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[[DHT]Osiris]

Wealth disparity?
Homeless?
Govt debt?

1) Rich state that caters to homeless, thus there is a large population of homeless in the state. SF has its own issues, related to local zoning policies which massively drive up the housing market there to irrational levels.
2) see above
3) Define? CA brings in more money than it gets from the Govt, by a fair margin.

Does California give more than it gets from D.C.?

Does California send more money to Washington D.C. than it gets back in return? That question has been asked repeatedly

www.politifact.com

EDIT: And one more note, it brings in more per person than all but 10 other states, and that's WITH 130,000 homeless it's taking care of, a quarter of the national total. It'd be much higher on that list if it wasn't, but good on them for doing what's right.

 

[Zivic]

WRT time will tell: the powers that be are already prepping for the next economic collapse. It is going to happen, it's a matter of when, not if.

This I agree with. You ride the waves and hope the downswing isnt too hard

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You are absolutely wrong if you believe your last sentence

Sheer lunacy to even suggest that he's someone an 'on the fencer' might go back and forth on. If you can support a president that's been impeached for high crimes, among all the other shit he's done, you're just a trump supporter, not on the fence.

Nobody on the fence supports a president who's made fun of dead people and mentally handicapped people. Nobody.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

She didn't mention "premature delivery"

That is what is known as a pun

I'll abide by her judgement, in any case

Yes, you will but it's not like there's a choice. She is taking the same action that others suggested which you argued against so logically she's wrong too, but you have no choice in the matter.

Mitch said he wasn't in any hurry. If he never receives the writ it would be fine by him.

Mitch wanted this ASAP to declare acquittal and victory. The GOP is going mad right now because as I suggested they aren't getting that chance, at least for now.

At this time Nancy is wholly opposed to your stated position and that's OK.

 

[dank69]

This I agree with. You ride the waves and hope the downswing isnt too hard

Too bad your god-emperor has exhausted many of the tools we used to spur recovery after the last recession.

 

[purbeast0]

TIL: I was impeached.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1207508280207011841

 

[fskimospy]

When I say bs, I mean to have an argument about popular vote about the '16 election and it somehow being relavent is not worth having.

You can have your thoughts on the economy... Maybe they have some basis in reality. What you fail to see is that the person currently sitting in office gets the credit.

As it stands today, Trump is on course for a historic level victory in 2020. Maybe the Dems pull a rabbit out of a hat with some unknown candidate, but I believe they have exposed their cards and they got nothing

If that's the case why is Trump so enduringly unpopular?

 

[K1052]

I would base it on donations to the party.
-A bipartisan no vote on impeachment. One of those Dem votes coming from MN.. a state that even Reagan didn't win.
-Record economic numbers
-poor democratic candidates that have left any moderate voter out to dry.

The left isnt increasing their base. They preach to the same group. If they stand a chance, they need to appeal to the moderate, to the undecided voter. With the investigations, impeachment and all the far left talk at debates, that isn't happening.

Again, this forum is an echo chamber for the left. Come here, find a bunch of people that agree with you, feel good about yourself and have a naive view that this is what the majority of people agree with it.

I mean find me some consistent polling that indicates a Trump/GOP historic win. There really isn't any that's reputable.

The odds of taking back the house alone shrink by the day with the 20 plus and growing GOP retirements. Dem congressional advantage seems to be hovering around D+7.

Trump might indeed win in 20 but there is literally no empirical evidence supporting a wide margin. It's likely to be another slim win if it happens.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

20 plus and growing GOP retirements.

I'm actually super excited about this. You're going to have a field of relative unknown (or at least inexperienced) republicans running for senate next cycle. Anyone that actually cares about who they vote for rather than straight R ticket is likely to give a pass.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Wealth disparity?
Homeless?
Govt debt?

So, any comment to the above? Or are you another one of those posters that has a whole lot to say until being presented with facts and citations, whereupon you mysteriously disappear/have something better to do until another day or two passes when you try to spin the propaganda wind-up-toy again?

 

[NWRMidnight]

1-4 are bs... He was elected by the process we have in place.

His approval ratings are increasing and exceed the 40% you claim. Going into the vote last night the polls show the majority of Americans opposed impeachment. I was reading that we currently have longest economic expansiob in history. Americans have it good right now and they know it.

At the end of the day the left has absolutely nothing... So much so they looked to impeachment as a hollow victory to take back home with them. Technically it "something".

There will be no conviction. Trump with win big in '20 and they will try to impeach him again. I joke that he will be impeached at least twice... Maybe that isn't funny?

Are you talking about our artificial good economy? In a good economy, feds do not lower interest rates, with talk of lowing them into the negative. Second, in a good economy and a legitimate rising stock market, feds don't need to inject $74 billion into the markets. I guess our good economy is why creditcard debt has risen under Trump.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Are you talking about our artificial good economy? In a good economy, feds do not lower interest rates, with talk of lowing them into the negative. Second, in a good economy and a legitimate rising stock market, feds don't need to inject $74 billion into the markets.

The surest sign that our current market is a fabrication: the impeachment has had zero effect on it.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is what is known as a pun




Yes, you will but it's not like there's a choice. She is taking the same action that others suggested which you argued against so logically she's wrong too, but you have no choice in the matter.



Mitch wanted this ASAP to declare acquittal and victory. The GOP is going mad right now because as I suggested they aren't getting that chance, at least for now.

At this time Nancy is wholly opposed to your stated position and that's OK.

She hasn't taken any position just yet. From your link, Mitch said he's in no hurry. I figure Pelosi will let it simmer over the holidays, see if Mitch can be pressured into non-sham proceedings. I doubt that he can be. There's nothing in it for him. It's like Garland. "I have the Power. Fuck you, Libtards."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

She's not just going hand things over. Thats a position. Why? Because there's no fair trial. She can change her mind but there is no surrendering at this time.

 

[Jhhnn]

She's not just going hand things over. Thats a position. Why? Because there's no fair trial. She can change her mind but there is no surrendering at this time.

I doubt she'll dawdle after the holidays. Where's the upside?

 

[zinfamous]

The surest sign that our current market is a fabrication: the impeachment has had zero effect on it.

The DOW is up and tech is way up today, though!

 

[VRAMdemon]

one issue with this insane statement, is claiming that Jesus was "falsely accused" of Treason. That's fucking horseshit. It was absolute treason. In the Roman Empire, the Emperor is god. (or perhaps more like the Pope, but more better...)

Jesus' crime of claiming to be God, and the son of God, and to speak for God, and all that convoluted jibber-jabber, was absolute treason as defined by Roman law. There is no false accusation, it was very much a high crime--WHICH IS THE FUCKING POINT OF JESUS.

Fucking Christ: Republicans are the most ignorant, illiterate, pretenders to everything they claim to hold dear.

Really, it's becoming clear that Republicans are simply too overemotional to be entrusted with positions of authority:

Republicans compared the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump to the Salem Witch Trials, the Pearl Harbor attack, and the crucifixion of Jesus.

Personally, I would go so far as to compare it with the tulip bulb bubble of 1636 ; the dancing plague of 1518 France and the Second Opium War. It's that serious, as am I as a commentator and I demand to be taken as such.

When I saw the clip of a congressman comparing the impeachment to Pearl Harbor, I found myself thinking how the dead sailors on the Arizona are all giving him the middle finger from the afterlife for making such a disrespectful comparison. Respect for the military, my ass.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Here's another good one:

Conservative radio show canceled after one of the hosts says the impeachment debate was boring and he wished for a nice school shooting.

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/1...shooting-knus/

It's not like they've ever had a notable school shooting in Colorado, or anything.

One can only imagine co-host Julie Hayden's off-air reaction to Chuck's comment and the cancellation, given her on-air "Don't say that! We didn't say that!" response. I'm guessing it was...colorful.

 

[Jhhnn]

The DOW is up and tech is way up today, though!

The markets are currently operating on the greater fool theory.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Apparently Nancy doesn't agree with you.

Pelosi isn't going to commit to passing control to the Senate.
She seems to be concerned about premature delivery and seeks to do her duty well.

Knowing that Senate Republicans will exonerate, She is giving more of them time to come out and openly admit that they won't convict regardless of any evidence presented. The clearer it is that Republicans are corrupt, the better.

Given the fact that there's national ambivalence over impeachment, this lowers impeachment's profile until such time that it's worth taking up again..i.e. something changes the calculus to make it more likely that the Senate GOP would have to take a trial more seriously. OTOH, Pelosi has probably gone a long way toward satisfying the more outspoken members of her party in the House - she gave them their impeachment. And now it's as clear as day that Mitch McConnell has no intentions of taking it seriously at this time, which is something we've known for a while - certainly something Pelosi has known for a while. Impeachment's profile gets lowered and they can focus on other issues more important to voters and look less like they're going on offense.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I doubt she'll dawdle after the holidays. Where's the upside?

Defending the Constitution is an upside as not allowing Trump to be vindicated in a farce court of defenders not interested in upholding the Constitution and indeed boasting to that effect. A trial is the victory that will not harm Trump, no far from it. "VINDICATED" will be the cry. Now about those Democrats- The results confirm they are unfit to serve, yada yada yada. We have an energized following unseen since Trump's pre-election peek.

Preventing that is the point and the upside. One more thing, Nancy NEVER dawdles. She may delay and calculate but never dawdle.

But she's made her position clear on the farce of a trial. Graham can scream all he wants and likely yes, Mitch will be glad to never have to deal with this again. I don't care about that. I care about the substance at the heart of our reality, something too many would toss under the bus.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Also..by holding the articles it leave the option of adding more articles if they so choose. MoscowMitch has already said he has no intention of being impartial and is in fact coordinating with the WH - what is to prevent Pelosi and Co from adding a third article of impeachment for, say... jury tampering. It's another perfect example of high crimes and misdemeanors. Whether it would accomplish anything, though, is the question.

Perhaps Pelosi is settling in to wait for the pending court decisions on Trump's taxes, Deutsche bank records on his Russian money laundering and Russian loans and various pending subpoenas for documents and witnesses.

Pelosi simply cannot send this to the Senate. That's a guaranteed loss. The GOP stayed true to Trump, and they always will, so this gambit just isn't working. There is no reason whatsoever to believe Trump has lost support, so the only thing she can do is keep the investigations going and hope something comes out that will shake his support. Or.. pray he screws up so badly and that so many people get infuriated to the point where the Republicans drop Trump like a hot potato and fight for their own political survival.

 

[Zivic]

If that's the case why is Trump so enduringly unpopular?

In this forum or amongst all of Americans?

 

[fskimospy]

In this forum or amongst all of Americans?

Amongst all Americans. It appears likely that by the end of his first term he will have the lowest average approval rating of any president in history and will be the only one to never crack 50% in polling averages.

Not only that but he also has the widest gap in ‘strongly disapprove’ vs. ‘strongly approve’ so not only is he widely disliked, the intensity of the dislike is historically strong.

This shouldn’t be news to anyone who isn’t in a conservative media bubble though, Trump’s unpopularity is widely known.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

In this forum or amongst all of Americans?

Welcome back! Any comment regarding the responses to your baseless accusations/allusions about some of our more left-leaning states in the union?