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[DHT]Osiris

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You mean, except for the millions of federal employees and contractors who wouldn't be getting paid, right?
Been there, done that. Maybe a mass exodus of federal employees will finally bring about that deficit cut I've been hearing about for decades.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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How nice for you to be able to play games with people's lives like that.
Oh hop off your high horse, I've personally been through funding freezes as a mil contractor. I don't realistically want that to happen, just slinging shit on the internet.
 

HomerJS

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So Trump just brought up his son Barron during his rally last night and in an actually disparaging way, unlike what the witness during the impeachment hearing did.

Surely Starbuck and conservatives here will be rushing to condemn Trump for this.
He didn't call him his son, he called him Baron. Not the first time Trump has made that faux pas
 

IronWing

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Been there, done that. Maybe a mass exodus of federal employees will finally bring about that deficit cut I've been hearing about for decades.
The bill that ended the last shutdown included a provision that says federal employees will get paid (eventually) for time lost during all future shutdowns. The contractors will still be screwed (and seek to be made whole). Shutdowns cost the taxpayers money.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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The bill that ended the last shutdown included a provision that says federal employees will get paid (eventually) for time lost during all future shutdowns. The contractors will still be screwed (and seek to be made whole). Shutdowns cost the taxpayers money.
I was more speaking if they all just up and leave, which would happen if we were entering a truly extended shutdown. 90% of those federal employees can't go 6mo without pay.
 

ewdotson

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Oh hop off your high horse, I've personally been through funding freezes as a mil contractor. I don't realistically want that to happen, just slinging shit on the internet.
Fair enough on the whole slinging shit on the internet thing. Suffice it to say though, you can probably make a pretty good stab at what I do for a living. I wasn't up on my high horse for the sake of being on a high horse.
 

Bitek

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1-4 are bs... He was elected by the process we have in place.

His approval ratings are increasing and exceed the 40% you claim. Going into the vote last night the polls show the majority of Americans opposed impeachment. I was reading that we currently have longest economic expansiob in history. Americans have it good right now and they know it.

At the end of the day the left has absolutely nothing... So much so they looked to impeachment as a hollow victory to take back home with them. Technically it "something".

There will be no conviction. Trump with win big in '20 and they will try to impeach him again. I joke that he will be impeached at least twice... Maybe that isn't funny?

Lol. You say it both BS and true to the system we have. Which is it?

It's a fact he's the most consistently unpopular president in history.
It's a fact he lost the popular vote and had never had majority support.

What's BS is our system that counts acreage more than people, so that a voter in WY counts 11 times more than a CA in the electoral college.
But it is the bs system we have, so it is what it is.

Lastly, I am amused you had to "read" how we've had this record long expansion.

Did you happen to read when it started? Anything about how in 2009 Obama, Pelosi and Schumer stabilized the wreckage of the economy from the last GOP president and worked past the obstructive efforts of Rs in the Congress to set up this decade long expansion?

Anything how the deficit under Obama dropped precipitously after the profligate Bush years, but how Trump and the Rs have blown up the deficit again to over a trillion dollars a year, the highest ever in a peace time economy?

Anything how the irresponsible tax cuts for billionaires Trump passed had been the ONLY meaningful thing he's passed, yet the job creation and GDP growth is LOWER than Obama's despite the billions of dollars he's wasting?

So what's Trump's real record, other than being the most criminal and corrupt president in modern history?

It's he's a loser of a president who had only gotten anywhere by riding the successes of others, just like he was a three time bankrupt businessman, and his only real talent is for lying and getting fools to believe it.

We'll find out in 20 how many are smart enough to figure that out.
 
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Zivic

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Ahahahahahaha!

More feels from triggered righties! Thanks for the laugh guy. You really showed me who has the command of the facts!

Enjoy your vodka.
Triggered? Laughable.

I'm not. Im pointing out this forum is an echo chamber.

The Dems don't have a candidate capable of running against Trump. If you think mr sit on my lap and play with my hairy legs is going to beat Trump, good luck.

The left has banked getting anyone and everyone to hate Trump that they will vote for whoever they put up against him.

Look at money raised for each party in the last couple months since the impeachment started.

The left? ... Crickets

The right? ... Millions are being raised.

Impeachment hasnt given Dems anti partisanship against Trump. It has turned the exact voters the left needs to beat Trump away from voting democrat. The people that hate Trump, hate Trump and aren't voting for him regardless of impeachment. The left needs the moderates if they stand any chance. Those voters aren't likely voting democrat...

They look at a great economy, that's enough for most people.

If you think I'm triggered you're being naive to what's really going on. It's comical to see these replies here that somehow this impeachment was a good thing for the left... I tend to believe those that say it only strengthened Trump's reelection. Time will tell how voters look at it. How history will look at it....

That said, I believe it very telling that there was a bipartisan vote of no...

You're welcome to have your thoughts and chance to prove it at the ballot box next yr.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Fair enough on the whole slinging shit on the internet thing. Suffice it to say though, you can probably make a pretty good stab at what I do for a living. I wasn't up on my high horse for the sake of being on a high horse.
Yeah I can imagine. I've gotten downright sick of the govt using funding, and subsequently federal employees livelihoods as a pawn in some idiotic version of 4d chess, so at this point I'd be thrilled if the powers that be said 'fuck it, we're not funding the government until 2020, you get two more paychecks, everyone go get another job' and watch the govt just slide into chaos for a while. It'd be a proper comeuppance for the garbage fire that's been the last decade or two, and more specifically the last three years.
 

Zivic

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Lol. You say it both BS and true to the system we have. Which is it?

It's a fact he's the most consistently unpopular president in history.
It's a fact he lost the popular vote and had never had majority support.

What's BS is our system that counts acreage more than people, so that a voter in WY counts 11 times more than a CA in the electoral college.
But it is the bs system we have, so it is what it is.

Lastly, I am amused you had to "read" how we've had this record long expansion.

Did you happen to read when it started? Anything about how in 2009 Obama, Pelosi and Schumer stabilized the wreckage of the economy from the last GOP president and worked past the obstructive efforts of Rs in the Congress to set up this decade long expansion?

Anything how the deficit under Obama dropped precipitously after the profligate Bush years, but how Trump and the Rs have blown up the deficit again to over a trillion dollars a year, the highest ever in a peace time economy?

Anything how theb responsible tax cuts for billionaires Trump passed had been the ONLY meaningful thing he's passed, yet the job creation and GDP growth is LOWER than Obama's despite the billions of dollars he's wasting?

So what's Trump's real record, other than being the most criminal and corrupt president in modern history?

It's he's a loser of a president who had only gotten anywhere by riding the successes of others, just like he was a three time bankrupt businessman, and his only real talent is for lying and getting fools to believe it.

We'll find out in 20 how many are smart enough to figure that out.
When I say bs, I mean to have an argument about popular vote about the '16 election and it somehow being relavent is not worth having.

You can have your thoughts on the economy... Maybe they have some basis in reality. What you fail to see is that the person currently sitting in office gets the credit.

As it stands today, Trump is on course for a historic level victory in 2020. Maybe the Dems pull a rabbit out of a hat with some unknown candidate, but I believe they have exposed their cards and they got nothing
 

[DHT]Osiris

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You can have your thoughts on the economy... Maybe they have some basis in reality. What you fail to see is that the person currently sitting in office gets the credit.
Trump has kept the economy afloat by sacrificing what methods we normally have to recover the economy in the event of a downturn, to keep his poll numbers up. The economy practically speaking a paper tiger, and it's likely to spontaneously combust soon.

The real fun starts when that happens, since we don't have most of our ammunition for recovery available. Of course by then a Democrat will be in office so it'll be his failing.
 

Zivic

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It isn’t funny when the president doesn’t believe there are any limits on his powers and he continues to act in more and more extreme ways while members of his own party who would lose their shit if a Democrat did the same things continue to defend and allow him to continue.
Like this?

 

K1052

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As it stands today, Trump is on course for a historic level victory in 2020.

This is entirely unsupported by any facts available today and is just an emotional statement. Reminds me of the claim he makes that he had an amazing EC vote margin when it is actually in the bottom 1/3rd of margins.
 

Zivic

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Trump has kept the economy afloat by sacrificing what methods we normally have to recover the economy in the event of a downturn, to keep his poll numbers up. The economy practically speaking a paper tiger, and it's likely to spontaneously combust soon.

The real fun starts when that happens, since we don't have most of our ammunition for recovery available. Of course by then a Democrat will be in office so it'll be his failing.
Time will tell.

Can I ask your thoughts on places like Michigan and Cali that have had decades of democratic government? A person could look at those places and extrapolate how that would play out on a federal level
 

ewdotson

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Like this?

Oh, dear God. How many times does that have to be explained? Biden was acting in accordance with the official policy of the United States as well as it's allies. Everyone (including Congressional Republicans) wanted Shokin removed because he *wasn't* prosecuting corruption. It's not at all comparable.
 

IronWing

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Time will tell.

Can I ask your thoughts on places like Michigan and Cali that have had decades of democratic government? A person could look at those places and extrapolate how that would play out on a federal level
California? The most successful state in the Union by any economic measure, that California? Bring it on!
 

Zivic

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This is entirely unsupported by any facts available today and is just an emotional statement. Reminds me of the claim he makes that he had an amazing EC vote margin when it is actually in the bottom 1/3rd of margins.
I would base it on donations to the party.
-A bipartisan no vote on impeachment. One of those Dem votes coming from MN.. a state that even Reagan didn't win.
-Record economic numbers
-poor democratic candidates that have left any moderate voter out to dry.

The left isnt increasing their base. They preach to the same group. If they stand a chance, they need to appeal to the moderate, to the undecided voter. With the investigations, impeachment and all the far left talk at debates, that isn't happening.

Again, this forum is an echo chamber for the left. Come here, find a bunch of people that agree with you, feel good about yourself and have a naive view that this is what the majority of people agree with it.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Time will tell.

Can I ask your thoughts on places like Michigan and Cali that have had decades of democratic government? A person could look at those places and extrapolate how that would play out on a federal level
Not really. The demographics and local policies of a given location aren't indicative of anything at the federal level. Places like the rust belt and SF have their own issues, unrelated to who's in power. Please also remember that CA had a Republican governor for close to a decade.

Any issues within Michigan or California cannot be used as a barometer of the Democratic party, that's as ridiculous as saying that failings within Alabama or South Carolina are indicative of the Republican party.

WRT time will tell: the powers that be are already prepping for the next economic collapse. It is going to happen, it's a matter of when, not if.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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If they stand a chance, they need to appeal to the moderate, to the undecided voter.
There are no undecided voters anymore. Right now, in this current climate, there's Trump supporters and everyone else. Nobody's going to not vote because they aren't 'sure' about a candidate to pick. Trump's too damned polarizing to be approachable by anyone except Trump supporters.
 

Zivic

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There are no undecided voters anymore. Right now, in this current climate, there's Trump supporters and everyone else. Nobody's going to not vote because they aren't 'sure' about a candidate to pick. Trump's too damned polarizing to be approachable by anyone except Trump supporters.
I make the argument, there were people in the middle. They were likely leaning left, but now they lean right. You are absolutely wrong if you believe your last sentence