more than a dozen investigations over 3 years, dont have enough to vote on. WTF are they waiting for?

Unfortunately the Dems are trying to align with the ever-moving Repub goal posts. Repubs called this a secretive witch hunt, so they are now doing it in public.

The vote will come (probably before the end of the year)...this latest abuse of power is too much to ignore.

Problem is that the Repubs have basically said they will not remove him no matter what. At that point I'm guessing you will claim victory? (despite the evidence of corruption, abuse of power, etc)

 

[blackangst1]

Unfortunately the Dems are trying to align with the ever-moving Repub goal posts. Repubs called this a secretive witch hunt, so they are now doing it in public.

The vote will come (probably before the end of the year)...this latest abuse of power is too much to ignore.

Problem is that the Repubs have basically said they will not remove him no matter what. At that point I'm guessing you will claim victory? (despite the evidence of corruption, abuse of power, etc)

No one is victorious in this no matter the outcome.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I wasnt talking about the FBI investigations. I was referring to the 12 congressional investigations. Try to keep up.

How about listing them?

But this is the only impeachment of Trump and naturally before one goes there would be investigations unless you think that nothing of the kind is needed.

Funny thing is that the Republicans and Trump work hard against what you seem to think as innocence. Yesterday it was learned that notes of conversations were turned over to the State Department, but those have been kept under wraps. Release all materials and allow testimony by Pompeo and others, who have the duty to obey the Constitution, which allows this process of impeachment but in sense does it allow the President to be above the process.

Just let people freely testify and Trump's problems are over. But then there's the things he's said like specifically asking for an investigation of the Bidens for which there is nothing to suggest that he did anything but carry out US policy. Then we have https://www.axios.com/trump-denies-...and-6063f555-2629-4f99-b2f9-fd38739c0548.html

The best suggestion given yesterday was for Trump to appear at the hearings and yes he can bring an attorney.

 

[fskimospy]

No one is victorious in this no matter the outcome.

If Trump is impeached and convicted the American people and the Constitution will be victorious. No serious person doubts that he's a criminal at this point and removing a criminal from office is in the best interests of the country.

We lost when we elected a criminal but we can win when we stand up for our country and our institutions. We were rightly proud as a country when we removed Nixon, we can be proud of our country again if we remove Trump.

 

[blackangst1]

How about listing them?

But this is the only impeachment of Trump and naturally before one goes there would be investigations unless you think that nothing of the kind is needed.

Funny thing is that the Republicans and Trump work hard against what you seem to think as innocence. Yesterday it was learned that notes of conversations were turned over to the State Department, but those have been kept under wraps. Release all materials and allow testimony by Pompeo and others, who have the duty to obey the Constitution, which allows this process of impeachment but in sense does it allow the President to be above the process.

Just let people freely testify and Trump's problems are over. But then there's the things he's said like specifically asking for an investigation of the Bidens for which there is nothing to suggest that he did anything but carry out US policy. Then we have https://www.axios.com/trump-denies-...and-6063f555-2629-4f99-b2f9-fd38739c0548.html

The best suggestion given yesterday was for Trump to appear at the hearings and yes he can bring an attorney.

And allow the Republicans bring whatever witnesses they want.


The investigations were posted on post 252

 

[thilanliyan]

No one is victorious in this no matter the outcome.

Yes, the country loses.

The country is in this mess by voting in a narcissistic, corrupt, shady individual who really only cares about enriching himself and his family. A president abusing his power over and over cannot go unchecked, for the health of the democracy, hence the investigations (which have led to numerous prosecutions) and impeachment inquiry.

People really should have higher standards for their politicians than whether he/she has a "D" or "R" before their name.

 

[fskimospy]

How about listing them?

But this is the only impeachment of Trump and naturally before one goes there would be investigations unless you think that nothing of the kind is needed.

Funny thing is that the Republicans and Trump work hard against what you seem to think as innocence. Yesterday it was learned that notes of conversations were turned over to the State Department, but those have been kept under wraps. Release all materials and allow testimony by Pompeo and others, who have the duty to obey the Constitution, which allows this process of impeachment but in sense does it allow the President to be above the process.

Just let people freely testify and Trump's problems are over. But then there's the things he's said like specifically asking for an investigation of the Bidens for which there is nothing to suggest that he did anything but carry out US policy. Then we have https://www.axios.com/trump-denies-...and-6063f555-2629-4f99-b2f9-fd38739c0548.html

The best suggestion given yesterday was for Trump to appear at the hearings and yes he can bring an attorney.

It would be kind of funny if Trump appeared, not that he would. He would obviously perjure himself a half dozen times or more and then it would be amusing to watch the Republicans still in Congress since the Clinton impeachment try and figure out a way to explain why Clinton's perjury was an impeachable offense but Trump's isn't, which is something they would 100% do.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Because I think its odd that after 12 congressional investigations they need "just one more" to solidify their case. Its just...odd.

Not a single one of those investigations were able to be completed because the Administration has not provided the subpoenaed documents or testimony yet. But you knew that because you are posting the several other threads we have covering those court cases.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They were posted on post 252

Thanks, I'll look.

When will Trump work to clear himself if the accusations are wrong? He could testify about that Ukraine call in the restaurant.

The case in Trump's defense rests on distraction and falsehoods but it's the best possible one. Keep anyone who was there from testifying under oath. Attack Taylor as a "Never Trumper" when he was in fact appointed by Bush and has served for decades under both parties. Hell, Trump appointed him too and not one thing could be said by the Republicans against them, but neither would they confront him on the facts of the matter. Instead we learned that Obama didn't send missiles, a willful irrelevancy.

So if he's innocent it would be easy to provide proof to the contrary but his personal defense is "NEVER TRUMPERS".

I'll be glad to see the end of this man in office by whatever legal means.

 

[cytg111]

yes

Shit Future where rule of law is no more?

 

[blackangst1]

Not a single one of those investigations were able to be completed because the Administration has not provided the subpoenaed documents or testimony yet. But you knew that because you are posting the several other threads we have covering those court cases.

And refusing a congressional subpoena can have legal repercussions. Why havent the Democrats pursued those?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Maybe you havent read the whole thread. Im not calling for a vote or not calling for a vote. Im confused why the Democrats, after more than a dozen investigations over 3 years, dont have enough to vote on. WTF are they waiting for?

To complete the impeachment hearing I would assume, why would you vote before you were finished presenting the relevant information?

I wasnt talking about the FBI investigations. I was referring to the 12 congressional investigations. Try to keep up.

Unless I'm mistaken, they've only been running congressional investigations since last year, when the Democrats took the house, not 3 years as you've stated multiple times. You're trying to conflate the FBI investigation and the 'democrat investigation' (which is still disingenuous).

It's still irrelevant, given that the white house has been obstructing everything that's gone their way.

 

[soundforbjt]

And refusing a congressional subpoena can have legal repercussions. Why havent the Democrats pursued those?

They have and are, Trump keeps appealing and taking them to higher courts.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why do you keep asking questions that have already been answered? You are going to be so, so confused when the vote you claim will never happen happens repeatedly for multiple articles.

Actually, I doubt you will be confused as you know it's coming as well as we do you're just doing this dance for some weird reason, most likely out of antipathy for Democrats.

Stupid fucking Democrats can't do anything right.

 

[Indus]

Shit Future where rule of law is no more?

If Trump has gotten away with as much as he has over his lifespan with political donations and partisanship, what makes you think it exists now?

 

[zinfamous]

I never mentioned Hillary not brought up her server. Stop projecting.

..I didn't bring up her server. The server in line two that I was referring to was the preposterous and thoroughly-debunked nonsense that Ukraine was "hosting a server" that was being used to support the Dems and sway the election toward Hillary in 2016--you know, this is actually what the GOP on the committee yesterday, and throughout this scandal, have been referring to as a legitimate avenue of investigation. This is the Cloudstrike topic, that is utter nutter nonsense.

When you said "I think it warrants investigation," this means that you are supporting what the GOP was arguing to investigate: the fake bullshit that has long been exposed, and the made-up timeline about when Hunter was on the board, when "the corruption" was actually dealt with--everything they are claiming "needs investigating" doesn't, because they are inventing a timeline that never existed..and they are also tossing in the Alex Jones nutter nonsense, all in one soup. You are supporting their desire to investigate events that are proven to never have occurred.

I mention Hillary because this is the exact same tactic with endlessly investigating her for never having done a fucking thing...because it works on people that aren't interested in being informed on the facts of any of these issues. You are supporting the notion that because someone says a lie over and over and over again, there must be at least some truth to that. This is exactly what you are doing, and everyone knows it. And obviously you probably aren't aware of that. Everyone also knows that. This is exactly how the Big Lie works. This is old-school propaganda, and it is why a lifelong deployer of this tactic, Trump, has fit so well in the political party that has already spent decades priming their base with this very same tactic.

This is all exactly what is happening. ...I will agree that you are a victim of this kind of intentional disinformation game that has been targeted to exploit your base instincts, never challenging your higher brain functions, but I am certain that you see yourself as a victim of ...something else.

 

[UNCjigga]

And refusing a congressional subpoena can have legal repercussions. Why havent the Democrats pursued those?

Legit question (and not a personal attack)—is being horribly uninformed about the greatest political crisis in modern history a choice? Are you unable to source information from multiple sources, separate facts from opinions and correct for source bias to distill a truth? Or are you simply disinterested and couldn’t care less what actually happens (I.e. you choose to invest your time and brain power elsewhere because this doesn’t really matter to you)? Honestly trying to understand why you aren’t paying attention to the facts here.

 

[Jhhnn]

And allow the Republicans bring whatever witnesses they want.


The investigations were posted on post 252

Yeh, we'll be investigating everybody but Trump before it's over. They want to call Nellie Ohr because she worked for Fusion GPS back in 2016, as if she has anything to do with this. Because the server. They say Ukraine has it.

 

[dainthomas]

Same reason everyone else does. Get this over with so maybe congress can do what they were hired to do.

This House was hired specifically to hold the president accountable. They've also passed a lot of legislation that turtle tosses straight into the circular file.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

..I didn't bring up her server. The server in line two that I was referring to was the preposterous and thoroughly-debunked nonsense that Ukraine was "hosting a server" that was being used to support the Dems and sway the election toward Hillary in 2016--you know, this is actually what the GOP on the committee yesterday, and throughout this scandal, have been referring to as a legitimate avenue of investigation. This is the Cloudstrike topic, that is utter nutter nonsense.

When you said "I think it warrants investigation," this means that you are supporting what the GOP was arguing to investigate: the fake bullshit that has long been exposed, and the made-up timeline about when Hunter was on the board, when "the corruption" was actually dealt with--everything they are claiming "needs investigating" doesn't, because they are inventing a timeline that never existed..and they are also tossing in the Alex Jones nutter nonsense, all in one soup. You are supporting their desire to investigate events that are proven to never have occurred.

I mention Hillary because this is the exact same tactic with endlessly investigating her for never having done a fucking thing...because it works on people that aren't interested in being informed on the facts of any of these issues. You are supporting the notion that because someone says a lie over and over and over again, there must be at least some truth to that. This is exactly what you are doing, and everyone knows it. And obviously you probably aren't aware of that. Everyone also knows that. This is exactly how the Big Lie works. This is old-school propaganda, and it is why a lifelong deployer of this tactic, Trump, has fit so well in the political party that has already spent decades priming their base with this very same tactic.

This is all exactly what is happening. ...I will agree that you are a victim of this kind of intentional disinformation game that has been targeted to exploit your base instincts, never challenging your higher brain functions, but I am certain that you see yourself as a victim of ...something else.

This really needs to be quoted over and over again for people to read. There are literal events being fabricated by specific individuals then repeated over and over until they somehow manifest their own reality. Like the tail wagging the dog except the dog never existed and the tail was stitched together from some other animal.

It's provable nonsense, cite-able, repeatedly. You can claim it's a thing a thousand million times, it still will not be fact, and there still won't be a 'Thing' to investigate.

 

[zinfamous]

Same reason everyone else does. Get this over with so maybe congress can do what they were hired to do.

Congress is doing their job. This is explicitly required of them in the Constitution to deal with criminal behavior at the executive level.

This should have started midway through 2017, of course, but then you don't care about that. At least you now have the opportunity to see the facts of all of these issues, whereas GOP control kept you blissfully blind of what has been going on in this WH. That is an indisputable matter of fact.

You want an investigation--and that is what this is. It seems that you don't understand how investigations work.

 

[SMOGZINN]

And refusing a congressional subpoena can have legal repercussions. Why havent the Democrats pursued those?

They have, it will just take years for those legal repercussions to be finalized in the courts.

 

[fskimospy]

They have, it will just take years for those legal repercussions to be finalized in the courts.

Also ignoring a subpoena to defend Trump has no legal consequences because the DOJ will not enforce it.

Not sure why people keep conveniently forgetting that the DOJ is no longer an independent law enforcement entity.